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The Jays must be wondering if Travis- a young man after all- is durable enough to be their second basemen.   Goins cannot hit.  Barney is an able utility guy for the infield but not an everyday hitter.  So yes, they should be thinking about a middle infielder.

 

They should devote huge effort to the giant sucking sound of their  bullpen, in every possible way.  The approach of 'we win only if we get 7 innings every day from our starter ' is equally as stupid and demonstrably failed as 'we win only  if somebody hits a 3 run homer'  In general, their bullpen sucks.  Lets not get started on Cecil  .......and please God let us not depend on two pensioners for so  much in the pen this year.

 

We need two outfielders by my count, unless you think Upton/Pompey/Carrerra are adequate replacements for Bautista and Saunders, and will carry the Jays to a Series.

 

Money is not an issue in Boston, LA , NYY.  Stromans trade value is severely diminished after this season.  Not nothing at all like EE and Bats, but greatly diminished for sure. 

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31 minutes ago, overthere said:

The Jays must be wondering if Travis- a young man after all- is durable enough to be their second basemen.   Goins cannot hit.  Barney is an able utility guy for the infield but not an everyday hitter.  So yes, they should be thinking about a middle infielder.

 

They should devote huge effort to the giant sucking sound of their  bullpen, in every possible way.  The approach of 'we win only if we get 7 innings every day from our starter ' is equally as stupid and demonstrably failed as 'we win only  if somebody hits a 3 run homer'  In general, their bullpen sucks.  Lets not get started on Cecil  .......and please God let us not depend on two pensioners for so  much in the pen this year.

 

We need two outfielders by my count, unless you think Upton/Pompey/Carrerra are adequate replacements for Bautista and Saunders, and will carry the Jays to a Series.

 

Money is not an issue in Boston, LA , NYY.  Stromans trade value is severely diminished after this season.  Not nothing at all like EE and Bats, but greatly diminished for sure. 

No team is going to be perfect everywhere. Adding another middle infielder when you already have 4 is not where they need to focus their attention. At least not in Free Agency. They made it to the playoffs in 2015 with Goins. Travis deserves one last shot because he's a bonafide leadoff man with pop. 

You conveniently forgot Pillar in your equation for the outfield. I think Carrera has earned a chance to be an every day player. So you have Upton and Pompey. The #1 priority is to bring in a left-handed outfield bat. I'm really hoping for Dexter Fowler. Remember the Indians made it to Game 7 of the World Series trotting out Rajai Davis in their outfield (interestingly he's a Free Agent)

I think Stroman is at least a #2 on many teams, especially in the NL. You're just looking to shore up your outfield if you deal him. I think Biagini has earned a shot at the starting rotation, and what of Osuna, does he really want to spend his career as a closer? 

As for the Bullpen, It was fine in the playoffs, even with Benoit and Liriano hurt. They lost the ALCS because they were old and they couldn't hit in key spots. What's conveniently forgotten is that the Indians didn't produce a lot of runs either. No more than 4 in any of the 5 games. The first two games were pitching duels. I think bullpen is 3rd on the list of things they may need to do, and even then I would resist spending a lot of money brining a bullpen guy. Remember Storen, Chavez and Floyd? All busts, but two old guys and a Rule 5 Pick did the job. 

But hey maybe Rogers can open the purse-strings to sign Aroldis Chapman, who knows? 

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Four middle infielders?  They have one that is a lock - Tulo.  Goins has proven conclusively that he cannot hit.  Barney has proven that he is a useful utility guy, not an everyday starter anywhere.  Travis is a major wild card for them, his history of serious serial injury is an obvious red flag.

 

When did I forget Pillar?  I said the Jays need two starting outfielders, because they do.  Saunders and Bautista are gone.  Or should be.  That leaves Upton, Pompey, Carrerra- pick two out of  those three and you have a substandard OF.  Oh, and Pillar really needs to pick up his on base percentage.

 

LOL on Stroman.  He got hit very very hard many games last year.  Last spring you were touting him as the Ace, the heir to Roger Clemens.  His challenge now is  to move up from #4, his ERA last year nosed Dickey by a hair.  I don't think you trade him, but he is on the bubble. His career path right now looks a lot more like Ricky Romero than Roy Halliday.

 

The Jays bullpen is not far from complete crap as presently constituted, and going to get worse if Biagini starts next year.

