Most Israeli Jews would support apartheid regime in Israel

[bud]

was there really a surprise? when you have a nation that came to be through ethnic cleansing what do you expect?

the following information is a reason why canadians and americans cannot identify with zionism.

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Most of the Jewish public in Israel supports the establishment of an apartheid regime in Israel if it formally annexes the West Bank.

A majority also explicitly favors discrimination against the state's Arab citizens, a survey shows.

The majority of the Jewish public, 59 percent, wants preference for Jews over Arabs in admission to jobs in government ministries. Almost half the Jews, 49 percent, want the state to treat Jewish citizens better than Arab ones; 42 percent don't want to live in the same building with Arabs and 42 percent don't want their children in the same class with Arab children.

58% of jewish israelis accept that israel practices apartheid against arabs:

Although the territories have not been annexed, most of the Jewish public (58 percent ) already believes Israel practices apartheid against Arabs. Only 31 percent think such a system is not in force here. Over a third (38 percent ) of the Jewish public wants Israel to annex the territories with settlements on them, while 48 percent object.

this is why the world can no longer stay silent and watch. majority of the israeli culture has become morally sick and can no longer be trusted in doing the right thing. we're going to see another world movement, resembling apartheid south africa.

[Mr.Canada]

I don't see the problem. Most white people in Canada would most likely like to be treated better than everyone else too.

[DogOnPorch]

One need only look to the Arab world to see real Apartheid.

[bush_cheney2004]

was there really a surprise? when you have a nation that came to be through ethnic cleansing what do you expect?

the following information is a reason why canadians and americans cannot identify with zionism.

No surprise at all, given the historical status of First Nations and Indian reserves in Canada and the United States:

The Indian Act is a Canadian federal law that governs in matters pertaining to Indian

status

,

bands

, and Indian

reserves

. Throughout history it has been highly invasive and paternalistic, as it authorizes the Canadian federal government to regulate and administer in the affairs and day-to-day lives of registered Indians and reserve communities.

http://indigenousfoundations.arts.ubc.ca/home/government-policy/the-indian-act.html

The

Indian Appropriations Act

is the name of several acts passed by the

United States Congress

. A considerable number of acts were passed under the same name throughout the 19th and early 20th centuries, but the most notable landmark acts consist of the 1851 Indian Appropriations Act and the 1871 Indian Appropriations Act.

...But the explanation more often utilized is one that originated in the 1830s, nearly two decades before the passing of this Act, when many Americans agreed with President

Jackson

theories that Indians needed to be resettled westward for their own protection.

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As decided, Native Americans in the South were forced to move to the Great Plains, but by the 1850s, Americans began to move into that area as well. Thus, the federal government, acting on such exigency and on Americans’ long-standing sentiments regarding the Indians, passed the Indian Appropriations Act of 1851, placing Indians on reservations given there were no other lands available for another forced relocation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Appropriations_Act

[bud]

No surprise at all, given the historical status of First Nations and Indian reserves in Canada and the United States:

you'd think when you try to equate two things, they should somehow be similar, no?

let me make this easy for you. let's replace the words to show how ridiculous your comparison is. oh and welcome back!

majority of the canadian public, 59 percent, wants preference for canadians over first nations in admission to jobs in government ministries. Almost half the canadians, 49 percent, want the state to treat canadian citizens better than first nations ones; 42 percent don't want to live in the same building with first nations and 42 percent don't want their children in the same class with first nations children.

[bush_cheney2004]

you'd think when you try to equate two things, they should somehow be similar, no?

I was agreeing with your statement concerning the lack of surprise given the historical nature of land settlement in Norte America. Apartheid concepts in South Africa were actually developed from another Commonwealth nation with an existing reserve and segregation system (Canada). If these historical facts run counter to your biased view, please ignore my posts in the future.

[Bonam]

Most of the Jewish public in Israel supports the establishment of an apartheid regime in Israel if it formally annexes the West Bank.

That's because if Israel annexed the West Bank, it would very quickly no longer be a Jewish majority state. Israeli Jews would have to choose between implementing unequal policies, fleeing the country, or death. Given those choices, there is no choice. Fortunately, your poll is based on a hypothetical, and an unlikely one at that. Annexation of the West Bank by Israel is not going to happen, Israel's leaders are well aware of the demographic issues involved.

[Guest Peeves]

That's because if Israel annexed the West Bank, it would very quickly no longer be a Jewish majority state. Israeli Jews would have to choose between implementing unequal policies, fleeing the country, or death. Given those choices, there is no choice. Fortunately, your poll is based on a hypothetical, and an unlikely one at that. Annexation of the West Bank by Israel is not going to happen, Israel's leaders are well aware of the demographic issues involved.

No Arab country want them as citizens apparently, why would Israel? I think first and foremost given the history of concern, Jews -Israel, had best put Israels interests first.

Unfortunately, many Arab countries don't feel the same way about the Arabs in the disputed territory of Judea and Samaria Area

Edited October 26, 2012 by Peeves

[jacee]

Although the territories have not been annexed, most of the Jewish public (58 percent ) already believes Israel practices apartheid against Arabs.

