Laughable Ontario Liberals - Wynne calls inquiry too expensive

[MiddleClassCentrist]

http://news.national...-too-expensive/

Seriously? Toss a few million here, a billion there. Write off a few billion in late corporate taxes instead of collecting them...

But. Too expensive to figure out if, and how badly they threw tax payer money around on a whim to win 2 seats?

Edited February 1, 2013 by MiddleClassCentrist

[Topaz]

Well, Hudak agrees with her. This maybe make politician think three times, before they try to please some in their party ridings.

[Boges]

Make no mistake, the opposition will be right back at embarrassing the government daily over this when QP sits again.

The Tories have a contempt motion in on the Energy minister.

Public Inquiries are expensive and rarely provide any satisfaction to the wronged parties involved. That being said it is fresh coming from the Liberals that they don't want to waste money.

[Keepitsimple]

As Hudak says - don't blow millions on an inquiry - use the committee process where MP's are already being paid to do the job. An inquiry doesn't give an answer for years. Yes, the Liberals "want to move forward". Sorry boys and girls - corruption and incompetence on this scale cannot be swept aside with a pro-roguation or a new leader.

The Ornge, Gas Plant and Green Energy fiascos have not even started to be peeled back.

With Ornge, Alfred Apps was the legal architect behind the Business Structure of Ornge when he was with Fasken Martineau. It has been reported that he regularly ignored Orgne's own government affairs person to speak directly to McGuinty and his inner circle. He was also President of the federal Liberal Party. He has since resigned from Fasken Martineau. It'll come out eventually.....

[PIK]

And waht other scandals have yet to come out.

[Boges]

And waht other scandals have yet to come out.

Few people talk about the failure that the OLG modernization plan is. Wynne has said she'll re access the plan that wants slot machines everywhere and large American run casinos in communities that don't necessarily want it.

[Michael Hardner]

Few people talk about eHealth. What is it ? How much have they spent and what has been produced ?

[Boges]

Few people talk about eHealth. What is it ? How much have they spent and what has been produced ?

It goes back to the days Furious George was Health Minister. Ontario is trying to go to all digital health records. We still don't have it billions of dollars later. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ontario-tories-would-scrap-ehealth-but-still-develop-electronic-medical-records/article7964329/

Edited February 6, 2013 by Boges

[jacee]

It goes back to the days Furious George was Health Minister. Ontario is trying to go to all digital health records. We still don't have it billions of dollars later. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ontario-tories-would-scrap-ehealth-but-still-develop-electronic-medical-records/article7964329/

Ehealth is here, at least where I live. Give them your card, they have your health records.

And I'll tell you why it's important.

10+ years ago, an elderly relative had a health emergency. Once in emergency, his distraught wife was asked many many questions about his health history, allergies, etc. In her emotional state, she forgot one allergy. They gave him that medication, and he went into cardiac arrest.

They were able to revive him, and deal with the presenting problem ... but ...

That's one problem that Ehealth addresses.

Another is quickly knowing the history of treatment for a presenting problem, and not retracing steps.

It's absolutely necessary, and saves healthcare time and money in the long run, providing more efficient and effective patient care.

That's not to say there haven't been screw ups in the development of Ehealth computer systems. If you've ever started developing software with one developer then had to switch to another, you know ... They all want to start from scratch and do it differently. Programmers are very averse to dealing with someone else's 'code'.

And they're not very good at predicting time required, and thus estimates balloon, sometimes also because the client has to add 'functionality' requirements that were overlooked, or not anticipated ... and sometimes that also takes you back to square one.

Does that help Michael?

ETA Can't read Globe or Sun links due to paywall.

Edited February 6, 2013 by jacee

[jacee]

Few people talk about the failure that the OLG modernization plan is. Wynne has said she'll re access the plan that wants slot machines everywhere and large American run casinos in communities that don't necessarily want it.

Not sure how it's a failure when it isn't over yet.

But ya, targetting urban core's has its drawbacks.

However, no one's forcing it on "communities that don't want it". Councillors can vote No, and can also determine location.

It's a hot issue right now, but it's not over yet.

Community consultation is critical. It doesn't take a public inquiry to know that lack of same caused the gas plant fiasco.

And frankly, community consultation about casinos is more important than Kathleen Wynne's personal opinions about gambling too.

Edited February 6, 2013 by jacee

[Boges]

Not sure how it's a failure when it isn't over yet.

But ya, targetting urban core's has its drawbacks.

However, no one's forcing it on "communities that don't want it". Councillors can vote No, and can also determine location.

It's a hot issue right now, but it's not over yet.

Not true. A bill was before the house saying that you could have a referendum before putting a Casino in but Dalton shut the Legislature down. Multiple communities have said they'd be interested in expanding existing racetracks to full-scale casinos but the OLG wants big flashy new US-run casinos to compete with the racetracks.

[jacee]

Not true. A bill was before the house saying that you could have a referendum before putting a Casino in but Dalton shut the Legislature down. Multiple communities have said they'd be interested in expanding existing racetracks to full-scale casinos but the OLG wants big flashy new US-run casinos to compete with the racetracks.

I'm not big on referenda- Often just votes by the uninformed. We're having information-input meetings that have been very informative.

Eg, In Hamilton the horseracing industry contributes more revenues to the city than a casino will. That's in taxes on horse farms and other related businesses as well as the track. However, the track isn't profitable without the slots revenues.

If the casino goes downtown and the track closes, we'll lose money.

Edited February 6, 2013 by jacee

[Boges]

I'm not big on referenda- Often just votes by the uninformed. We're having information-input meetings that have been very informative.

Well those meetings only include people that have vested interests.

They meetings have had American Casino Companies lying to people about job creation and Liberals that say a Casino will ruin the community.

Edited February 6, 2013 by Boges

[jacee]

Well those meetings only include people that have vested interests.

Well, no. Anyone can go.

They meetings have had American Casino Companies lying to people about job creation and Liberals that say a Casino will ruin the community.

Haven't been to one like that.

[Boges]

Anyone can go. But only someone with a vested interest in having a casino or not would show up.

But that's besides the point. The OLG is trying to bully communities into getting these big box casinos that'll probably end up costing the province jobs, not create them.