 

 

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On 18 November, 2016 at 1:55 PM, overthere said:

 

Jays signed utility player Steve Pearce today. 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/pearcst01.shtml

Decent stats for playing in less than 100 games for two teams last year. He'll platoon lefty-righty with Justin Smoak at first and play the outfield in a pinch. 

There's actually no place for Edwin on the team now. Apparently he turned down 20 mil/4 years from the Jays. Honestly anymore than that is better spent elsewhere. 

They've largely replaced Edwin with two players making less than of what they offered EE combined. 

Another Outfielder is a must. Dexter Fowler is still on the radar. Backup Catcher is also essential.  

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Edwin signs for 3 years at $20 mil with Cleveland. Rumour is that the Jays initially offered him 4 at $20 mil. Edwin turned it down thinking he'd get something better so the Jays signed Morales as the DH and Steve Pearce as a platoon player at 1B with Justin Smoak.

So Edwin had to "settle" for the contract he got. 

No one is offering Joey Bats anything close to what he wants. Apparently the Jays haven't even tabled anything beyond what the qualifying offer is. Dexter Fowler took a 5 year contract with the Cardinals so the Jays still have two gaping holes in the outfield, so I think if Bautista is willing to humble himself, he could come back to the Jays. 

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What an utterly disastrous off season for the Jays.  Unless Shapiro and Atkins somehow extract their heads from deep within their colons in a big hurry, the Jays will be both older and significantly weaker to start the season.

 

Their chance to win is shrinking as their core ages. It is absolutely f**king bizarre to waste a mid roster spot on Bautista, again.  Prediction:  they going to spend the season platooning part timers Bats, Pearce, Kendricks and Smoak to find some RBIs and players that can catch the ball, and are not hurt all the time.  And to pay Bats  close to what EE, the real prize, got from the Indians.  Equally galling and unforgiveable is that they spent little of their enormous Rogers profits from the Jays on making the team better in the cheapest free market seen for many years..

 

The Jays are treating their fans like a piece of dog shit stuck to a cleat.

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Getting younger just doesn't happen with a wave of the wand or pocket book unless you want to bring up players that don't appear to be ready. No team is going to volunteer young talent that helps the Jays for expensive veterans. If they truly wanted to get younger then that requires a Toronto Maple Leaf blow up where you get rid of Tulo, Martin, JoDo, Estrada, Happ and every other north of 30 player for some great young talent. I think Atkins sees this core being here for another 2 years, so what's the harm in bringing back Bautista for a year or two, while the window is still theoretically open. 

I heard that the Jays made a huge push to trade for Andrew McCutcheon but they didn't have the farm system capital to pry him from the Pirates (Thanks AA!!!). Missing out on Dexter Fowler was sad, but given him a 5 year deal is way too much. 

If anything, having Bautista back will allow him to prove himself. Apparently he only gets a second year if both parties agree upon it. They still need another outfielder, unless they think Carerra can move up to being an every day player. Also, a backup catcher is essential. Russell Martin is playing in the World Baseball Classic for Canada. . . he's playing Shortstop. One of the big reason's the Jays floundered was that Martin was just too tired because the Jays could only give him a break when Dickey was pitching. 

 

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1 hour ago, overthere said:

The Jays are treating their fans like a piece of dog shit stuck to a cleat.

They gave Edwin the best offer he got. They just didn't wait around to find out it was the best offer. You'd be murdering the Jays if a team offered Edwin a 5 year contract and another team swooped in to take Morales while they were waiting. 

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Morales can hit, he's no Edwin but he softens the blow a bit.  The Jays needed to resign Bautista.  They needed a bit like his, or else what chance did they have for 2017?.  A 1-year deal with a mutual option for 2018 is pretty good, it's not like they got suckered into signing a 36 year old hitter to a 2 or 3 year deal like some teams.  His best years are  behind him, but the man can likely still hit.

Edwin was a just a bad situation. But he's 34 y/o, he's not going to hitting like he did last year when he's 37 or 38 years old on a 4-year deal.  Bye bye birdie.  DH is the easiest position to replace with a good hitter.