It strikes me that the arguments put forward here, vilifying anyone who dares refer to 'Israeli apartheid', are unnecessary.

If Israelis themselves recognize and support apartheid, why would any North Americans deny it?

[DogOnPorch]

Although the territories have not been annexed, most of the Jewish public (58 percent ) already believes Israel practices apartheid against Arabs.

It strikes me that the arguments put forward here, vilifying anyone who dares refer to 'Israeli apartheid', are unnecessary.

If Israelis themselves recognize and support apartheid, why would any North Americans deny it?

Because downtrodden South Africans didn't attempt genocide against the ruling white class several times, for one. This situation for the Arabs is the result of attempted invasions that they, themselves, initiated. Not Israel's fault.

[DogOnPorch]

Here's a clip from this Summer. Seems Hamas wants more war. Should we ignore this fellow? He's a Hamas MP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QlFG6435J0

Or perhaps it's a mistranslation? Hamas only wants the best for Israel and its citizens?

[jacee]

Because downtrodden South Africans didn't attempt genocide against the ruling white class several times, for one. This situation for the Arabs is the result of attempted invasions that they, themselves, initiated. Not Israel's fault.

"Fault" isn't the issue.

But perhaps the attacks on those protesting the apartheid can stop now.

Edited October 26, 2012 by jacee

[DogOnPorch]

"Fault" isn't the issue.

But perhaps the attacks on those protesting the apartheid can stop now.

Which Apartheid? Saudi Arabia's? Syria's? Lebanon's?

[Guest Peeves]

While those whine about the Gazans plight the facts of Islamic atrocity they ignore. They seem to think the historic attack on Jews with accusations that are often simply fabricated or out of context will excuse the Islamic world from guilt.

http://www.thedailyb...slim-world.html

The problems in Israel are undeniable. There are indeed sufferers on both sides, yet most in occupied territory or disputed territory with all the faults are treated far better than they would be in some other Islamic countries.

Ignored by those crying over Arabs are those completely devoid of opinion on the victims of the Islamic world. Syria today for example. Lebanon and Iraq etc. Then there are these that I wish I would on occasion see any compassion or concern.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali:The Global War on Christians in the Muslim World

Feb 6, 2012 12:00 AM EST

From one end of the Muslim world to the other, Christians are being murdered for their faith.

We hear so often about Muslims as victims of abuse in the West and combatants in the Arab Spring’s fight against tyranny. But, in fact, a wholly different kind of war is underway—an unrecognized battle costing thousands of lives. Christians are being killed in the Islamic world because of their religion. It is a rising genocide that ought to provoke global alarm.

The portrayal of Muslims as victims or heroes is at best partially accurate. In recent years the violent oppression of Christian minorities has become the norm in Muslim-majority nations stretching from West Africa and the Middle East to South Asia and Oceania. In some countries it is governments and their agents that have burned churches and imprisoned parishioners. In others, rebel groups and vigilantes have taken matters into their own hands, murdering Christians and driving them from regions where their roots go back centuries.

Where are the fingers pointing at atrocities of a magnitude far outweighing the plight of Gazans? Sadly, not forthcoming.

Until that rage against Israel is balanced by condemnation for other situations, the Arab supporters lack much in the way of credibility.

In the month of January 2012 alone, Boko Haram was responsible for 54 deaths. In 2011 its members killed at least 510 people and burned down or destroyed more than 350 churches in 10 northern states. They use guns, gasoline bombs, and even machetes, shouting “Allahu akbar” (“God is great”) while launching attacks on unsuspecting citizens. They have attacked churches, a Christmas Day gathering (killing 42 Catholics), beer parlors, a town hall, beauty salons, and banks. They have so far focused on killing Christian clerics, politicians, students, policemen, and soldiers, as well as Muslim clerics who condemn their mayhem. While they started out by using crude methods like hit-and-run assassinations from the back of motorbikes in 2009, the latest AP reports indicate that the group’s recent attacks show a new level of potency and sophistication.

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The Christophobia that has plagued Sudan for years takes a very different form. The authoritarian government of the Sunni Muslim north of the country has for decades tormented Christian and animist minorities in the south. What has often been described as a civil war is in practice the Sudanese government’s sustained persecution of religious minorities. This persecution culminated in the infamous genocide in Darfur that began in 2003. Even though Sudan’s Muslim president, Omar al-Bashir, has been indicted by the International Criminal Court in The Hague, which charged him with three counts of genocide, and despite the euphoria that greeted the semi-independence he grant-ed to South Sudan in July of last year, the violence has not ended. In South Kordofan, Christians are still subject-ed to aerial bombardment, targeted killings, the kidnap-ping of children, and other atrocities. Reports from the United Nations indicate that between 53,000 and 75,000 innocent civilians have been displaced from their resi-dences and that houses and buildings have been looted and destroyed.

Edited October 26, 2012 by Peeves

[DogOnPorch]

Things like the genocide of Christians inside the Muslim world is of no concern to anti-Zionists.

