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Wow, you guys are twisted. Sorry but my children will not be exposed to pornography. I know for sure now that neither of you have children. It's scary to think that there are people on this board who are ok with showing children pornography. This is what's wrong with society.

So for the record Black Dog and Guyser do you guys have children?

I'd like to know what sort of parents would plop their toddler down in front of the tv to watch pornography or to have sex in front of them. This is child abuse, plain and simple.

Actually, I agree with you Mr. C. I find Guyser's comments quite disturbing.

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If I need to ask how you measure control ? It's a completely dispassionate question.

How would YOU measure control ? Hours in the day ? Cycles of brain attention ?

This just seems like another excuse for somebody to rocket into the outrage-o-sphere.

It's a judgement call on you as a parent to know or I guess feel what is right for you and your child. If you feel the system is doing your child wrong, you are going to do something to correct it. If you cannot correct it, is your choice to accept it, or will you push through and stick it out all on the line for the cause of bringing awareness and change?

I see this teacher as clearly doing just that. However I have no idea he had tried anything else in order to bring this issue to light. Either way, it was effective and it is driving debate.

Question everything.

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Wow, you guys are twisted. Sorry but my children will not be exposed to pornography. I know for sure now that neither of you have children. It's scary to think that there are people on this board who are ok with showing children pornography. This is what's wrong with society.

So for the record Black Dog and Guyser do you guys have children?

I'd like to know what sort of parents would plop their toddler down in front of the tv to watch pornography or to have sex in front of them. This is child abuse, plain and simple.

I'm not outraged. I just cannot believe that people here are ok with exposing small children to sexual intercourse. Isn't this child abuse?

My children are enrolled in Catholic Board so none of this effects me at all.

Oh good grief. Do you not grasp what we were talking about? I was asking why you think it's so wrong to introduce children to the concept of sex at an age as young as 5, while guyser was pointing out the difficulty in keeping kids from being exposed to sex in this day and age. Nobody said f.a. about showing kids pornography, not sure how you made that leap, but whatever.

Anyway, you still haven't answered the simple question of why it's so terrible to introduce kids to the concept of sex.

A 5-year old should be told only the three things they need to know:

- where babies come from

- the name of their body parts

- that they are right to say so if they don't want adults to touch them.

That's a good starting point. But people should be prepared to also answer any questions that arise from these discussions, even if they get into uncomfortable territory. Unfortunately, it seems many parents are poorly equipped to handle this aspect of child rearing.

It's interesting how godless socialist hellholes that have comprehensive sex ed from the early stages of child education do so much better on sexual health issues like teen pregnancies and sexually transmitted diseases than places where sex ed is left to the parents or hushed up with abstinence only programs.

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It's interesting how godless socialist hellholes that have comprehensive sex ed from the early stages of child education do so much better on sexual health issues like teen pregnancies and sexually transmitted diseases than places where sex ed is left to the parents or hushed up with abstinence only programs.

Interesting. do you have the proof for me to read. i need it for a class.

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When I was 8 I still thought babies were caused by men & women kissing and thought babies came out of the woman's ass. True story.

I really don't know whether this is true or not. I have a hard time believing it. It's not on the CBC so I kind of suspect this is some kind of made up story. I don't trust Sun News.

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/2012/09/20120927-112308.html

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I really don't know whether this is true or not. I have a hard time believing it. It's not on the CBC so I kind of suspect this is some kind of made up story. I don't trust Sun News.

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/2012/09/20120927-112308.html

Wow this is going too far. The TDSB says it is removing the links to these sites as we speak. I tried to find them and they are already gone.

here is a link from the Toronto Star.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/education/article/1263495--tdsb-pulls-its-web-link-to-sexuality-sites-online

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Wow this is going too far. The TDSB says it is removing the links to these sites as we speak. I tried to find them and they are already gone.

here is a link from the Toronto Star.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/education/article/1263495--tdsb-pulls-its-web-link-to-sexuality-sites-online

But leave it to Sun News to do an anti-public school piece. Honestly, to think someone might believe this crap.

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/1865123715001#1865121048001

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Wow this is going too far. The TDSB says it is removing the links to these sites as we speak. I tried to find them and they are already gone.

here is a link from the Toronto Star.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/education/article/1263495--tdsb-pulls-its-web-link-to-sexuality-sites-online

Too far ? Huh ? Didn't you want them gone ?

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It's a judgement call on you as a parent to know or I guess feel what is right for you and your child.

??? I can't even answer the question without a frame of reference though ???

Q: How much control can you give up as a parent ?

Response: How do you measure control ?

There is no discussion here until you explain to me how that is measured.

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No it's too far that they would have a site like that liked from the TDSB site but not surprising.

Your quote:

"Wow this is going too far. The TDSB says it is removing the links to these sites as we speak. I tried to find them and they are already gone."

You already knew that it was there when you posted that, because we had been posting about it on this thread...

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??? I can't even answer the question without a frame of reference though ???

Q: How much control can you give up as a parent ?

Response: How do you measure control ?

There is no discussion here until you explain to me how that is measured.

We entrust educators to eduacate our children in a reasonable manner. They are abusing that trust by sneaking things under the radar. Why disn't they discuss these measures at the PTA meeting? They could have but didn't.

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A 5-year old should be told only the three things they need to know:

- where babies come from

- the name of their body parts

- that they are right to say so if they don't want adults to touch them.