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The signing of Bautista makes the Jays worse, not better.  WTf do we want with a guy hitting .220 who cannot field, often hurt,  and whose sense of macho means he will pout when he is not wasting space at leadoff or third in the order?  His stupid, confrontational sense of rage with the umpires at every at bat is contagious too.  And Gibbons will just let him do it while playing him every day because he does not want to hurt a veterans feelings.

 

The Jays got seriously worse with losing Encarnacion.  They got a bit worse by losing Saunders.  worse by losing Cecil.  Worse by signing Loup.  Dickey doesn't matter, (except of course they gave up Travis D1Arnaud and Noah Synndergarden  for him what was that you were saying about not being able to trade young for old???)They signed an old man in Grilli.  Floyd is LOL. They got better by dumping Thole.  Pearce and Kendricks together don't begin to match Encarnacion on the field or at the plate.

 

The Jays needed to be better, since they were  clearly close to being a championship contender, but were beaten easily enough by the Royals and then the Indians.

 

The jays this off season needed to get more left handed.  They failed to do that pitching, big time, and probably failed at the plate too with Kendricks replacing Saunders.  They needed to get more athletic overall, failed there.  They needed a backup catcher that can play a lot of games for a tired and gimpy and old Martin- didn't happen.  They needed to upgrade at both corner outfield positions, moved backwards on that totally.

 

Overall, that is a clear and unequivocable string of gross mismanagement.  Jays made a shitload of money the last few seasons., so it cannot be money.  Free agents were cheap this winter, including one they really wanted and needed in EE.  That leaves the idiocy of Shapiro and Atkins.  The Jays had nearly all the pieces and have likely now missed their window to win. because of these clowns.  What is also really f+++king annoying is watching all those fools/talking heads on Sportsnet pretending they don't have orders from Big Daddy Rogers to put a shine on this nonsense with 'analysis' that pretends losing EE and signing has- beens/part timers  like they did tis winter.  Its embarrassing for these 'journalists'.

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The signing of Bautista makes the Jays worse, not better.  WTf do we want with a guy hitting .220 who cannot field, often hurt,  and whose sense of macho means he will pout when he is not wasting space at leadoff or third in the order?  His stupid, confrontational sense of rage with the umpires at every at bat is contagious too.  And Gibbons will just let him do it while playing him every day because he does not want to hurt a veterans feelings.

 

The Jays got seriously worse with losing Encarnacion.  They got a bit worse by losing Saunders.  worse by losing Cecil.  Worse by signing Loup.  Dickey doesn't matter, (except of course they gave up Travis D1Arnaud and Noah Synndergarden  for him what was that you were saying about not being able to trade young for old???)They signed an old man in Grilli.  Floyd is LOL. They got better by dumping Thole.  Pearce and Kendricks together don't begin to match Encarnacion on the field or at the plate.

 

The Jays needed to be better, since they were  clearly close to being a championship contender, but were beaten easily enough by the Royals and then the Indians.

 

The jays this off season needed to get more left handed.  They failed to do that pitching, big time, and probably failed at the plate too with Kendricks replacing Saunders.  They needed to get more athletic overall, failed there.  They needed a backup catcher that can play a lot of games for a tired and gimpy and old Martin- didn't happen.  They needed to upgrade at both corner outfield positions, moved backwards on that totally.

 

Overall, that is a clear and unequivocable string of gross mismanagement.  Jays made a shitload of money the last few seasons., so it cannot be money.  Free agents were cheap this winter, including one they really wanted and needed in EE.  That leaves the idiocy of Shapiro and Atkins.  The Jays had nearly all the pieces and have likely now missed their window to win. because of these clowns.  What is also really f+++king annoying is watching all those fools/talking heads on Sportsnet pretending they don't have orders from Big Daddy Rogers to put a shine on this nonsense with 'analysis' that pretends losing EE and signing has- beens/part timers  like they did tis winter.  Its embarrassing for these 'journalists'.

First of all, the team's payroll has gone up. Want it to go up to $200 mil? They own their broadcasting rights so the money they make there is shifting money from one pocket to another. 

2nd who would you have signed and for how much? The Washington Nationals had to sell the farm to trade for Adam Eaton, a player who's OBP percentage is comparable to Bautista. And free agents were NOT cheap in regards to areas of need. Dexter Fowler got 5 Flipping years!!! Brett Cecil got a $30 mil contract. 