[bud]

i love how the hasbara bots are either trying to take attention away from the obvious by changing the subject or trying to justify the israeli jews supporting of an apartheid regime.

israel's culture is a sick culture. what many of the israelis do and accept when it comes to the treatment of the palestinians would never be accepted in north america.

[Guest Peeves]

i love how the hasbara bots are either trying to take attention away from the obvious by changing the subject or trying to justify the israeli jews supporting of an apartheid regime.

israel's culture is a sick culture. what many of the israelis do and accept when it comes to the treatment of the palestinians would never be accepted in north america.

What most Islamic countries do and practice would never be accepted in democratic countries civilized 21st century countries, North America or ancient Rome.

[wyly]

i love how the hasbara bots are either trying to take attention away from the obvious by changing the subject or trying to justify the israeli jews supporting of an apartheid regime.

israel's culture is a sick culture. what many of the israelis do and accept when it comes to the treatment of the palestinians would never be accepted in north america.

well done bud, you've drawn the racists out into the open...there's no way to defend zionist aparthied as justified and not be a bigoted racist...

the real irony here is 45,000 thousand canadians died fighting a racist regime and now we have children of that generation of canadians who fought it now advocating racism as justifiable the very same mind set that was the cause of WW2 is alive and well in the canadian rightwing ...

[DogOnPorch]

well done bud, you've drawn the racists out into the open...there's no way to defend zionist aparthied as justified and not be a bigoted racist...

the real irony here is 45,000 thousand canadians died fighting a racist regime and now we have children of that generation of canadians who fought it now advocating racism as justifiable the very same mind set that was the cause of WW2 is alive and well in the canadian rightwing ...

My goodness. Hyperbole-city. You're getting just as bad as bud. So, other than name-calling, do you have any good examples of Israeli Arabs facing Apartheid?

[dre]

Because downtrodden South Africans didn't attempt genocide against the ruling white class several times, for one. This situation for the Arabs is the result of attempted invasions that they, themselves, initiated. Not Israel's fault.

Thats a half truth at best. Both sides did a whole lot of initiating.

[Bonam]

israel's culture is a sick culture. what many of the israelis do and accept when it comes to the treatment of the palestinians would never be accepted in north america.

You're right. In North America, if someone committed terrorist acts against us, we wouldn't sit around doing surgical strikes that occasionally hurt civilians. Instead, we'd go topple their whole freaking country, occupy it for a decade or two, and install a new government. And if we happened to run across an indigenous population on land that we wanted to inhabit, we'd just destroy 99% of the existing population and stick the rest on reserves. That's one sick culture Israel has, not taking what's rightfully theirs through shear strength of force as we in North America have the fine tradition of doing.

[DogOnPorch]

Thats a half truth at best. Both sides did a whole lot of initiating.

Like....?

[Bonam]

Thats a half truth at best. Both sides did a whole lot of initiating.

No, trying to portray the "initiating" as some kind of even split is a blind concession to "neutrality" in this case. Not every two propositions are equal. They have facts behind them. From the 1800s until the 1940s, Arabs massacred Jews in the part of the world that is now Israel, while they were still a tiny minority and without any state of their own. In WWII, the Arabs sided themselves with Hitler and aided in the extermination of Jews. In 1948, when the mandate was to be split into two parts, the Jews accepted their small part while the Arabs invaded, attempting to eradicate the newly formed Israel. In the 1950s and 60s, fedayeen terrorists constantly attacked Israel In 1967, Israel's neighbors massed hundreds of thousands of troops on Israel's border, preparing to invade, as they had tried multiple times before. In 1973, they struck without warning on Israel's holiest day, attempting to eradicate it once again. The same pattern has repeated itself over and over. There is by no means any equality that could be described as "both sides did a lot of initiating". To make that statement is an unreasoned equivocation and ignores the actual history of the region.

[Guest Peeves]

You're right. In North America, if someone committed terrorist acts against us, we wouldn't sit around doing surgical strikes that occasionally hurt civilians. Instead, we'd go topple their whole freaking country, occupy it for a decade or two, and install a new government. And if we happened to run across an indigenous population on land that we wanted to inhabit, we'd just destroy 99% of the existing population and stick the rest on reserves. That's one sick culture Israel has, not taking what's rightfully theirs through shear strength of force as we in North America have the fine tradition of doing.

I know why flotilla 'aid' and rocket -mortar attacks are directed at Israel If the same things were directed at say Syria or Russia or Turkey, we know the response wouldn't be to board and inspect a ship, nor return attack by rocket with surgical precision, it would be Boom! You're dead.

Could you imagine a rocket attack from Quebec into Ontario and Ontario simply doing the minimum in response? Not likely. If Cuba had sent ONE rocket at the USA, Cuba would be looking for their ass in the rubble.

[bud]

You're right. In North America, if someone committed terrorist acts against us, we wouldn't sit around doing surgical strikes that occasionally hurt civilians. Instead, we'd go topple their whole freaking country, occupy it for a decade or two, and install a new government.

the occupation and land theft came way before suicide attacks and rocket attacks.

rocket attacks are a symptom of israel's actions. you know it and i know it. so why lie?