Muslims in Toronto demand end to freedom of speech and expression.

[CANADIEN]

The Toronto Star, Maclean's Magazine, the National Post (Andrew Coyne in particular regularly appears on CBC), the Canadian Press and many other media outlets regularly send their journalists to the CBC as contributors for television segments (almost daily). Their business interests overlap in plain sight. This is not some sort of secretive collusion, it's out in the open for all to see. I remember the National Post also did a partnership with CBC to cover the 2010 Olympics. I could go on with many other examples, but what's the point? You have committed yourself to believing that the National Post and the CBC are arch competitors who operate from different ideological points of departure, when the truth is the opposite.

Oh the CBC's audacity. The CBC seeking alternate points of view. We cannot have that, can we?

[kraychik]

This is roughly Noam Chomsky's view, as well...which in fact is likely where you got it, from some reactionary plagiarizing Chomsky, but misreading the institutional analysis.

I read Manufacturing Consent and a couple of other ridiculous Chomsky tomes many years ago in university. I even endured the so-called documentary. It's funny how you try to present yourself as familiar with even the basics of political philosophy when in so many posts you reveal the fact that you're anything but. Why don't you go invoke Jonah Goldberg or start trying about Iran-Contra again? You're a one-trick pony.

[Fletch 27]

And an education for Bleeding... The Post ENDORSED Paul Martin OVER STeve Harper and was highly critical of Steve Harper.. They have continue the Liberal beating of the drum.

Its all over the "inter-web"

The Toronto Star, Maclean's Magazine, the National Post (Andrew Coyne in particular regularly appears on CBC), the Canadian Press and many other media outlets regularly send their journalists to the CBC as contributors for television segments (almost daily). Their business interests overlap in plain sight. This is not some sort of secretive collusion, it's out in the open for all to see. I remember the National Post also did a partnership with CBC to cover the 2010 Olympics. I could go on with many other examples, but what's the point? You have committed yourself to believing that the National Post and the CBC are arch competitors who operate from different ideological points of departure, when the truth is the opposite.

[kraychik]

Oh the CBC's audacity. The CBC seeking alternate points of view. We cannot have that, can we?

But they're not alternate points of view, that's the point. They're all in a consensus, and they provide the false impression of diversity of opinion. It's funny how you're now deflecting from your exposed ignorance of the very real partnerships that exists not just between the National Post and the CBC (which you pretend to be familiar with and believe represent opposing viewpoints) and alleging that it constitutes something of integrity.

So do you now withdraw your original assertion that the recognition of the CBC and the National Post working with one another and sharing business interests is a fairy tale? I'll take the above post of yours as a concession of ignorance.

Edited September 25, 2012 by kraychik

[kraychik]

And an education for Bleeding... The Post ENDORSED Paul Martin OVER STeve Harper and was highly critical of Steve Harper.. They have continue the Liberal beating of the drum.

Its all over the "inter-web"

Bleeding Heart and the other leftists think the National Post, which used to be slightly conservative with a pro-Israel bent is the same publication its always been. It changed ownership some years ago, and this was directly connected with its shift to the left. Back when it was owned by Izzy Asper it was different. I think Bleeding Heart and Canadien think Izzy Asper is still alive and operating media...

[kraychik]

Hilariously, kraychik does indeed believe that the fascists were extreme leftists.

He's not alone...there are at least six or eight people with no education on the subject who think the same way.

I'm not the one lacking education in political science. You're projecting your own shortcomings onto me.

[bleeding heart]

I read Manufacturing Consent and a couple of other ridiculous Chomsky tomes many years ago in university.

You are in 100% agreement with his central thesis on the subject, although your agreement is promiscuously oversimplified, and you mistake the mainstream for "the left."

It's funny how you try to present yourself as familiar with even the basics of political philosophy when in so many posts you reveal the fact that you're anything but. Why don't you go invoke Jonah Goldberg or start trying about Iran-Contra again? You're a one-trick pony.

That you repeat yourself continually--roughly word-for-word--in virtually all your posts, and that your only two subjects are Muslims and some overarching entity you call "the Left" (and repeated claims about my lack of knowledge, as you sooth yourself to this cherished song) makes this "one-trick pony" assertion a little rich, doesn't it?

[kraychik]

Stop Online Piracy Act, now who authored this bill?

So you think freedom of speech and expression is a guarantee to steal intellectual property? Another fountain of wisdom from the left, you are!

Republican Leaders Push for a National Ban on Most Porn

- August 29, 2012 1:59 PM

As part of its national platform, the Republican party is pushing for strict enforcement of existing anti-obscenity laws, which would effectively prohibit many kinds of pornography.

Let's see a link to this, please. Perhaps you think criminalising child pornography is a bad idea?

