Boges Posted August 14, 2012 Report Posted August 14, 2012 (edited) http://www.torontosun.com/2012/08/13/egg-yolks-almost-as-unhealthy-as-cigarettes-study LONDON, Ont. – Yolk or smoke — the first is almost as bad for you as the second, London researchers have found. But the egg lobby very much disagrees.When it comes to raising your risk of heart attacks and strokes, eating egg yolks is nearly as bad as smoking, the Western University researchers found. "If you are at risk of heart attack and stroke, you shouldn't eat egg yolks," said Dr. David Spence, a Robarts Research Institute scientist. "The problem is, if you expect to live a long time, you are going to be at risk of heart attacks and strokes," said Spence. "Why would you want to be eating something that makes the plaque in your arteries build up faster and make your heart attack and stroke come on sooner?" The Western researchers studied 1,231 patients, using ultrasound to measure the plaque build-up on the inside walls of their arteries. Most heart attacks and strokes are caused when the built-up plaque ruptures. Patients in the study filled out questionnaires about their lifestyle and medications, including their consumption of egg yolks and cigarettes. While the build-up of plaque was a straight-line increase for people after age 40, it rose exponentially for smokers and regular egg-yolk eaters. Researchers also found people eating three or more egg yolks a week had significantly more plaque on their artery walls than those eating two or fewer yolks a week. Eating yolks triggered plaque build-up at two thirds the rate for people who are smokers. "In the long haul, eggs are not OK for most Canadians," Spence said. Why don't scientists just come out and say unless your diet consists of nothing but almonds, kale, broccoli and blueberries you're going to die early. Aren't there foods like apples and multi-grains that help control cholesterol? was that taken into consideration. What about the type of cholesterol. From reading the report, not the study, this finding sounds more like a correlation vs a causation argument. But it's studies like this that make you turn a deaf ear to dietary recommendations because they are always so inconsistent. Why not just eat moderate amounts relatively healthy food and stay active? I know, easier said than done Eggs are such an inexpensive source of protein that don't have that much calories, trying to convince people not to eat them will be hard I'd think Edited August 14, 2012 by Boges Quote
wyly Posted August 14, 2012 Report Posted August 14, 2012 http://www.torontosun.com/2012/08/13/egg-yolks-almost-as-unhealthy-as-cigarettes-study Why don't scientists just come out and say unless your diet consists of nothing but almonds, kale, broccoli and blueberries you're going to die early. Aren't there foods like apples and multi-grains that help control cholesterol? was that taken into consideration. What about the type of cholesterol. From reading the report, not the study, this finding sounds more like a correlation vs a causation argument. But it's studies like this that make you turn a deaf ear to dietary recommendations because they are always so inconsistent. Why not just eat moderate amounts relatively healthy food and stay active? I know, easier said than done Eggs are such an inexpensive source of protein that don't have that much calories, trying to convince people not to eat them will be hard I'd think at my age it's too late for change my lifespan has already been decided there's no undoing all the dietary and lifestyle damage... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Wild Bill Posted August 14, 2012 Report Posted August 14, 2012 http://www.torontosun.com/2012/08/13/egg-yolks-almost-as-unhealthy-as-cigarettes-study Why don't scientists just come out and say unless your diet consists of nothing but almonds, kale, broccoli and blueberries you're going to die early. Aren't there foods like apples and multi-grains that help control cholesterol? was that taken into consideration. What about the type of cholesterol. From reading the report, not the study, this finding sounds more like a correlation vs a causation argument. But it's studies like this that make you turn a deaf ear to dietary recommendations because they are always so inconsistent. Why not just eat moderate amounts relatively healthy food and stay active? I know, easier said than done Eggs are such an inexpensive source of protein that don't have that much calories, trying to convince people not to eat them will be hard I'd think Once again, this is why I am skeptical of such studies. Almost always they are flawed in the manner you describe. They restrict the factors to prevent any contradictions. I used to think this was deliberate to skew the results in favour of an agenda but I have come to a simpler explanation. The people involved just don't know any better! They are products of a system that no longer teaches people critical or scientific thinking. The centre cannot hold... Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
GostHacked Posted August 14, 2012 Report Posted August 14, 2012 Cholesterol is good for the brain. Quote
Topaz Posted August 14, 2012 Report Posted August 14, 2012 IF the person is already eating healthy, I disagree with the report. Now, for people who do have a problem with their cholesterol there are omega3 eggs, where the chickens are feed flax seed instead of corn. Now a days, if a person goes to the dr. with high cholesterol numbers, they automatically put them on the "statins" drugs. They DO work but they also cut or stop the production of cholesterol which one body needs for brain, nerve and hormone function. Quote
bleeding heart Posted August 14, 2012 Report Posted August 14, 2012 No one should eat eggs anyway...only because they're terrible. Broccoli too. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Boges Posted August 14, 2012 Author Report Posted August 14, 2012 No one should eat eggs anyway...only because they're terrible. Broccoli too. Terrible as in, you don't like the taste of them? I don't mind Broccoli, Cauliflower is gross though. Quote
