maple_leafs182 Posted May 11, 2012 Report Share Posted May 11, 2012 I know most of you will say this is wishful thinking but according to Ben Swann, none of the delagates are actually bound to vote for any candidate so the delegates can vote for whomever they want. Ron Paul just recently won Minnesota, Maine and Nevada. He still may have a chance to win the nomination, if not, I think he will still shake the republican party up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewTeddy Posted May 12, 2012 Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 (edited) Ron Paul just recently won Minnesota, Maine and Nevada. This joke is hilarious Edited May 12, 2012 by TheNewTeddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted May 12, 2012 Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 I know most of you will say this is wishful thinking but according to Ben Swann, none of the delagates are actually bound to vote for any candidate so the delegates can vote for whomever they want. But by convention, they very often go with what was voted for. All heck would break loose if not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewTeddy Posted May 12, 2012 Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 Besides, they won't go for Paul, or even Santorum, or Gingrich. If Romney were to kick the bucket, suddenly names like Palin come back into play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted May 12, 2012 Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 Ah ha, thread is funny because it's impossible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted May 12, 2012 Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 Ah ha, thread is funny because it's impossible. Agreed. I am from the U.S. Let me explain. Our system, for Presidential elections, is "first past the post", on steriods. With certain small-state exceptions (I think Nebraska and Maine or maybe just Maine), 100% of the electoral votes go to the winner in each state. Thus, the ability to develop a small cadre of extremely devoted followers means nothing. And that's who votes in some of these small states' primaries. And btw Romney got Nevada, not Paul. As for the convention Romney either has or after California will have a mathematical majority in the convention. The delegates are committed to their candidate for at least the first ballot. Under the rules, therefore, Romney wins. A Ron Paul, or for that matter a Svend Robinson does much better in a proportional representation country. This, if I organize the "JBG Party" and I get the triggering percentage of votes, usually 3%, I get a certain number of seats in Parliament. Then, if the party with a plurality wants to organize a government, and say needs two or three more members, the "JBG Party" has a chance to wedge its way into the government. In a "first past the post" or single-member district system, the "JBG Party" would be a goner. Thus, those rallies where throngs of idiots are cheering wildly for Ron Paul are sound and fury, signifying nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewTeddy Posted May 12, 2012 Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 Ron Paul has not won ANY states EVER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted May 12, 2012 Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 Ron Paul has not won ANY states EVER He has won 5 states according to RNC rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Manny Posted May 12, 2012 Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 Even if Ron Paul doesn't win anything specifically, it does not stop him. For him, it's more about spreading his ideas. It's about the MOVEMENT. Ron Paul Gains Supporters in RNC Leadership Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleeding heart Posted May 12, 2012 Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 Even if Ron Paul doesn't win anything specifically, it does not stop him. For him, it's more about spreading his ideas. Which ones? That America needlessly meddles in others' affairs? Or that tax is evil? Or that Ayn Rand was actually, despite all evidence, intelligent? Or that black people suck? He's got so many ideas that it's difficult to keep track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted May 12, 2012 Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 He's got so many ideas that it's difficult to keep track. God forbid someone might have more than one idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maple_leafs182 Posted May 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 And btw Romney got Nevada, not Paul. Ron Paul won a majority of the delegates in nevada. As for the convention Romney either has or after California will have a mathematical majority in the convention. The delegates are committed to their candidate for at least the first ballot. Under the rules, therefore, Romney wins. This is why I posted the video saying the delegates are in fact not bound. Thus, those rallies where throngs of idiots are cheering wildly for Ron Paul are sound and fury, signifying nothing. Fuck off, just because you support an anti establishment candidate, that doesn't make you an idiot. I'm not even going to bother responding to the guy who said Ron Paul hates black people, that guy is just ignorant. Also, the people who say Paul hasn't won any states are ignorant too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted May 12, 2012 Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 (edited) Even if Ron Paul doesn't win anything specifically, it does not stop him. For him, it's more about spreading his ideas. It's about the MOVEMENT. Ron Paul Gains Supporters in RNC Leadership Sort of like spreading Santorum? See thread. Edited May 12, 2012 by jbg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleeding heart Posted May 12, 2012 Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 God forbid someone might have more than one idea I admit it was not a particularly inspired joke...but it was a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleeding heart Posted May 12, 2012 Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 (edited) Fuck off, just because you support an anti establishment candidate, that doesn't make you an idiot. He is less of an establishment candidate than what is usual (as was Kucinich)...but he is still in most ways an establishment candidate. Or else we would not be discussing him at this moment. He is an elected official; therefore, he must bow to institutional, establishment forces. By definition. He also advocates letting people die from lack of available health care. But only the poor, of course; they're the only ones he actually despises, to my knowledge. Which is to say that your golden boy is a knuckledragging elitist, who wishes to diminish what is in fact a strong and vibrant healthcare system in the United States. This particular lunacy of his is a reactionary view, as you must know--fringe, in fact, anathema not only to most liberals but to most conservatives as well...since they are