This isn't Atkins and Shapiro's fault, it's AA's fault. He went all in in 2015 and it almost worked. But in doing so, he got rid of almost all of the Jays usable talent. So now they can't trade for a player of need like say Joey Votto or Andrew McCutcheon. Those moves helped them going on a pretty impressive run but only Tulo is still on the team. So all that talent given up has only given them one player they can move forward with. 

And regarding EE, you assumed he wasn't going to be re-signed anyway. Atkins/Sharpiro did the prudent thing by signing his replacement (for half the price) without knowing that the market for him had cratered. At least they got the draft pick, which we're finding out was a major hindrance in him getting a deal. Ditto with Bautista. The Jays gave him the best offer he got, so it's hard to fault them here. 

Now Bautista had a down year mostly because of injuries. He doesn't have a track record for nagging injuries, the ones he's had have been of the freak kind. With the dearth of outfield options in Free Agency, he is probably the best option available. What would be nice, is if a player they do have in the farm can come up and be a contributor on the big club. We're still waiting for Dalton Pompey to be something. 

If they suck or are average this season, then we'll see a re-build, with them trying to unload players with soon expiring contracts that can help someone else.

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They own their broadcasting rights

Rogers made tons of new money on attendance, merchandise and advertising increases off the Jays.  That is not reflected in results from new management.

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And regarding EE, you assumed he wasn't going to be re-signed anyway.

The Jays totally f+++ked up the EE and JB situations in spring 2016 or earlier. Nothing they did after with either player mitigated that clown show. Really man, aren't you completely full of that KoolAuid by now???  The result on EE is this sum: the Jays lost a great player, and got nothing.  The result on Bautista: the Jays had a very valuable asset in spring 2016.  In spring they have a vastly7 diminished asset that they are overpaying to keep a few fans, the ones who don't understand his lack of value, happy seeing him not hit, drop balls, throw bats in the dugout when he fails, and whine at umpires for another long year.

 

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This isn't Atkins and Shapiro's fault, it's AA's fault

Nope.  Shapiro has had two trading season to make the Jays better.  The result: the Jays were worse last year than the year before.  And they are worse right now than they were at the end of last season.  Their roster is weaker.  The team is worse.That is on them.

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he is probably the best option available

LOL.  Only if your need is to kiss ass with Jays Nation Inst4ead of making your contending team(2015) into a championship(2016 and 2017) team.  That was doable when Shapiro took over, very unlikely now..  And again, the conduct of Jays analysts every day now on Sportsnet is utterly pathetic.

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It'd be a little more credible if you present some alternative options. Like Outfielders or Left handed pitching they should have overpaid for. Do you know of a better back up catcher available? 

It's still shocking that you believe, after seeing the way the market for them cratered this off season for them, that a fair trade would have been on the table last Spring for either EE or Bautista. Considering no team was willing to give EE more than 3 years (except the Jays) after a career year, it's laughable to assume that teams were willing to give a usable piece to a team trying to unload a set of players on their walk years. 

It's an easy opinion because you can assume there was a trade on the table without any evidence. It takes two to tango there. 

I also seriously doubt that this team comes close to the playoffs last season without either player. A first round draft pick for EE is nothing to sneeze at The compensatory pick is also the reason no teach would touch Bautista. 

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Provide credible  alternatives now, a couple weeks before camp opens?  No, that would be called magic.  The alternatives are available at the beginning of the free agent season, the entirety of which Shapiro sat on his thumb except for signing a few mutts that cannot make this team better- which is pretty much his entire purpose.  When players like Cecil and Saunders and Encarnacion signed elsewhere, and nobody worthwhile filled any of the holes in the Jays lineup -the entire clusterf##k of this and last offseason was defined..

 

Did Shapiro make the Jays better last off season?  Nope, the results say they were worse in 2016, and there play on the field was not nearly good enough to contend for Series or even be  in a Series.  Did he make the team better this offseason?  Nope, he did not sign anybody that is going to matter in the supposed quest to win.

 

In reality the Jays are just a branch of Rogers Corporate , and they don't care as long as seats, beer and merchandise sell.  But the real story of the Jays came last week, when news broke that Rogers had lost a cool half a billion of the flop of their Internet TV gong show, a huge writedown.

 

I expect to see the Jays shedding assets that are going to cost them big in coming years., like Donaldson.  It is not about the team , it is about the money.

