stopstaaron Posted April 9, 2012 Report Posted April 9, 2012 (edited) Lets face it, the chances of us getting attacked by the Russians or Americans for our natural resources would go drastically down if we attained our own nuclear weapons .. and we would not need all of these jets should we nuke up? I say yes we should Edited April 9, 2012 by stopstaaron Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy.
Shady Posted April 9, 2012 Report Posted April 9, 2012 I think we should produce at least one nuclear missile. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted April 9, 2012 Report Posted April 9, 2012 (edited) Lets face it, the chances of us getting attacked by the Russians or Americans for our natural resources would go drastically down if we attained our own nuclear weapons .. and we would not need all of these jets should we nuke up? I say yes we should Great idea. We'll need some F-35s for weapon deployment. :lol: Edited April 9, 2012 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
stopstaaron Posted April 9, 2012 Author Report Posted April 9, 2012 We sure as heck would not need 65 jets! Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy.
DogOnPorch Posted April 9, 2012 Report Posted April 9, 2012 We sure as heck would not need 65 jets! Of course not...just one and you can be the pilot! Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
stopstaaron Posted April 9, 2012 Author Report Posted April 9, 2012 Of course not...just one and you can be the pilot! if i were the pilot I think the plane would accidently go down over Alberta lol Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy.
Signals.Cpl Posted April 9, 2012 Report Posted April 9, 2012 Lets face it, the chances of us getting attacked by the Russians or Americans for our natural resources would go drastically down if we attained our own nuclear weapons .. and we would not need all of these jets should we nuke up? I say yes we should During the cold war, I believe there was a lot of protests over Americans stationing nuclear missiles on Canadian soil, Can you imagine the actual public outcry if it was suggested? Try convincing people we need a nuclear power submarine before nuclear weapons. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
eyeball Posted April 9, 2012 Report Posted April 9, 2012 I think we should produce at least one nuclear missile. We just need a few suitcase nukes. Great idea. We'll need some F-35s for weapon deployment. :lol: Purolator would probably be a lot cheaper. Why would you need an F-35 to deliver a suitcase? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
stopstaaron Posted April 9, 2012 Author Report Posted April 9, 2012 During the cold war, I believe there was a lot of protests over Americans stationing nuclear missiles on Canadian soil, Can you imagine the actual public outcry if it was suggested? Try convincing people we need a nuclear power submarine before nuclear weapons. I would not want American nukes here either.. people would feel better about it if it were Canadian made nukes Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy.
DogOnPorch Posted April 9, 2012 Report Posted April 9, 2012 (edited) During the cold war, I believe there was a lot of protests over Americans stationing nuclear missiles on Canadian soil, Can you imagine the actual public outcry if it was suggested? Try convincing people we need a nuclear power submarine before nuclear weapons. The beloved Arrow...armed with nukes????? Say it ain't so. Most Canadians under a certain age are purely unaware of Canada's romance with the Bomarc and the Genie. Edited April 9, 2012 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
stopstaaron Posted April 9, 2012 Author Report Posted April 9, 2012 Getting nuked by Canada .. that would be humiliating to any country that's the best detterent we'd have Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy.
Shady Posted April 9, 2012 Report Posted April 9, 2012 We just need a few suitcase nukes. Suitcase nukes are not nearly as effective, and don't provide a military deterrent. Those would be fine if we wanted to keep our capabilities a secret. But I'd want to make sure everyone knows that we have nuclear missile capability. Quote
Signals.Cpl Posted April 9, 2012 Report Posted April 9, 2012 Getting nuked by Canada .. that would be humiliating to any country that's the best detterent we'd have Try selling that to the Canadian Public. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
stopstaaron Posted April 9, 2012 Author Report Posted April 9, 2012 Try selling that to the Canadian Public. we should at least have a national debate Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy.
