Hudson Jones Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 (edited) This image is breaking my heart. I am the father of a newborn child and I am so incredibly fortunate to be here. Why do I deserve to be here while a father or a mother has to go through this. We need to stop supporting Israel's aggression and start supporting justice and human rights. A Palestinian man from Al Zeitoun holding his one-year-old son, Omar Jihad Mashrawi, who died from his injuries, at Al Shifa Hospital, Gaza City, November 14, 2012. (photo: Anne Paq/Activestills.org) [edited: Although a Palestinian child was killed while playing soccer in Gaza, the photo was from the Syrian war and it has been removed] -- Here we go again. I. TIMELINE: ISRAEL’S LATEST ESCALATION IN GAZA THURSDAY, 8 NOVEMBER Following a two-week lull in violence, Israeli soldiers invade Gaza. In the resulting exchange of gunfire with Palestinian fighters, a twelve year-old boy is killed by an Israeli bullet while he plays soccer. Shortly afterwards, Palestinian fighters blow up a tunnel along the Gaza-Israel frontier, injuring one Israeli soldier. SATURDAY, 10 NOVEMBER An anti-tank missile fired by Palestinian fighters wounds four Israeli soldiers driving in a jeep along the Israel-Gaza boundary. An Israeli artillery shell lands in a soccer field in Gaza killing two children, aged sixteen and seventeen. Later, an Israeli tank fires a shell at a tent where mourners are gathered for a funeral, killing two more civilians and wounding more than two dozen others. SUNDAY, 11 NOVEMBER One Palestinian civilian is killed and dozens more are wounded in Israeli attacks. Four Israeli civilians are also injured as a result of projectiles launched from Gaza, according to the Israeli government. During an Israeli government cabinet meeting, Transportation Minister Yisrael Katz urges the government to “cut off the head of the snake… take out the leadership of Hamas in Gaza.” He also calls for a cutting off of water, food, electricity, and fuel shipments to Gaza’s 1.7 million people. MONDAY, 12 NOVEMBER Palestinian militant factions agree to a truce if Israel ends its attacks. WEDNESDAY, 14 NOVEMBER Israel breaks two days of calm by assassinating Ahmed Jabari, the head of Hamas' military wing. According to reports, at least eight other Palestinians are killed in Israeli attacks, including at least two children. Palestinian militant groups vow to respond. Link Edited December 7, 2012 by Hudson Jones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Jabari was a legitimate target who was responsible for rocket attacks into Israel. If the rockets stopped, so would Israeli attacks. But that won't happen, because Iran doesn't give a toss about Palestinian children, and neither do Hamas, nor any of the other Islamist groups hell bent on Israel's destruction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Palestinians have been shooting rockets from Gaza into Israel for weeks. Israel is acting in its self-defense. Those are the facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudson Jones Posted November 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Jabari was a legitimate target who was responsible for rocket attacks into Israel. If the rockets stopped, so would Israeli attacks. But that won't happen, because Iran doesn't give a toss about Palestinian children, and neither do Hamas, nor any of the other Islamist groups hell bent on Israel's destruction. Read the timeline so that you may not make false and bizarre justifications for killing civilians that make you look like a German trying to justify Nazi actions 70 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Nazis by the second post. Obviously a well thought out argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudson Jones Posted November 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Nazis by the second post. Obviously a well thought out argument. There is no argument. You failed in basing your response on facts. The occupation started in 1967. Rockets started in 2001. There is always an excuse by Israel and people like you, who will jump to justify Israel's disgusting behaviour towards the Palestinians. Behind the velvet curtain lies a state built on myths and narratives, protected only by a military behemoth, billions of dollars in US assistance and a lone UN Security Council veto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Oddly, in 1967, the Israelis were using WW2 surplus...which they bought...and French weapons...which they also bought. Or their own gear...you've heard of Uzi, no doubt. I guess Nasser and crew expected an easy victory with their newly acquired 'free' Soviet built armies. But, alas...the Zionist Entity won AGAIN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudson Jones Posted November 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Oddly, in 1967, the Israelis were using WW2 surplus...which they bought...and French weapons...which they also bought. Or their own gear...you've heard of Uzi, no doubt. I guess Nasser and crew expected an easy victory with their newly acquired 'free' Soviet built armies. But, alas...the Zionist Entity won AGAIN. Israel is the occupier and oppressor; Palestinians are the occupied and oppressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 The occupation started in 1967. Rockets started in 2001. There is always an excuse by Israel and people like you, who will jump to justify Israel's disgusting behaviour towards the Palestinians. indeed, israeli zionists keep repeating the myth palestinians don't want peace and negotiations can begin only when the attacks stop...but when there were no attacks there was no attempt to negotiate only land theft/aparthied/ethnic cleansing...zionists will never have any intention of finding a peaceful solution it isn't in their best interest, their best interest lies in keeping the hostilities ongoing as an excuse not to negotiate.