jacee Posted October 20, 2012 Report Posted October 20, 2012 (edited) OK. So... someone standing up for believing that the Government should not make laws that put them above the constitution, above court challenge, and above labour laws is irrelevant. Right. Conservative dream fulfilled. Let's just bring slavery back. Section 14 and 15 of "Putting Students First" Legislation puts Government above the constitution, charter of rights, challenge of courts and labour laws. You want this to become common place? I don't. S15 "No term or condition ... shall be reviewed by any court." Holy crap! But ... would the courts agree? Will it be challenged? It was amazing to me how McGuinty revealed himself as a Harris clone the minute he was elected. And he's following Harper's method too, trying to override constitutional rights in legislation and trying to deny Canadians access to the courts to challenge such breaches of constitutional rights. Same sh!t, different wrapping. Democracy under attack. Edited October 20, 2012 by jacee Quote
Michael Hardner Posted October 20, 2012 Report Posted October 20, 2012 And we see how it went for him as a Harris imitator. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Signals.Cpl Posted October 22, 2012 Report Posted October 22, 2012 OK. So... someone standing up for believing that the Government should not make laws that put them above the constitution, above court challenge, and above labour laws is irrelevant. Right. Conservative dream fulfilled. Let's just bring slavery back. Section 14 and 15 of "Putting Students First" Legislation puts Government above the constitution, charter of rights, challenge of courts and labour laws. You want this to become common place? I don't. I have no problem with the Unions fighting th government, I have a problem with them forcing me to support them in their fight wether I agree with them or no simply because they have my child hostage. At this point its not about right or wrong, its about forcing parents to support the union wether they are for or against them. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
socialist Posted October 22, 2012 Author Report Posted October 22, 2012 I have no problem with the Unions fighting th government, I have a problem with them forcing me to support them in their fight wether I agree with them or no simply because they have my child hostage. At this point its not about right or wrong, its about forcing parents to support the union wether they are for or against them. Most parents naturally support the teachers unions. parents know the unions are fightin to make it better for teachers which in turn makes it better for their kids. it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure that out. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
Fletch 27 Posted October 23, 2012 Report Posted October 23, 2012 Most parents naturally support the teachers unions. parents know the unions are fightin to make it better for teachers which in turn makes it better for their kids. it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure that out. Ummmmmm Yea...... Quote
Michael Hardner Posted October 23, 2012 Report Posted October 23, 2012 I have no problem with the Unions fighting th government, I have a problem with them forcing me to support them in their fight wether I agree with them or no simply because they have my child hostage. At this point its not about right or wrong, its about forcing parents to support the union wether they are for or against them. The teachers only have job action as a tool to get what they want, unless there was an actual hostage incident that I didn't hear about. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Fletch 27 Posted October 23, 2012 Report Posted October 23, 2012 The teachers only have job action as a tool to get what they want, unless there was an actual hostage incident that I didn't hear about. You said it right there.. "To get what they want".. Impacting students and parents. Its complete hostage taking and blackmail... Quote
Michael Hardner Posted October 23, 2012 Report Posted October 23, 2012 You said it right there.. "To get what they want".. Impacting students and parents. Its complete hostage taking and blackmail... Yes, to get wage increases. Of course, they can only go so far but that's pretty much the biggest weapon they have. What are you going to do about that, though ? McGuinty's attempt to address this was ham-fisted and politically untenable. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Fletch 27 Posted October 23, 2012 Report Posted October 23, 2012 Yes, to get wage increases. Of course, they can only go so far but that's pretty much the biggest weapon they have. What are you going to do about that, though ? McGuinty's attempt to address this was ham-fisted and politically untenable. McGuinty played "Media hardball"...To gain points with Ontario citizens who are fed up with the Union over-eaters... Then he prorogued the legislature so the Unions can make gains through negotiations as opposed to legislation.... Nice play on his part... Keeping the Unions in the Liberal pocket Quote
Michael Hardner Posted October 23, 2012 Report Posted October 23, 2012 McGuinty played "Media hardball"...To gain points with Ontario citizens who are fed up with the Union over-eaters... Then he prorogued the legislature so the Unions can make gains through negotiations as opposed to legislation.... Nice play on his part... Keeping the Unions in the Liberal pocket And he passed legislation that he said couldn't be challenged in court... You seem to be implying that he tried to keep the teacher union happy but that move ensured that it would be anything but. Anyway, my point still stands awaiting any response - how exactly would somebody change how the labour process works for these Unions ? Harris tried and the province didn't see the advantage in a ten year fight, so he was sent away at the first opportunity. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Fletch 27 Posted October 23, 2012 Report Posted October 23, 2012 And he passed legislation that he said couldn't be challenged in court... You seem to be implying that he tried to keep the teacher union happy but that move ensured that it would be anything but. Anyway, my point still stands awaiting any response - how exactly would somebody change how the labour process works for these Unions ? Harris tried and the province didn't see the advantage in a ten year fight, so he was sent away at the first opportunity. I really dont know how to change it... I think making Unions illegal in the Public employees sector would be a great start. The Usnions are in effect... Protesting against the tax-payer Quote
Michael Hardner Posted October 23, 2012 Report Posted October 23, 2012 I really dont know how to change it... I think making Unions illegal in the Public employees sector would be a great start. The Usnions are in effect... Protesting against the tax-payer Ok. And how do you think that might come to pass, given the Harris experience ? It would take a pretty big war - even if it's a smaller war than we had in the 1990s. Do you think Ontario has the stomach for that right now ? Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Fletch 27 Posted October 23, 2012 Report Posted October 23, 2012 Ok. And how do you think that might come to pass, given the Harris experience ? It would take a pretty big war - even if it's a smaller war than we had in the 1990s. Do you think Ontario has the stomach for that right now ? I really think Ontarians have had enough with the unions.. These times are not at all like when Harris was in power... I do not know ONE person today that is in favor of ANY union! Just 10-15 years ago, even i was ok with them. I think that the Feds should take possesion of Education and Health-Care and pull it from the provinces... Quote
PIK Posted October 23, 2012 Report Posted October 23, 2012 Fletch - insults aren't allowed. You can file this under 'false outrage' - you are always involved if there's a public labour dispute. Three question marks implies this is a unique situation, not one that has persisted for several generations. Who isn't out for themselves when they negotiate wages with an employer ? You strike me as exceedingly naive. He did not insult anyone on this board, but the teachers have it coming to them ,because some of us are just sick and tired at the non-stop whining by this one group. Time for they to roll up the sleeves and get back to work. 2 years is not a long time. And then they can go at it again. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Michael Hardner Posted October 23, 2012 Report Posted October 23, 2012 He did not insult anyone on this board, ... Still - an insult and not allowed. See Rules & Guidelines. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
cybercoma Posted October 23, 2012 Report Posted October 23, 2012 (edited) He did not insult anyone on this board, but the teachers have it coming to them ,because some of us are just sick and tired at the non-stop whining by this one group. Time for they to roll up the sleeves and get back to work. 2 years is not a long time. And then they can go at it again. For you to tell them to stfu in 2 years, right? Because in 2014, "2 years is not a long time," so they can wait until 2016. Edited October 23, 2012 by cybercoma Quote
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