more decent than Mr. Paul is, his affable persona notwithstanding (and irrelevant). He's a dink, in short. I'm not even going to bother responding to the guy who said Ron Paul hates black people, that guy is just ignorant. He despises them, or else he's not too concerned with what is said in his name, and with his implicit blessing. At the very least, the racism incident denotes political incompetence. Edited May 12, 2012 by bleeding heart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-TSS- Posted May 12, 2012 Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 Besides, they won't go for Paul, or even Santorum, or Gingrich. If Romney were to kick the bucket, suddenly names like Palin come back into play. I never thought about such a scenario. Indeed, what would happen if a nominee for presidential-election died before the election and at a stage he/she wouldn't have yet picked a running-mate? I think scenarios like this point out the weakness in a political system where you elect persons instead of parties. If a party-leader dies in the middle of an election-campaign there is always the deputy or the party has some procedure as to how to move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 12, 2012 Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 I never thought about such a scenario. Indeed, what would happen if a nominee for presidential-election died before the election and at a stage he/she wouldn't have yet picked a running-mate? The nominating party would just convene another convention and pick another candidate. The VP selection does not automatically become presidential election nominee. I think scenarios like this point out the weakness in a political system where you elect persons instead of parties. If a party-leader dies in the middle of an election-campaign there is always the deputy or the party has some procedure as to how to move on. I disagree...in some countries, the party leadership is already dead (politically) but he/she still leads the party! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewTeddy Posted May 12, 2012 Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 He has won 5 states according to RNC rules. I'll believe it when I see it, or as they say on wikipedia, citation needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted May 12, 2012 Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 (edited) I'll believe it when I see it, or as they say on wikipedia, citation needed. Citation is not needed but here you go. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgqueilR-2U&feature=g-u-u BTW this does not mean Paul is going to win. Although it does mean they can put him on the ballot and he can get a prime time speech, he can pass some pretty crazy party planks all of which will strengthen his cause. Edited May 12, 2012 by punked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewTeddy Posted May 12, 2012 Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/ron-paul-wins-maine-nevada-delegates/story?id=16296075 Fuck. What the hell? I didn't believe you because it sounded like bullshit. Excuse my swearing, but this is worth it... what the hell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted May 12, 2012 Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/ron-paul-wins-maine-nevada-delegates/story?id=16296075 Fuck. What the hell? I didn't believe you because it sounded like bullshit. Excuse my swearing, but this is worth it... what the hell? I agree it does sound like bullshit. That is how broken the system is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted May 12, 2012 Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 God forbid someone might have more than one idea In this case,more than one infantile and ridiculous idea... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted May 12, 2012 Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 He is less of an establishment candidate than what is usual (as was Kucinich)...but he is still in most ways an establishment candidate. Or else we would not be discussing him at this moment. He is an elected official; therefore, he must bow to institutional, establishment forces. By definition. He also advocates letting people die from lack of available health care. But only the poor, of course; they're the only ones he actually despises, to my knowledge. Which is to say that your golden boy is a knuckledragging elitist, who wishes to diminish what is in fact a strong and vibrant healthcare system in the United States. This particular lunacy of his is a reactionary view, as you must know--fringe, in fact, anathema not only to most liberals but to most conservatives as well...since they are more decent than Mr. Paul is, his affable persona notwithstanding (and irrelevant). He's a dink, in short. He despises them, or else he's not too concerned with what is said in his name, and with his implicit blessing. At the very least, the racism incident denotes political incompetence. I don't know if Paul is an elitist... I suspect he's an infantile fool who thinks the "free" market is the most perfect thing in the world and if it functions "correctly" everything will work out. It seems to me that this is the basis for all his advocacy for "more freedom"...This seems to be the vein running through almost all of his messaging. It brings into question who might be behind Paul and also likes what he says...I highly doubt it's individuals who "want their country back from Big Government"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleeding heart Posted May 12, 2012 Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 I don't know if Paul is an elitist... I suspect he's an infantile fool who thinks the "free" market is the most perfect thing in the world and if it functions "correctly" everything will work out. It could be...there can be innocent libertarians who really believe in the perfectability of man through free market ideology. The problem or one of them, is that almost every libertarian loves Ayn Rand...who is explicitly elitist, and proudly so. And I can't believe that Doctor Ron Paul is unaware that his favoured philosophy is going to hurt the poor disproportioantely. By definition. So I think he is an elitist. It's just that he thinks elitism is "the natural order." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Manny Posted May 12, 2012 Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 Which ones? That America needlessly meddles in others' affairs? Or that tax is evil? Or that Ayn Rand was actually, despite all evidence, intelligent? Or that black people suck? He's already distanced himself from those media reports about him not liking black people, but the msm, and folks like yourself just keep bringing that one up. What else should he do about it? I would only approve of some of his ideas, not all of them, much like I would with any politician. Only a partisan fool agrees with everything a politician says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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