 

I pay attention to what the Jays actually do, not what the touts and pimps on Sportsnet spew.  I love baseball and I wish the Jays all the best, but they are not going anywhere with this lineup.  And the responsibility for that sits solidly on Shapiro and Atkins.  I hope I am wrong, but I fully expect the Jays to be selling big at the trade deadline.

 

Saltamacchia to backup a tired and worn stud like Martin.  Wow.  This nonsense has become entirely typical.

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On 28 January, 2017 at 6:53 PM, overthere said:

Provide credible  alternatives now, a couple weeks before camp opens?  No, that would be called magic.  The alternatives are available at the beginning of the free agent season, the entirety of which Shapiro sat on his thumb except for signing a few mutts that cannot make this team better- which is pretty much his entire purpose.  When players like Cecil and Saunders and Encarnacion signed elsewhere, and nobody worthwhile filled any of the holes in the Jays lineup -the entire clusterf##k of this and last offseason was defined..

So tell me some of the options they had and let pass? They made a move for Dexter Fowler, he got 5 years. They made an offer for Edwin, but didn't want to be holding the bag. They didn't want Saunders anymore. He ended up going to the Phillies, so no contending teams wanted him either. They thought so little of Saunders that they didn't even give him a Qualifying offer because he wouldn't be worth the $17 mil that would entail. Cecil got 8 mil a year, do you think he's worth 8 mil a year? 

Had AA not left the cupboard so bare, maybe they could trade for useable talent, but their system is bare. A player like Adam Eaton was traded for prospects the Jays simply don't have. They offered a lot of young talent for Andrew McCutcheon, not enough talent however. All this while teams like Boston can trade several prospects for a player like Chris Sale, because their GM didn't go all in for one run at the playoffs. But by all means, blame a management team who had no say in the farm system they inherited. 

You're a baseball fan but don't seem to get the idea that teams that want to trade their veteran players don't want aging veterans in return, they want controllable prospect. The Jays have a dearth of that. 

I think the Jays pitching was much better last season but their offence comparably dried up. Now the starting pitching is largely the same with no innings concerns for Aaron Sanchez, but two older pitchers that are coming off amazing seasons, can they keep it up? We'll see. 

 

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So tell me some of the options they had and let pass?

You want me to list all available free agents , and all trade prospects in MLB at the end of last season?  No thanks.

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But by all means, blame a management team who had no say in the farm system they inherited. 

Ah, the Jays apologist trifecta!   They can trade, they can sign free agents.  They just don't.  Of course the Jays have assets.  How do you get to the playoffs twice without them?  Yet again- they had two whoppers available and anxious to leave last spring and they got nada for both.... Less than nothing since they now are overpaying Bautista and he'll waste a middle roster spot.

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You're a baseball fan but don't seem to get the idea that teams that want to trade their veteran players don't want aging veterans in return, they want controllable prospect. The Jays have a dearth of that

LOL, I have no idea why you keep stating this.... The Jays traded Tulo for Reyes.  They traded Wells for Napoli, then Napoli for Fransisco, and there are countless other examples of veterans for veterans involving many teams.  Where do you get this silly idea that getting vets must involve prospects?  What WINNING tea,ms do is fill their gaps.  Not in Toronto under these clowns!!  I suspect AA is quietly laughing now.

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 their offence comparably dried up.

LOL.  Their offence returned to normal in 2016.   Since the management has failed to fill the holes the Jays still have: lack of left everywhere, lack of speed/athleticism, mediocre bullpen, and nobody to backfill an aging/ exhausted catcher- it is folly to expect the results to be better this year when the team is clearly not better.  Other teams prepare, the Jays hope.  It is sad and laughable.  They are  indisputably not better than last year or 2015, but what remains a mystery is why?  Only two possibilities:  management sucks, or they have had big budget constraints.  I think it is heavily weighted to the former. 

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You want me to list all available free agents , and all trade prospects in MLB at the end of last season?  No thanks.

How about more than one? OR one you'd have done if you were GM. 

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Ah, the Jays apologist trifecta!   They can trade, they can sign free agents.  They just don't.  Of course the Jays have assets.  How do you get to the playoffs twice without them?  Yet again- they had two whoppers available and anxious to leave last spring and they got nada for both.... Less than nothing since they now are overpaying Bautista and he'll waste a middle roster spot.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that. Because there's no way to prove that the Jays could have made themselves better by dealing those two or even that there was a trade to be made. 