And nazism is a left wing product....

Of course it is.

[bleeding heart]

And an education for Bleeding... The Post ENDORSED Paul Martin OVER STeve Harper and was highly critical of Steve Harper.

Endorsing Martin over Harper does not constitute being of "the left"...sweet Godzilla on His Throne, you guys deem everyone to the left of Pinochet a leftist radical!

[bleeding heart]

I'm not the one lacking education in political science. You're projecting your own shortcomings onto me.

Rinse and repeat eh?

Ever got anything new, kraychik?

Or have you missed the last couple episodes of weepy little Glenn Beck?

[CANADIEN]

But they're not alternate points of view, that's the point. They're all in a consensus, and they provide the false impression of diversity of opinion. It's funny how you're now deflecting from your exposed ignorance of the very real partnerships that exists not just between the National Post and the CBC (which you pretend to be familiar with and believe represent opposing viewpoints) and alleging that it constitutes something of integrity.

So do you now withdraw your original assertion that the recognition of the CBC and the National Post working with one another and sharing business interests is a fairy tale? I'll take the above post of yours as a concession of ignorance.

We must not be watching the same CBC, then. I watch the real one.

And you will notice that my assertion is that the National Post is not a leftist newspaper. Something most people notice every time they read it. That journalist from that paper are sometimes commentators offering an alternate point of view on CBC is not, no matter how you put it, proof of an ideological alignment.

Unless of course, one's definition of leftist is anyone who is to the left of you.

[Fletch 27]

Hmm, I cant see where i called them "Left"... Its a Liberal Biased Program tailoring to ANYTHING other than the Tories.. Its the NDP this term as the Libs are a dead and sunk ship.

Endorsing Martin over Harper does not constitute being of "the left"...sweet Godzilla on His Throne, you guys deem everyone to the left of Pinochet a leftist radical!

[guyser]

So you think freedom of speech and expression is a guarantee to steal intellectual property? Another fountain of wisdom from the left, you are!

That SOPA would be used to suppress freedom of speech (and thats according to recording artists and labels) it is relevant.

But I wouldnt expect you to understand.

Let's see a link to this, please. Perhaps you think criminalising child pornography is a bad idea?

Why Its a self evident truth ! You know , but wont admit, far more Rep (especially the christian ones) want to ban pornography.

But hey, keep on embarassing yourself.

Hang on here comes another red faced moment...

Of course it is.

No one agrees, and that includes professors and other smart people.

Stupid people....well, they spout ignorance all the time

[Black Dog]

It's a comment on the leftist nature of the majority of the Canadian media landscape. The story is being ignored, and you're posting a smiley as if what I said isn't true. Media bias is revealed just as much by what ISN'T covered as it is by what IS covered. God forbid someone actually acknowledge the pervasive leftist bias of the Canadian media landscape!

Odd: I read about this protest in the weekend Toronto Star.

[bleeding heart]

Hmm, I cant see where i called them "Left".

That was the theme under discussion, to which you jumped in and responded.

I can't help it if you don't read threads for the context of what you are agreeing or disagreeing with.

Its the NDP this term as the Libs are a dead and sunk ship

Oh...the National Post is now endorsing the NDP, is it?

A link would be nice, as this seems rather counterintuitive.

[bleeding heart]

No one agrees, and that includes professors and other smart people.

Stupid people....well, they spout ignorance all the time

I've already cited several well-known scholars on fascism...and linked to many others.

This was pretty offensive to him, as evidence has a liberal bias, apparently.

But he thinks all scholarship is leftwing anyway...he gets his info from the proper sources: those who have not studied or read widely on the subject, at all.

It's the only way to get to the truth, since everybody who studies the subject is wrong, and a biased lefty radical.

I mean...even our own DogonPorch (that crazed commie) took kraychik to task on this particular embarassing bit of wanton ignorance.

Edited September 25, 2012 by bleeding heart

[Fletch 27]

Please, Can we keep this as a debate and can you please refrain from putting words in anyones mouth?

Should i NOT have a voice in this? There is an NDP forum for your liking im sure on the web where you can all enjoy a biased discussion about the NDP.

Please stop putting words in peoples mouthes or trying to silence another opinion. Its childish

That was the theme under discussion, to which you jumped in and responded.

I can't help it if you don't read threads for the context of what you are agreeing or disagreeing with.

Oh...the National Post is now endorsing the NDP, is it?

A link would be nice, as this seems rather counterintuitive.

[kraychik]

We must not be watching the same CBC, then. I watch the real one.

And you will notice that my assertion is that the National Post is not a leftist newspaper. Something most people notice every time they read it. That journalist from that paper are sometimes commentators offering an alternate point of view on CBC is not, no matter how you put it, proof of an ideological alignment.

