Guest Posted November 15, 2012 Report Posted November 15, 2012 I guess it's not just Islam... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/this-is-a-catholic-country-woman-dies-of-septicaemia-after-being-refused-an-abortion-in-irish-hospital-8315609.html Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 15, 2012 Report Posted November 15, 2012 I guess it's not just Islam... http://www.independe...al-8315609.html The Irish...donna get me started. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
The_Squid Posted November 15, 2012 Report Posted November 15, 2012 Sad. This is what blind adherence to religion leads to. Quote Science flies you to the moon, Religion flies you into buildings.
Sleipnir Posted November 15, 2012 Report Posted November 15, 2012 I guess it's not just Islam... http://www.independe...al-8315609.html I'm shock, what can one sufficiently say about this? Quote "All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure." - Mark Twain
kimmy Posted November 15, 2012 Report Posted November 15, 2012 Yep, this is completely retarded. Reminds me somewhat of the girl in the Dominican Republic who died because doctors couldn't give her chemotherapy because it would harm the fetus. They could give her chemotherapy once she was sick enough that her condition forced a miscarriage, by which point it was too late to save her. Scumbags. Meanwhile in America: H.R. 358. Just saying. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Sleipnir Posted November 15, 2012 Report Posted November 15, 2012 Meanwhile in America: H.R. 358. Just saying. You have got to be joking O__O Quote "All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure." - Mark Twain
Bonam Posted November 15, 2012 Report Posted November 15, 2012 Wow, that's just wrong. Completely unacceptable. Hopefully there is a criminal investigation into the doctors involved and the hospital, as well as a serious review of Ireland's policies. As for HR 358, thankfully the Christaeofascist party didn't win the white house, so Obama can veto it. Quote
cybercoma Posted November 15, 2012 Report Posted November 15, 2012 Or the little girl in Brazil that was raped for years by her step father only to get excommunicated by the church for having an abortion on the twins whom she would never be able to carry to term anyway. Don't worry though; the church also excommunicated the doctors and her mother for conspiring in the murders of her fetuses. The father wasn't excommunicated because rape's not that big of a deal by comparison evidently. Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson
kimmy Posted November 15, 2012 Report Posted November 15, 2012 (edited) Or the little girl in Brazil that was raped for years by her step father only to get excommunicated by the church for having an abortion on the twins whom she would never be able to carry to term anyway. Don't worry though; the church also excommunicated the doctors and her mother for conspiring in the murders of her fetuses. The father wasn't excommunicated because rape's not that big of a deal by comparison evidently. Well of course not. According to the Old Testament he should have just given himself 50 shekels and married her. -k Edited November 15, 2012 by kimmy Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
eyeball Posted November 15, 2012 Report Posted November 15, 2012 The case has drawn attention in the starkest and most tragic way... You don't have to be religious to require this before some of the worst consequences to the things people do finally sinks in. Religion helps, if such a word applies, but willful stupidity is very much a human condition. It's even more tragic and un-excusable in the absence of religion when you really think about. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Mighty AC Posted November 15, 2012 Report Posted November 15, 2012 It's even more tragic and un-excusable in the absence of religion when you really think about. I know what you're saying but I detest the idea of relativism. Sick and twisted acts should not be considered more excusable because they were committed by a "believer". The belief may explain their actions but it should not in any way condone them or lessen the severity of the tragedy. Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
Merlin Posted November 15, 2012 Report Posted November 15, 2012 Well it seems that the good part of democracys is that they are always evolving and laws are able to be changed. In Islamic countries laws are almost never able to be changed for any reason. Quote
Sleipnir Posted November 15, 2012 Report Posted November 15, 2012 Well it seems that the good part of democracys is that they are always evolving and laws are able to be changed. In Islamic countries laws are almost never able to be changed for any reason. You and your obsession with Muslims and Islam. What, pray tell, does Islam have to do with this topic? Quote "All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure." - Mark Twain
The_Squid Posted November 15, 2012 Report Posted November 15, 2012 You and your obsession with Muslims and Islam. What, pray tell, does Islam have to do with this topic? he's a troll..... nuff said. Quote Science flies you to the moon, Religion flies you into buildings.
