cybercoma Posted June 9, 2012 Report Share Posted June 9, 2012 (edited) Not only has Harper slashed environmental protections in the budget, but Fisheries Minister Keith Ashfield has announced to the media that there will be more cuts to the DFO on their way. This is on top of the 1000 layoff notices already issued, the majority coast guard and emergency response teams. Not only is this a detriment to the environment, but to the safety of anyone that goes to the coasts during the summer for leisure. Don't get into trouble on the water because the Conservatives have left you for dead. Edited June 9, 2012 by cybercoma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted June 9, 2012 Report Share Posted June 9, 2012 Ummm..that's not what it says. There have been no real cuts to SAR, though there was one consolidation in Vancouver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted June 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 Ummm..that's not what it says. There have been no real cuts to SAR, though there was one consolidation in Vancouver. There have been cuts to coast guard, which respond to accidents and incidents on the water. This will drastically reduce response times and that's just one aspect of this mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPCFTW Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 Who would have thought balancing the budget would require cuts?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 Who would have thought balancing the budget would require cuts?!? Yet no new revenues. Well aside from the EI they plan on stealing from right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPCFTW Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 Yet no new revenues. Well aside from the EI they plan on stealing from right? Yawn. Canadian taxpayers aren't the lower class' ATM machine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 (edited) Yawn. Canadian taxpayers aren't the lower class' ATM machine. I have no clue what you are talking about. If it comes down to you think we should cut everything the government does and pay no taxes then there is no common ground to be found with you. Edited June 10, 2012 by punked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 There have been cuts to coast guard, which respond to accidents and incidents on the water. This will drastically reduce response times and that's just one aspect of this mess. No, there have not been cuts to SAR services. The cost guard is also getting a giant infrastructure injection in terms of new vessels. You're wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 No, there have not been cuts to SAR services. The cost guard is also getting a giant infrastructure injection in terms of new vessels. You're wrong. Actually there nas been in Vancouver with the closing of the Kits base. Coverage for Vancouver harbour will now have to come from Sea Island which is 17 nautical miles from the busiest port in the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 Actually there nas been in Vancouver with the closing of the Kits base. Coverage for Vancouver harbour will now have to come from Sea Island which is 17 nautical miles from the busiest port in the country. There will be another boat at Sea Island (the one from Kits). There's obviously a reason for the consolidation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameron Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 A question for you all. When the Liberals made bigger cuts in 1996, how did that affect Canadian departments? Surely it must have been worse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 There will be another boat at Sea Island (the one from Kits). There's obviously a reason for the consolidation. So what, it's still in the wrong place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti-Am Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 Actually there nas been in Vancouver with the closing of the Kits base. Coverage for Vancouver harbour will now have to come from Sea Island which is 17 nautical miles from the busiest port in the country. I read an article about students replacing the professionals for this summer? Is that true? Because that is dangerous for the students and whoever gets in trouble out there on the water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 I read an article about students replacing the professionals for this summer? Is that true? Because that is dangerous for the students and whoever gets in trouble out there on the water. That's the plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 So what, it's still in the wrong place. How do you know? Maybe that's a better place for it. Why would they move it just because? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 How do you know? Maybe that's a better place for it. Why would they move it just because? Good question. No one can find anyone on the west coast who was consulted about the closure. All done by the Ottawa bean counters as far as anyone can tell. How many cuts were made there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 Good question. No one can find anyone on the west coast who was consulted about the closure. All done by the Ottawa bean counters as far as anyone can tell. How many cuts were made there? You mean, the people in Ottawa with the actual statistics on said stations? And I don't know if you've heard, but the cuts are happening across the board where they do the least damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti-Am Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 And I don't know if you've heard, but the cuts are happening across the board where they do the least damage. Can you explain how laying off trained professionals and hiring students to perform rescues out at sea is going to do the least damage. Please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 Can you explain how laying off trained professionals and hiring students to perform rescues out at sea is going to do the least damage. Please. Could you explain how repositioning a boat us necessarily a negative? There's a reason it's being moved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 You mean, the people in Ottawa with the actual statistics on said stations? And I don't know if you've heard, but the cuts are happening across the board where they do the least damage. I mean the people in Ottawa who don't consult anyone who has to live with the consequences of their decisions. There is no way Sea Island could come close to matching the response times for calls in English Bay or Vancouver harbour without using a helicopter. Neither as cost or operationally effective. In some weather conditions it is debatable whether they could respond at all. This along with trying to bulldoze pipelines and tankers through the port will cost this government in the next election. Triple tanker traffic through the port and close its only Coast Guard station. Now there's a plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti-Am Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 Could you explain how repositioning a boat us necessarily a negative? There's a reason it's being moved. On this forum do we answer questions with questions? Because that would get us nowhere. Now I asked you a question, I'd appreciate an reply, please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 On this forum do we answer questions with questions? Because that would get us nowhere. I've been here long enough to know how to answer a question on this forum. We don't know the exact rationale behind the decision to move the boat. To assume that CCG didn't really think it through is pretty naive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 Could you explain how repositioning a boat us necessarily a negative? There's a reason it's being moved. Locally the reason given it generally regarded as bullshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 I mean the people in Ottawa who don't consult anyone who has to live with the consequences of their decisions. Like who? They probably consulted the actual usage statistics and realized that consolidation would give them a better ability to respond to a wider area, even if they can't get to the area in Vancouver as fast on water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 Locally the reason given it generally regarded as bullshit. I don't really care how it's regarded. Is it right? I would think the CCG should know that better than anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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