betsy Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 (edited) Sharkman's response indicated that he thinks it is perfectly normal for a Bible class to be teaching students that black people are the descendents of Noah's cursed son. Once again, I'm curious to know if that view is officially supported in the Bible (in which case Sharkman is correct) or if it's an interpretation of the Noah story that's not specified in the Bible (in which case Sharkman is incorrect.) -k They're descendants of Cush, not Canaan. Edited January 28, 2013 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 Well, you just knew that Texas would lead the way back to the stone age, with their ramped up emphasis on "Christian" education. Some of the highlights from the Texas Freedom Network reporton religious teaching coming in to public and charter schools in Texas: Instructional material in two school districts teach that racial diversity today can be traced back to Noah’s sons, a long-discredited claim that has been a foundational component of some forms of racism. Religious bias is common, with most courses taught from a Protestant — often a conservative Protestant — perspective. One course, for example, assumes Christians will at some point be “raptured.” Materials include a Venn diagram showing the pros and cons of theories that posit the rapture before the returning Jesus’ 1,000-year reign and those that place it afterward. In many courses, the perspectives of Roman Catholics, Orthodox Christians and Jews are often left out. Anti-Jewish bias — intentional or not — is not uncommon. Some courses even portray Judaism as a flawed and incomplete religion that has been replaced by Christianity. Many courses suggest or openly claim that the Bible is literally true. “The Bible is the written word of God,” students are told in one PowerPoint presentation. Some courses go so far as to suggest that the Bible can be used to verify events in history. One district, for example, teaches students that the Bible’s historical claims are largely beyond question by listing biblical events side by side with historical developments from around the globe. Course materials in numerous classes are designed to evangelize rather than provide an objective study of the Bible’s influence. A book in one district makes its purpose clear in the preface: “May this study be of value to you. May you fully come to believe that ‘Jesus is the Christ, the son of God.’ And may you have ‘life in His name.’” A number of courses teach students that the Bible proves Earth is just 6,000 years old. Students are taught that the United States is a Christian nation founded on the Christian biblical principles taught in their classrooms. Academic rigor is so poor that many courses rely mostly on memorization of Bible verses and factoids from Bible stories rather than teaching students how to analyze what they are studying. One district relies heavily on Bible cartoons from Hanna-Barbera for its high school class. Students in another district spend two days watching what lesson plans describe a “the historic documentary Ancient Aliens,” which presents “a new interpretation of angelic beings described as extraterrestrials.” If we take a closer look at that first point about using the Old Testament version of racial origins, this chart from one of the education guides is on page 22 of the abridged report: http://www.tfn.org/s....pdf?docID=3422 ================================================================ I'm old enough to recall when I was young that Southern political and religious advocates of racial segregation used to pull that one about blacks being descendents from Noah's cursed son - Ham, as the reason why race-mixing couldn't be allowed. Are today's Texans smart enough to leave that one in the past? Or is what's old, new again? They're talking BIBLE CLASS! What do you expect? Political correctness? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 (edited) WIPReligious bias is common, with most courses taught from a Protestant — often a conservative Protestant — perspective. One course, for example, assumes Christians will at some point be “raptured.” Materials include a Venn diagram showing the pros and cons of theories that posit the rapture before the returning Jesus’ 1,000-year reign and those that place it afterward. In many courses, the perspectives of Roman Catholics, Orthodox Christians and Jews are often left out. So some believe in the actual rapture. I think I do, too....though still unsure about it. Anyway, it doesn't matter to me however it goes... What, you're pushing for all-inclusivity? Even when it's plainly written in the Book that definitely, it won't be an all-inclusive cruise to eternal life? The only sad part in this is the splintering of Christians into different denominations. We should all be as one. Edited January 28, 2013 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 WIPI'm old enough to recall when I was young that Southern political and religious advocates of racial segregation used to pull that one about blacks being descendents from Noah's cursed son - Ham, as the reason why race-mixing couldn't be allowed. Are today's Texans smart enough to leave that one in the past? Or is what's old, new again? Well now you know they got it wrong.....or do you think it possible, that perhaps - in all your excitement and hyperventilating - it was you who actually misunderstood? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 (edited) They're descendants of Cush, not Canaan. We are all descendants of people who evolved in Africa and left about 60,000 years ago. Any description from holy books about how people evolved (eg. blacks evolving from someone other than the same ancestors we evolved from) is simply mythical nonsense. Anyone who believes that we are not one species, regardless of biological traits, is a complete imbicile. Edit: this chart might be out of date. There is evidence that North America was populated much sooner than the diagram claims. (25,000 years ago) Edited January 29, 2013 by The_Squid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Manny Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 We are all descendants of people who evolved in Africa and left about 60,000 years ago. Any description from holy books about how people evolved (eg. blacks evolving from someone other than the same ancestors we evolved from) is simply mythical nonsense. Sorry but you're way off. 60,000 years? Impossible. You must have a lot of faith in evolution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 That may be out of date as well.... It may have been as early as 80,000 years ago.... Why is that