Unless of course, one's definition of leftist is anyone who is to the left of you.

A spattering of non-leftist op-eds doesn't change the fact that the National Post is a leftist newspaper. As the saying goes, even a broken clock is correct twice a day. You must be another one of those leftists who views himself as a "centrist" or "moderate". So on the odd occasion that you read the National Post (twice a year, maybe?), you agree with it, and consider it objective reporting because it reinforces your own narratives and worldview, which you view as objective.

[bleeding heart]

Please, Can we keep this as a debate and can you please refrain from putting words in anyones mouth?

Should i NOT have a voice in this? There is an NDP forum for your liking im sure on the web where you can all enjoy a biased discussion about the NDP.

Please stop putting words in peoples mouthes or trying to silence another opinion. Its childish

No, you're being a dishonest debater, which is childish. Let's revisit the discussion, since you can't even follow your own posts:

1. You said that the NP has endorsed Harper;

2. I responded that this wasn't proof of "leftism";

3. You countered that the endorsement is "...the NDP this term as the Libs are a dead and sunk ship"

Now, it might well be that this isn't what you meant.

But it's what you said, logically, given the context of the conversation.

And that's not my fault.

And by the way, what the hell is this?:

Should i NOT have a voice in this?

What are you talking about?

Who is stopping you?

What is it with you guys, thinking that everytime someone disagrees with you they are stifling you?

The fact is that if you are looking for total agreement on every single one of your opinions, you're going to have to visit Stormfront or some other far-right site.

Everywhere else, people are going to dispute you.

Grow up and take it like a man.

Edited September 25, 2012 by bleeding heart

[Fletch 27]

Oye-Vey.....

[kraychik]

Odd: I read about this protest in the weekend Toronto Star.

And the CBC and the National Post didn't cover it. Neither did the Ottawa Citizen or the Globe and Mail. I don't read French news, so I can't comment on that.

[Michael Hardner]

A Muslim is a Muslim. There are no degrees thereof as there is in Freemasonry..

A radical is a radical. Specificity is for clarification only, possibly as to motivation.

An extremist is an extremist. Regardless the political/religious/diet or sport.

An Islamist is a Muslim except if other Muslims say they aren't.

A tomato is a fruit.

I'm not sure if I should get into this any further.........

Out of context, this just isn't relevant to me. Let me get this straight now - a Muslim is a Muslim right ?

Some people have been brave enough in their foolishness to say that they actually want to stop immigration from this or that religion. If that's what we're talking about, then let's say that.

And then we can talk about why that's a stupid idea.

Next, we can talk about what any other purposes there could be to pointing out this, and other bad behavior of religious people.

[kraychik]

That SOPA would be used to suppress freedom of speech (and thats according to recording artists and labels) it is relevant.

But I wouldnt expect you to understand.

Ok, so you can't explain yourself. Got it.

Why Its a self evident truth ! You know , but wont admit, far more Rep (especially the christian ones) want to ban pornography.

But hey, keep on embarassing yourself.

Why don't you just show us the link to your quote from your earlier post? Let's see what types of pornography and in what circumstances the Republicans are (according to you) trying to ban. Context matters.

[Mr.Canada]

Blasphemy is against Canadian law. Curse it! Section 296 of the Canadian Criminal Code makes it an indictable offence for anyone to publish a blasphemous libel. The maximum sentence is ostensibly a term of imprisonment not to exceed two years.

A Muslim is a Muslim. There are no degrees thereof as there is in Freemasonry..

A radical is a radical. Specificity is for clarification only, possibly as to motivation.

An extremist is an extremist. Regardless the political/religious/diet or sport.

An Islamist is a Muslim except if other Muslims say they aren't.

A tomato is a fruit.

I'm not sure if I should get into this any further.........

I'm with Michael on this one from the PoV that not all of one religion is the same across the board.

Is a Jehovah's Witness the same as a Catholic? Are Protestants and Catholics the same? What about Snake Charming baptists from the south? They're all Christians but definitely not all the same.

[Fletch 27]

Im sure we would be fine if only 95% of Islamist are "Islamist extremeist".... We should keep the gates open for the remaining 5% cuz they are nice.

If 95 percent of Islamist in Canada support Sharia Law, we should go with the Majority and allow that as well.. The other 5% will simply need to adapt in the community. Those 5% are nice too

Out of context, this just isn't relevant to me. Let me get this straight now - a Muslim is a Muslim right ?

Some people have been brave enough in their foolishness to say that they actually want to stop immigration from this or that religion. If that's what we're talking about, then let's say that.

And then we can talk about why that's a stupid idea.

Next, we can talk about what any other purposes there could be to pointing out this, and other bad behavior of religious people.