Merlin Posted November 15, 2012 Report Posted November 15, 2012 You and your obsession with Muslims and Islam. What, pray tell, does Islam have to do with this topic? In our western democracies laws are able to be changed. In Islamic countries they cannot be as they are ruled by Sharia Law. Quote
guyser Posted November 15, 2012 Report Posted November 15, 2012 In our western democracies laws are able to be changed. In Islamic countries they cannot be as they are ruled by Sharia Law. Except when they are changed, even with Sharia.Woman are driving in Saudi Arabia. Turkey is Muslim, but they change laws all the time. Quote
Merlin Posted November 15, 2012 Report Posted November 15, 2012 Except when they are changed, even with Sharia. Woman are driving in Saudi Arabia. Turkey is Muslim, but they change laws all the time. Saudi Arabia beheads people for witchcraft regularly so I don't think they are a beacon of human rights in the Islamic world. Turkey flirted with democracy for a while but is now turning away from that model and towards Sharia nowadays. Iran hangs suspected homosexuals. Women are stoned to death for being raped. All in Islamic countries. I don't know of any Islamic countries where basic human rights as outlined by the UN are at a high standard. Do you? Quote
The_Squid Posted November 15, 2012 Report Posted November 15, 2012 In our western democracies laws are able to be changed. In Islamic countries they cannot be as they are ruled by Sharia Law. You are wrong. Turkey: Religion: Muslim 99.8% (mostly Sunni), other 0.2% (mostly Christians and Jews) Legal System: civil law system based on various European legal systems notably the Swiss civil code; note - member of the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR), although Turkey claims limited derogations on the ratified European Convention on Human Rights source: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/tu.html Quote Science flies you to the moon, Religion flies you into buildings.
Merlin Posted November 15, 2012 Report Posted November 15, 2012 You are wrong. I am? Name me another one of the Islamic countries where they can be changed freely. How about Saudi Arabia, Iran, Sudan and many more? Quote
cybercoma Posted November 15, 2012 Report Posted November 15, 2012 Don't hurt your back moving those goalposts. Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson
The_Squid Posted November 15, 2012 Report Posted November 15, 2012 (edited) I am? Name me another one of the Islamic countries where they can be changed freely. How about Saudi Arabia, Iran, Sudan and many more? Yes, you are certainly wrong! Malaysia Religion: Muslim (or Islam - official) 60.4%, Buddhist 19.2%, Christian 9.1%, Hindu 6.3%, Confucianism, Taoism, other traditional Chinese religions 2.6%, other or unknown 1.5%, none 0.8% (2000 census) Legal System: mixed legal system of English common law, Islamic law, and customary law; judicial review of legislative acts in the Supreme Court at request of supreme head of the federation source: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/my.html Edited November 15, 2012 by The_Squid Quote Science flies you to the moon, Religion flies you into buildings.
The_Squid Posted November 15, 2012 Report Posted November 15, 2012 Don't hurt your back moving those goalposts. Funny how that happens when people find out how wrong their prejudices are.... LOL People should pick up a frickin book once in a while.... they may not seem like such idiots... Quote Science flies you to the moon, Religion flies you into buildings.
guyser Posted November 16, 2012 Report Posted November 16, 2012 Turkey flirted with democracy for a while but is now turning away from that model and towards Sharia nowadays.Sigh...Is a while more or less than almost 90 odd years? 1923 baby ! And still going strong,although there have been cracks in the recent past. Iran hangs suspected homosexuals. Women are stoned to death for being raped. All in Islamic countries. I don't know of any Islamic countries where basic human rights as outlined by the UN are at a high standard. Do you? YupSe above posts. The squid is right .....right? Quote
Sleipnir Posted November 16, 2012 Report Posted November 16, 2012 (edited) I am? Name me another one of the Islamic countries where they can be changed freely. Libya...I think, they're undergoing re-development or so I heard. Edited November 16, 2012 by Sleipnir Quote "All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure." - Mark Twain
Merlin Posted November 16, 2012 Report Posted November 16, 2012 Ok some of you are saying that Islamic countries are a beacon of human rights and are countries that Canada should model itself from? If no then why are so many of you defending the human rights records of Islamic nations? Quote
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