A 5 year old isn't being taught about sex, they are being taught about families, as Jacee pointed out early in the thread. Families are a common topic in the early years, and it is important that all the children's family structures are recognized and valued. So kids learn about traditional families, single parent families, same sex families, blended families, etc., because of the diversity in the classroom. No one is telling them what goes on behind the closed bedroom door.

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A 5 year old isn't being taught about sex, they are being taught about families, as Jacee pointed out early in the thread. Families are a common topic in the early years, and it is important that all the children's family structures are recognized and valued. So kids learn about traditional families, single parent families, same sex families, blended families, etc., because of the diversity in the classroom. No one is telling them what goes on behind the closed bedroom door.

I don't know if it's acceptable to tell kids that young about same sex couples and blended families, whatever the hell that is.

I don't think they can process that information at that young age. Shouldn't children be busy playing and being a kid rather then becoming a political pawn in the socialist game?

Is there any pushing of same sex families as being the greatest option? Are traditional families talked about as being bad? Don't the children make fun of the same sex child? I know that in my day we would've made fun of that child, probably would've beaten them up. That would've been wrong of course as kids are cruel sometimes.

I'm asking you Melanie since you are an educator and I value your opinion.

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I don't know if it's acceptable to tell kids that young about same sex couples and blended families, whatever the hell that is.

I don't think they can process that information at that young age. Shouldn't children be busy playing and being a kid rather then becoming a political pawn in the socialist game?

Is there any pushing of same sex families as being the greatest option? Are traditional families talked about as being bad? Don't the children make fun of the same sex child? I know that in my day we would've made fun of that child, probably would've beaten them up. That would've been wrong of course as kids are cruel sometimes.

I'm asking you Melanie since you are an educator and I value your opinion.

some educators such as melanie are more interested in social engineering.

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some educators such as melanie are more interested in social engineering.

This made me laugh so hard I almost spit coffee on my keyboard! Let me remind you of your own words, earlier in this thread...

i'm all for the state having more control over kids than parents. but how do you determine what is bad in order to get the state to remove those kids and put them into government foster care?

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??? I can't even answer the question without a frame of reference though ???

Q: How much control can you give up as a parent ?

Response: How do you measure control ?

There is no discussion here until you explain to me how that is measured.

Your frame of reference is your own experiences.

I cannot measure it myself, I have no children. But I believe it's a case by case scenario. How much control are you willing to give up? That is a line in the sand you can only draw based on your own experiences.

Some people are willing to give up everything and let the system and gadgets raise their children and tell them right from wrong. Some people are willing to give up no control and do it all themselves.

It's not something I can define for you, you as a parent must make that call based kn what you know and feel.

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some educators such as melanie are more interested in social engineering.

What you advocate for is complete social engineering. I want people who can think once they leave school. Not automatons that simply follow orders, smart enough to run the machines without asking why the machines need to run.

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I don't know if it's acceptable to tell kids that young about same sex couples and blended families, whatever the hell that is.

I don't think they can process that information at that young age. Shouldn't children be busy playing and being a kid rather then becoming a political pawn in the socialist game?

Is there any pushing of same sex families as being the greatest option? Are traditional families talked about as being bad? Don't the children make fun of the same sex child? I know that in my day we would've made fun of that child, probably would've beaten them up. That would've been wrong of course as kids are cruel sometimes.

I'm asking you Melanie since you are an educator and I value your opinion.

Blended families used to be called stepfamilies - its when a new family is created where one or both partners have children from a previous relationship.

The reality is, every time a child leaves their home and is in a public setting, they are being exposed to diversity. Kids learn about other kids' families in all sorts of ways, and it starts much younger than 5. In daycare settings, it is common to have pictures of the children and their families displayed; if a child has two mommies, their family picture is displayed alongside everyone elses'. The idea is not to push one as better than the other, but to have all children feel that their families are a valued part of the community. And people don't make fun of people they value, or beat them up.

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I don't know if it's acceptable to tell kids that young about same sex couples and blended families, whatever the hell that is.

I don't think they can process that information at that young age. Shouldn't children be busy playing and being a kid rather then becoming a political pawn in the socialist game?

Helping kids understand the world in which they live is making them a pawn in a socialist game? Yes, far better to keep them pig ignorant about such things. Better they learn about bizarre ritual cannibalism in Catholic school than dirty, nasty Ess Eee Ex.

Is there any pushing of same sex families as being the greatest option? Are traditional families talked about as being bad?

So you don't actually know anything about what's being taught then? Thanks for confirming.

Don't the children make fun of the same sex child? I know that in my day we would've made fun of that child, probably would've beaten them up. That would've been wrong of course as kids are cruel sometimes.

And yet you can't seem to fathom why it might be a good idea to teach kids about the realities of same sex families. Pathetic.

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Blended families used to be called stepfamilies - its when a new family is created where one or both partners have children from a previous relationship.

The reality is, every time a child leaves their home and is in a public setting, they are being exposed to diversity. Kids learn about other kids' families in all sorts of ways, and it starts much younger than 5. In daycare settings, it is common to have pictures of the children and their families displayed; if a child has two mommies, their family picture is displayed alongside everyone elses'. The idea is not to push one as better than the other, but to have all children feel that their families are a valued part of the community. And people don't make fun of people they value, or beat them up.

The way you explain it sounds very reasonable and I have no problem with that at all. Some people were making it sound as if they wanted small children watching hardcore porn, live sex acts and animal sex which isn't ok with me. Thanks for another great post.

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