Argus Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Can you spell it out for us,plain and simple?What is Chief Spence's solution that will solve all the problems? Give her more money and don't pester her about what it's spent on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 What things ? Why do people have to start saying these things ? That these little bands are not nations, and will never be economically viable. That it's time to get over their history and merge with the greater community. That what remains of their culture is melting away under a constant influx of drugs, alcohol and the listless behaviour of welfare dependency. And that it's not all the white man's fault. They need to start taking responsibility for their own actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 I have always watched the cbc, but the cheer leading over this issue has been awful, yes they broke this story but they had little choice, they couldn't sit on something this big, what if it had been leaked to ctv fter the cbc hadn't reported it and them not reporting it became news. How could them NOT reporting it become news ? It would be between them and the person who leaked it. And the government is their owner and master too, so let's not forget that. They have served them well this time around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 I think if you compared the amount of favourable and unfavourable coverage of this affair it would be heavily tilted in giving Chief Spence favourable coverage.Fair and honest reporting is in short supply these days.For weeks now in the rather left leaning Ottawa Citizen,it has been mostly sympathetic towards Spence. I went to this editorial from the Citizen that denounces her actions as not productive to the national dialogue: What does nation to nation mean, exactly? It’s perfectly valid for Spence to argue that First Nations never ceded sovereignty, and that she’s a leader entitled to speak for her nation’s citizens as Harper can speak for his. It’s valid for her to argue that, but not to demand, on pain of suicide, that Harper tacitly agree to that interpretation simply by meeting with her.Some aboriginal people don’t even consider themselves Canadians. Many do. Some want the government to honour their interpretation of the colonial relationship. Some would like to see that colonial relationship — and treaties that include such references as “the satisfaction of His Majesty with the behaviour and good conduct of His Indians” — relegated to history. There’s more than one way to view this problem, and more than one set of ideas about how to fix it. Yes, it would be good for the prime minister to treat the problem with the urgency it merits. A hunger strike doesn’t increase the likelihood that he’ll do that. It forces him, and everyone else affected by the strike, to make decisions guided by the ethics of dealing with a starving individual. Read more: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/threat+suicide/7753990/story.html#ixzz2HOxBPlO3 Finally,today I see an article detailing the horrible accounting done by band members.Virtually no details on how millions of dollars have been spent!Theresa Spence is in no way,shape or form,a victim here.I suspect that the Ottawa Citizen will be back to form tomorrow and the audit details will either be buried or not mentioned again. You seem to think that newspapers might choose to not report something like this audit. That would explain why you think covering this national story constitutes a left-leaning view. Speaking of details you should have another look at the audit - I just did and it`s helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 In today's Sun they highlight some of the questionable transactions. I don't know how anyone can see, what the audit revealed, as anything but fraud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 In today's Sun they highlight some of the questionable transactions. I don't know how anyone can see, what the audit revealed, as anything but fraud. And yet the government couldn't even prove mismanagement in court. Why do you think that is ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 I think if you compared the amount of favourable and unfavourable coverage of this affair it would be heavily tilted in giving Chief Spence favourable coverage. Do you have actual evidence to support this claim? I watch CBC every morning and often for a bit a night, too, and I've seen reports about Spence aired, all just direct reporting, without even intoned celebration. I wonder if you've confused "lack of direct, personal attack" with "fawning" and "favoritism". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunrutz Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 Do you have actual evidence to support this claim? I watch CBC every morning and often for a bit a night, too, and I've seen reports about Spence aired, all just direct reporting, without even intoned celebration. I wonder if you've confused "lack of direct, personal attack" with "fawning" and "favoritism". Well you could say compare it to the reporting done on sun news which when it was only them doing it they were maligned as racists and what not, all the while the cbc was telling us how weak she was getting and how serious this was, of course she hadnt lost an ounce of weight at that time, and now it turns out that hey, sun news had it pretty much right all along. But the cbc still isnt asking hard questions, they have been embarrassed by all of this and they still won't go to attawapiskat and talk to people, like global tried to do, though the chief had her police kick them out. There is no way you could look at the cbc's coverage crtically and not see bias, the national post had an article recently about a CBC story from last year, it showed that while now they ask for more donations the band didn't bother to open the care packages they were sent during the last crisis, that was a cbc report. Now you would think one could easily connect those dots and say hey, but what about last time, but no, the cbc didn't replay that report, and their moderators wouldn't let you even link to in the comments section. Yea, completely unbiased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 But the cbc still isnt asking hard questions... The CBC was first to release the audit. It also aired the very critical piece about Attawapiskat and Spence a year ago that you mention. It's difficult to ask tough questions of Spence when she won't take questions. Maybe Terry Milewski has a soft spot for Spence. That doesn't mean the CBC is intrinsically biased. [T]heir moderators wouldn't let you even link to in the comments section... And here come the conspiracy theories... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty AC Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 Spence will not attend the meeting with Harper on Friday because David Johnston will not be there. I have now lost interest in her cause. http://www.cbc.ca/ne...ng.html?cmp=rss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 (edited) That's hilarious!!! "We have sent a letter to Buckingham Palace and requesting that Queen Elizabeth II send forth her representative, which is the Governor General of Canada," She does know the PM appoints the GG? The GG doesn't make policy regarding FN issues. Either she's a complete moron, which is possible if not likely, or she's embarrassed now that the mismanagement on her reserve has been made public. What would be even more hilarious is if she continued her laughable fake hunger strike. Edited January 9, 2013 by Boges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 (edited) She does know the PM appoints the GG? She'd be wrong if she did. The GG doesn't make policy regarding FN issues. That is correct. The governor general (and monarch) must remain apolitical. If a First Nations chief approached the Governor General with a request for any change to law and/or policy, all His Excellency could do is pass that on to the Cabinet, anyway. Johnston's participation in a conference of aboriginal and non-aboriginal politicians would thus be either inappropriate (if not unconstitutional) or redundant. At best, Spence could present her grievances to the Governor General as a symbolic gesture representing the fact that the treaties are between aboriginals and the permanent (and non-partisan) Crown, and not with the ever-changing (and partisan) government. That has been done before: on a number of occasions, First Nations leaders have presented the Queen with grievances when she and her prime minister at the time were visiting a nearby region and, in each case, the Queen immediately passed the document to the prime minister so Cabinet could consider it and advise the Crown on how to proceed. However, those First Nations leaders used the situation--personally handing grievances to none other than the sovereign in front of all the national and international media that invariably follows her--precisely so as to get but a fraction of the attention Spence has already received; and they went to the Queen when she came near to them, rather than demanding that the Queen come see them and putting on a pity-begging charade of a hunger strike until the monarch obeyed. Spence can mail the Governor General a letter or drop one off at Rideau Hall herself. [ed.: +] Edited January 9, 2013 by g_bambino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 I have a feeling this 'working meeting' will be more a dictation of terms rather than anything else. Results are expected by these idiots. As posted once before, this is BLACKMAIL...nothing else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 (edited) She is so scared now to be out in the open where her people can't keep the questions away from her and if she goes to the meeting ,she will have to have some answers. I just can't get over the people that have the blinders on, and can't see what is going on. Edited January 10, 2013 by PIK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 She is so scared now to be out in the open where her people can't keep the questions away from her and if she goes to the meeting ,she will have to have some answers. I just can't get over the people that have the blinders on, and can't see what is going on. How do you know she would have to answer questions ? Is the meeting public ? I looked for an agenda online but can't find one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 How do you know she would have to answer questions ? Is the meeting public ? I looked for an agenda online but can't find one. Well unless she gets escorted by armed guards to the meeting, she'll probably have reporters hounding her the minute she leaves her Teepee. Last week she embraced that treatment, Not so much now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 She keeps moving the goalposts and I just read that they now won't let the media in. Time to pack up her tent and go home, let the more credible Chiefs do the talking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckistani Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 let the more credible Chiefs do the talking. cough cough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 Well unless she gets escorted by armed guards to the meeting, she'll probably have reporters hounding her the minute she leaves her Teepee. Last week she embraced that treatment, Not so much now. I suppose so - but that's more about leaving her compound than going to a meeting isn't it ? She could probably figure out a way to attend and ignore the press. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 (edited) I suppose so - but that's more about leaving her compound than going to a meeting isn't it ? She could probably figure out a way to attend and ignore the press. Maybe there will be a Media Scrum that she'll have to deal with after the meeting, I don't know. OR perhaps she got pressured into withdrawing from the meeting by other FN leaders because the meeting will be more about her and this audit than the issues the leaders want to discuss. I can't prove that, but it wouldn't surprise me considering how this woman has made this national movement all about her. I'm pretty sure she's not pulling out because the GG won't be there though. And if she is, she's more vain that I originally thought. Edited January 10, 2013 by Boges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty AC Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 I missed it previously, but Clayton Kennedy, the co-manager that was sleeping with Spence was billing the band $850 per day for his services. Yeah, no conflict of interest there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 (edited) I missed it previously, but Clayton Kennedy, the co-manager that was sleeping with Spence was billing the band $850 per day for his services. Yeah, no conflict of interest there. Ezra reported that last week. Edited January 10, 2013 by Boges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 Ezra reported that last week. That liar!!!! Oh wait...Ezra was right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 OMG!!! http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/01/10/governor-general-agrees-to-host-first-nations-chiefs-after-spence-cancels/ OTTAWA – Governor-General David Johnston has accepted Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s request to host a ceremonial meeting with First Nations leaders at Rideau Hall on Friday following the prime minister’s meeting with First Nations chiefs. On Wednesday, Attawapiskat Chief Theresa Spence said she would no longer attend her long-sought meeting with the prime minister on Friday because the Governor-General had rejected an invitation. “I will not be attending Friday’s meeting with the prime minister, as the Governor-General’s attendance is integral when discussing inherent and treaty rights,” Spence said in a statement after a morning of conflicting statements from her staff. Spence has yet to respond to Johnston’s decision to host the meeting. Why are people bending over backwards to placate this woman!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 OMG!!! http://news.national...spence-cancels/ Why are people bending over backwards to placate this woman!!! I know...it's like Survivor: Attawapiskat...who will support the TeePee Alliance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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