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Israel is the occupier and oppressor; Palestinians are the occupied and oppressed. That CBC tripe doesn't sell here. The Palestinian Cause is the wet dream of a former Nazi SS man who hated Jews with a passion that shocked Himmler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Israel is the occupier and oppressor; Palestinians are the occupied and oppressed. it apparently takes a minimum level of intelligence/education to comprehend that...something I understood by the 8th grade... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 it apparently takes a minimum level of intelligence/education to comprehend that... Rome June 28, 1943 His Excellency The Minister of Foreign Affairs for Hungary Your Excellency: You no doubt know of the struggle between the Arabs and Jews of Palestine, what it has been and what it is, a long and bloody fight, brought about by the desire of the Jews to create a national home, a Jewish State in the Near East, with the help and protection of England and the United States. In fact, behind it lies the hope which the Jews have never relinquished, namely, the domination of the whole world through this Important, strategic center, Palestine. In effect their program has, among other purposes, always aimed at the encouragement of Jewish migration to Palestine and the other countries of the Near East. However, the war, as well as the understanding which the members of the Three-Power Pact have of the responsibility of the Jews for its outbreak and finally their evil intentions towards these countries which protected them until now - all these are reasons for placing them under such vigilant control as will definitely stop their emigration to Palestine or elsewhere. Lately I have been informed of the uninterrupted efforts made by the English and the Jews to obtain permission for the Jews living in your country to leave for Palestine via Bulgaria and Turkey. I have also learned that these negotiations were successful since some of the Jews of Hungary have had the satisfaction of emigrating to Palestine via Bulgaria and Turkey and that a group of these Jews arrived In Palestine towards the end of last March. The Jewish Agency, which supervises the execution of the Jewish program, has published a bulletin which contains important information on the current negotiations between the English Government and the governments of other interested states to send the Jews of Balkan countries to Palestine. The Jewish Agency quoted, among other things, its receipt of a sufficient number of immigration certificates for 900 Jewish children to be transported from Hungary, accompanied by 100 adults. To authorize these Jews to leave your country under the above circumstances and in this way, would by no means solve the Jewish problem and would certainly not protect your country against their evil influence - far from it! - for this escape would make it possible for them to communicate and combine freely with their racial brethren in enemy countries in order to strengthen their position and to exert a more dangerous influence on the outcome of the war, especially since, as a consequence of their long stay in your country they are necessarily in a position to know many of your secrets and also about your war effort. All this comes on top of the terrible damage done to the friendly Arab nation which has taken its place at your side in this war and which cherishes for your country the most sincere feelings and the very best wishes. This is the reason why I ask your Excellency to permit me to draw your attention to the necessity of preventing the Jews from leaving your country for Palestine and if there are reasons which make their removal necessary, it would be indispensable and infinitely preferable to send them to other countries where they would find themselves under active control, for example, in Poland, in order thereby to protect oneself from their menace and avoid the consequent damages Yours, etc. Source: The Arab Higher Committee. Its Origins, Personnel and Purposes. Documentary Record Submitted to the United Nations, May 1947, by the Nation Associates. Hungary acceded to the Mufti's request and sent Hungarian Jews to the death camps ("where they would find themselves under active control") in Poland. The Nation Associates added their own note stating that as a result of this request, 400,000 Jews were killed. [Letter from Mufti ends here] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 