impossible? http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/human-migration.html?device=ipad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Manny Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Why is that impossible? The number seems too low to allow time for diversity of the population to occur. According to science, migrations into different geographical regions caused changes in skin colour and average height. Earliest migrations of humans out of Africa began about 1-2 million years ago.Then again it depends on what you call "human". There is differing opinion on the migration of Homo Sapiens. Some consensus around 200,000 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 The number seems too low to allow time for diversity of the population to occur. According to science, migrations into different geographical regions caused changes in skin colour and average height. Earliest migrations of humans out of Africa began about 1-2 million years ago. Then again it depends on what you call "human". There is differing opinion on the migration of Homo Sapiens. Some consensus around 200,000 years ago. Homo sapiens evolved into a species about 200k years ago. We didn't leave Africa until 80k years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Manny Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Homo sapiens evolved into a species about 200k years ago. We didn't leave Africa until 80k years ago. Perhaps. I wont argue it. On the other hand- Modern humans, Homo sapiens, evolved in Africa up to 200,000 years ago and reached the Near East around 125,000 years ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_human_migrations But other information shows vastly different numbers, by almost a factor of 3. "Science"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Fair enough... Lots of conjecture and speculation that changes whenever new discoveries are made. Science!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Homo sapiens evolved into a species about 200k years ago. We didn't leave Africa until 80k years ago. No....this is not certain. Such estimates based on the fossil record have consistently underestimated the age of each (multiple) migrations. Google it again in about 100 years..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Manny Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Fair enough... Lots of conjecture and speculation that changes whenever new discoveries are made. Science!! They keep changing their minds on stuff! Lots of fuel for fundamentalists to make fun of. I'll never forgive them for demoting Pluto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 No....this is not certain. Such estimates based on the fossil record have consistently underestimated the age of each (multiple) migrations. Google it again in about 100 years..... See my post above about new discoveries. Of course it is going to change... Science is not static. Obviously I am going to have to google it sooner since my information seems to be dated! Haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 They keep changing their minds on stuff! Lots of fuel for fundamentalists to make fun of. Science isn't sure of the timeline, so it must be that God done it and the earth is 6000 years old? Ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckistani Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 They're talking BIBLE CLASS! What do you expect? Political correctness? There should be no bible class in a public school - teach all religions or none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty AC Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 I'll never forgive them for demoting PlutoThat is one lovable ball of rock and ice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty AC Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 There should be no bible class in a public school - teach all religions or none.Are you suggesting we teach kids about alternate belief systems, before the indoctrination process is complete?! That could lead to an expanded world view and *gasp* questioning!! Kill the heretic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 They keep changing their minds on stuff! Because new discoveries are made all the time. If they did not change their views based on new evidence, then they would be about as stagnant as organized religion. Lots of fuel for fundamentalists to make fun of. As we have learned, you cannot reason with fundamentalists period. I'll never forgive them for demoting Pluto I don't think they are losing sleep over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 ....who even drinks in the nude? What's better than being pantsless with a cold beer on a hot day? Try it; you'll like it. And betsy will approve, since the Bible says it's okay! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Manny Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Because new discoveries are made all the time. If they did not change their views based on new evidence, then they would be about as stagnant as organized religion. <\sarcascm> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 <\sarcascm> There is no sarcasm in my statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Manny Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 There is no sarcasm in my statement. I meant me. You took my shot at science being a changeable thing seriously. I guess some people would be serious about it though. My sarcasm stems from real comments people made about science being muteable, inconsistent with its own views when they changed the classification of the former planet. I know why the astronomical society had to do it. It just bothers people to know what they thought was right one day, is considered wrong the next. that's part of the problem with what we "know" according to science, hey? ... </... somethin> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 I meant me. You took my shot at science being a changeable thing seriously. Without indicating that it is sarcasm, it's to be taken at face value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 We are all descendants of people who evolved in Africa and left about 60,000 years ago. Any description from holy books about how people evolved (eg. blacks evolving from someone other than the same ancestors we evolved from) is simply mythical nonsense. Anyone who believes that we are not one species, regardless of biological traits, is a complete imbicile. Edit: this chart might be out of date. There is evidence that North America was populated much sooner than the diagram claims. (25,000 years ago) Just because you think so doesn't mean it is so. Believe what you want to believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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