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LOL, I have no idea why you keep stating this.... The Jays traded Tulo for Reyes.  They traded Wells for Napoli, then Napoli for Fransisco, and there are countless other examples of veterans for veterans involving many teams.  Where do you get this silly idea that getting vets must involve prospects?  What WINNING tea,ms do is fill their gaps.  Not in Toronto under these clowns!!  I suspect AA is quietly laughing now.

I can speak to the Tulo/Reyes trade that they gave up Jeff Hoffman (FIRST ROUND PICK!!!) and got a 43 year old reliever that retired after the 2015 season in return. David Price was picked up for 2 starting pitching prospects as a Rent a player. AA is laughing now, he stripped the team bare and took his ball and went to LA. 

This takes me back to the first point. As mentioned Andrew McCutcheon could not be traded for with what the Jays have. Who can be traded? 

The Boston trade for Chris Sale was full of prospect. The Yankees unloaded Aroldis Chapman for Many Prospects then gave him a huge contract in the offseason. 

Apparently the Jays are looking at trading for David Robertson. He's the White Sox closer. 

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We'll have to agree to disagree on that. Because there's no way to prove that the Jays could have made themselves better by dealing those two or even that there was a trade to be made. 

Yet you think the Jays made themselves better by getting absolutely nothing for Encarnacion, and are somehow improved by signing creaky, miserable old team cancer Bautista to occupy a central roster spot and play right field for $17+ million.  LOL. And Shapiro is just doing great by not filling any of the numerous roster holes he had, many of which were there all season in 2016, the rest which he created by his own failures to act.

 

Since nobody trades vets for vets in your theory, and the Jays have no prospects, how can the Jays ever sign David Robertson or any vet?

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On 1 February, 2017 at 3:32 PM, overthere said:

Yet you think the Jays made themselves better by getting absolutely nothing for Encarnacion, and are somehow improved by signing creaky, miserable old team cancer Bautista to occupy a central roster spot and play right field for $17+ million.  LOL. And Shapiro is just doing great by not filling any of the numerous roster holes he had, many of which were there all season in 2016, the rest which he created by his own failures to act.

 

Since nobody trades vets for vets in your theory, and the Jays have no prospects, how can the Jays ever sign David Robertson or any vet?

I do think Bautista will play 1B a lot this year. That leaves the Outfield to 3 of Carrera, Pillar, Upton and Pearce and Bautista in a pinch. 

You keep saying they got nothing for EE. They got a first round pick which can be valued at $10 million. That's why it was difficult for EE or Bautista to get a deal, they had to give the Jays a pick. 

The holes have been filled. JP Howell, Joe Smith, Jose Tabata. None of these are known quantities but neither was Jason Grilli or Joe Biagini when they were picked up. 

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2 Weeks to opening day.

The Starting Rotation is set, it will be the team's strength. 

Bautista has had a pretty good Spring, so has Kendrys Morales. 

Obvious weakness is at first and left, both position Steve Pearce can play. But we have yet to see him this Spring yet. Justin Smoak has had a rough Spring but Shapiro will give him a shot in April. Kendrys Morales has been available to play the field more this year. With Eric Hosmer being on his previous team, playing 1B was rarely needed, with the Jays it probably will be. 

The huge concern is Devon Travis, he may not start the season. We'll have Barney and Goins like in previous years but neither are clear leadoff men. 

In Left we'll see Carrera get a shot at starting with Upton being platooned like last year.

The Bullpen is a moving target, we have no idea who'll make the team down the stretch. Does Biagini go back to the Bullpen, or does he go to Buffalo as a backup starter? 

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Well they can't hit. Starting pitching is still very good, but if they can't hit who cares. Age has caught up to this team. 

My optimism looks really foolish now. Even if they do rebound and approach .500, it's clear their age is going to make a run in August and September unlikely. 

If this continues they'll definitely need to unload whoever they can for more prospects, AND give prospects a chance to hit, because these old guys (Bats, Tulo, Martin etc) clearly are not going to cut it. 

Jays brass are gonna be really worried now that the Leafs and Raptors are in the playoffs. If the Leafs can miraculously beat the Capitals, you'll probably have playoffs going on into at least Mid-May. 

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