putting a number to children killed since 2000-12...israeli 129...palestinian 1477 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Translation... "To the Grand Mufti: The National Socialist movement of Greater Germany has, since its inception, inscribed upon its flag the fight against the world Jewry. It has therefore followed with particular sympathy the struggle of freedom-loving Arabs, especially in Palestine, against Jewish interlopers. In the recognition of this enemy and of the common struggle against it lies the firm foundation of the natural alliance that exists between the National Socialist Greater Germany and the freedom-loving Muslims of the whole world. In this spirit I am sending you on the anniversary of the infamous Balfour declaration my hearty greetings and wishes for the successful pursuit of your struggle until the final victory. Signed: Reichsfuehrer S.S. Heinrich Himmler" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 putting a number to children killed since 2000-12...israeli 129...palestinian 1477 Hamas has some serious catching-up to do if they want to beat the Mufti's record of Jews killed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudson Jones Posted November 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Back in the mid-90's when I was starting to understand and make sense of Israel's occupation of Palestinians, my mom told me that the same thing will happen to Israel's treatment of Palestinians as it did to Apartheid South Africa: It will end when the voice of the people of the world is loud enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Right...we'll see how it goes after Israel deals with the rat problem called Hamas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Israel is the occupier and oppressor; Palestinians are the occupied and oppressed. That's a conclusion, but an argument also needs premises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 That's a conclusion, but an argument also needs premises. What other argument does Hudson need? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Palestinians have been shooting rockets from Gaza into Israel for weeks. Israel is acting in its self-defense. Those are the facts. Israel has to defend itself from Palestinian infants and children? Pesky little critters, eh?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Israel has to defend itself from Palestinian infants and children? Pesky little critters, eh?! http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/11/15/israel-gaza-hamas-netanyahu.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Anyone care to comment on where the rockets are being fired from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Israel has to defend itself from Palestinian infants and children? Pesky little critters, eh?! Exhibit A: the intelligence level of your typical anti-Israeli crusader. I rest my case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudson Jones Posted November 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 It looks like some people are trying to change what really happened. How about I post the timeline again to show that Israel has had a few opportunities to follow a truce and a ceasefire but then it did not: I. TIMELINE: ISRAEL’S LATEST ESCALATION IN GAZA THURSDAY, 8 NOVEMBER Following a two-week lull in violence, Israeli soldiers invade Gaza. In the resulting exchange of gunfire with Palestinian fighters, a twelve year-old boy is killed by an Israeli bullet while he plays soccer. Shortly afterwards, Palestinian fighters blow up a tunnel along the Gaza-Israel frontier, injuring one Israeli soldier. SATURDAY, 10 NOVEMBER An anti-tank missile fired by Palestinian fighters wounds four Israeli soldiers driving in a jeep along the Israel-Gaza boundary. An Israeli artillery shell lands in a soccer field in Gaza killing two children, aged sixteen and seventeen. Later, an Israeli tank fires a shell at a tent where mourners are gathered for a funeral, killing two more civilians and wounding more than two dozen others. SUNDAY, 11 NOVEMBER One Palestinian civilian is killed and dozens more are wounded in Israeli attacks. Four Israeli civilians are also injured as a result of projectiles launched from Gaza, according to the Israeli government. During an Israeli government cabinet meeting, Transportation Minister Yisrael Katz urges the government to “cut off the head of the snake… take out the leadership of Hamas in Gaza.” He also calls for a cutting off of water, food, electricity, and fuel shipments to Gaza’s 1.7 million people. MONDAY, 12 NOVEMBER Palestinian militant factions agree to a truce if Israel ends its attacks. WEDNESDAY, 14 NOVEMBER Israel breaks two days of calm by assassinating Ahmed Jabari, the head of Hamas' military wing. According to reports, at least eight other Palestinians are killed in Israeli attacks, including at least two children. Palestinian militant groups vow to respond. Link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 It looks like some people are trying to change what really happened. No argument there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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