DogOnPorch Posted April 9, 2012 Report Posted April 9, 2012 We just need a few suitcase nukes. Purolator would probably be a lot cheaper. Why would you need an F-35 to deliver a suitcase? Suitcase nuke...lol. Whatcha planning? Blowing-up the back sand lot? Deterent equal thermonuclear weapon...not puny l'il fission pop tarts. We'll need a few smart Jews. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Signals.Cpl Posted April 9, 2012 Report Posted April 9, 2012 we should at least have a national debate My personal opinion is that Canada does not need nuke's. If it ever came to using them there is more then enough between Russia and US and our contribution will not add much to our death. Realistically a well balanced military serves as a deterrent, can be used in an offensive war, or peacekeeping. And aside from the traditional duties related to war, there is disaster response and such duties. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
eyeball Posted April 9, 2012 Report Posted April 9, 2012 Suitcase nukes are not nearly as effective, and don't provide a military deterrent. We don't need a military deterrent because there are no military threats to respond to. Just like there is no imaginary crime wave. Those would be fine if we wanted to keep our capabilities a secret. But I'd want to make sure everyone knows that we have nuclear missile capability. Why? Our capabilities are already well known. In fact the most powerful country on Earth just asked that we stop producing enriched uranium. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bleeding heart Posted April 9, 2012 Report Posted April 9, 2012 I'm with Signals.Cpl on this one. We have no need for nukes. "Our contribution will not add much to our death," lol, just so! I'd go further, and suggest that everyone should stop producing nukes, period, though I understand that's a pipe dream. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Guest American Woman Posted April 9, 2012 Report Posted April 9, 2012 We don't need a military deterrent because there are no military threats to respond to I hear this so often - how Canada has nothing to worry about, it will never be attacked - and I can't help but think of the old saying "ignorance is bliss." Unfortunately, bliss does not provide a very effective defense; however, if Canada were attacked, the U.S. and NATO would be on board. Quote
Signals.Cpl Posted April 9, 2012 Report Posted April 9, 2012 I'm with Signals.Cpl on this one. We have no need for nukes. "Our contribution will not add much to our death," lol, just so! I'd go further, and suggest that everyone should stop producing nukes, period, though I understand that's a pipe dream. I have hope that it will happen. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
Guest Derek L Posted April 9, 2012 Report Posted April 9, 2012 Of note, the estimated cost of replacing the United Kingdom’s nuclear deterrent (around 150-200 warheads) is close to 20 billion pounds, or more then the cost of both our National Shipbuilding plan and the F-35 combined……..And they have had the corporate knowledge for decades, and still relied heavily on the Americans. Quote
eyeball Posted April 9, 2012 Report Posted April 9, 2012 (edited) My personal opinion is that Canada does not need nuke's. If it ever came to using them there is more then enough between Russia and US and our contribution will not add much to our death. Realistically a well balanced military serves as a deterrent, can be used in an offensive war, or peacekeeping. And aside from the traditional duties related to war, there is disaster response and such duties. I can see a few defensive nukes to placate the unreasoning blind fear that being completely pacifist seems to cause in certain people. Seriously though the only real purpose our military serves anymore is to put a moral shine on the extremely questionable military adventures of our allies. I mean if the Hobbits are on your side how can you be in the wrong? I'd rather we project our moral force by with-holding our natural resources and stopping trade with nations who'd just as likely use those resources to build armies that intrude on and interfere in the affairs of other countries militarily. We're ultimately cutting our own throats by dealing with such rogue nations. Edited April 9, 2012 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bleeding heart Posted April 9, 2012 Report Posted April 9, 2012 I have hope that it will happen. It sure could happen, but the political will to stop is, perhaps perversely, more difficult than the will to continue. I suppose the current nuke-holders (a number far larger, and less stable than during most of the Cold War) might argue, not without justification, about "rogue states" acquiring them while everyone else is dismantling. A rational concern, no doubt. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Guest American Woman Posted April 9, 2012 Report Posted April 9, 2012 I have hope that it will happen. It'll never happen. There will never be that kind of trust in all of mankind, nor should there be. Quote
eyeball Posted April 9, 2012 Report Posted April 9, 2012 We don't need a military deterrent because there are no military threats to respond to I hear this so often - how Canada has nothing to worry about, it will never be attacked - and I can't help but think of the old saying "ignorance is bliss." Unfortunately, bliss does not provide a very effective defense; however, if Canada were attacked, the U.S. and NATO would be on board. Yes well, did you read what I posted about herons and eagles in other related threads? I doubt the herons live in bliss either but note they still get by just fine too. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
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