bleeding heart Posted August 14, 2012 Report Posted August 14, 2012 Terrible as in, you don't like the taste of them? "Don't like" is too generous, but yes. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
guyser Posted August 14, 2012 Report Posted August 14, 2012 (edited) No one should eat eggs anyway...only because they're terrible. Broccoli too. psssh ! Eggs are the best. Sunny up , plate of home fries and bacon, toast with a side order of a couple of smokes and some coffee! Breakfast of chanpions. Boges, roast the cauliflower w a lil olive oil. Very tasty, same goes for brussels sprouts Edited August 14, 2012 by guyser Quote
The_Squid Posted August 14, 2012 Report Posted August 14, 2012 Scientists report what they find. Just because it doesn't match your eating habits/lifestyle doesn't mean that the findings are flawed! Quote
Boges Posted August 14, 2012 Author Report Posted August 14, 2012 Scientists report what they find. Just because it doesn't match your eating habits/lifestyle doesn't mean that the findings are flawed! Yeah but this study doesn't prove eggs cause heart attacks. What other factors are being ignored in the people with high plaque build-up in their arteries. What about activity and other good foods that mitigate excessive cholesterol production. Quote
bleeding heart Posted August 14, 2012 Report Posted August 14, 2012 psssh ! Eggs are the best. Sunny up , plate of home fries and bacon, toast with a side order of a couple of smokes and some coffee! Breakfast of chanpions. Leave out the first six words, and you're dead on! Except maybe the smokes, wonderful as they are...I still miss them. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
guyser Posted August 14, 2012 Report Posted August 14, 2012 Leave out the first six words, and you're dead on! Dont know a soul who doesnt like eggs. Except maybe the smokes, wonderful as they are...I still miss them. Hopefully I am not missing them soon. Have got to quit....have got to quit....have got to quit....keep telling myself to convince myself. Apart from the daily 4 that are good, the rest suck even tho I light up. Quote
The_Squid Posted August 14, 2012 Report Posted August 14, 2012 Yeah but this study doesn't prove eggs cause heart attacks. What other factors are being ignored in the people with high plaque build-up in their arteries. What about activity and other good foods that mitigate excessive cholesterol production. WTF?? "If you are at risk of heart attack and stroke, you shouldn't eat egg yolks," said Dr. David Spence, a Robarts Research Institute scientist. What part of this man's statement do you not understand? Does he have to write it out for you in smaller words? "at risk of heart attack" means you are not healthy and probably have other risk factors. Quote
bleeding heart Posted August 14, 2012 Report Posted August 14, 2012 (edited) Dont know a soul who doesnt like eggs. Well, we could quibble about whether or not you "know" me...but at any rate, at least in a sense, you do know one! (And I have met a few. We're like a secret club, either stubborn or with more refined tastes than the planet's majority.) Have got to quit....have got to quit....have got to quit....keep telling myself to convince myself. That is exactly the method, and the only one. I smoked for thirty years--heavily--so I believe anyone can do it. (But I assure you I am not one of those unbearable, evangelical ex-smokers. They're the worst.) Edited August 14, 2012 by bleeding heart Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Boges Posted August 14, 2012 Author Report Posted August 14, 2012 (edited) WTF?? "If you are at risk of heart attack and stroke, you shouldn't eat egg yolks," said Dr. David Spence, a Robarts Research Institute scientist. What part of this man's statement do you not understand? Does he have to write it out for you in smaller words? "at risk of heart attack" means you are not healthy and probably have other risk factors. He also said that everyone over 40 has an increased risk of heart attack and stroke. So basically they are always bad for you. Edited August 14, 2012 by Boges Quote
The_Squid Posted August 14, 2012 Report Posted August 14, 2012 He also said that everyone over 40 has an increased risk of heart attack and stroke. So basically they are always bad for you. And perhaps they are. Like I said, just because it doesn't fit your lifestyle doesn't make it not true. Do you also point to the 92 year old man who smoked for 50 years and yell "see? see??? smoking health effects are exerger... exasper... exajer... not so bad!!" Quote
guyser Posted August 15, 2012 Report Posted August 15, 2012 Well, we could quibble about whether or not you "know" me...but at any rate, at least in a sense, you do know one! (And I have met a few. We're like a secret club, either stubborn or with more refined tastes than the planet's majority.) I know one!! Woot! That is exactly the method, and the only one. I smoked for thirty years--heavily--so I believe anyone can do it. (But I assure you I am not one of those unbearable, evangelical ex-smokers. They're the worst.) I hope I can do it when the time comes! Quote
Topaz Posted August 15, 2012 Report Posted August 15, 2012 You know in another 20 years from now, they will have the same statement,but it will be MacDonalds, Wendy's, Burger King etc. burgers! Quote
Guest Derek L Posted August 15, 2012 Report Posted August 15, 2012 psssh ! Eggs are the best. Sunny up , plate of home fries and bacon, toast with a side order of a couple of smokes and some coffee! Breakfast of chanpions. Boges, roast the cauliflower w a lil olive oil. Very tasty, same goes for brussels sprouts We agree I just hope the Cigarettes will cancel out the eggs like an integer: (+a) + (-a) = 0 Quote
jbg Posted August 15, 2012 Report Posted August 15, 2012 Unless it's an omelet, I like my eggs over, medium. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
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