F-35 Purchase

[Guest Derek L]

I always thought it was in the Basin.

Nope, north of the base, between the bridges.....Unless the electoral districts boundaries have changed since I’ve lived there in the 80s (Well Dartmouth/Shearwater), it’s very much Halifax.

[Guest Derek L]

No signing the MOU gave us the right to bid on the work.

....And Canadian Companies and their workers are all ready building parts of the F-35....

[punked]

Nope, north of the base, between the bridges.....Unless the electoral districts boundaries have changed since I’ve lived there in the 80s (Well Dartmouth/Shearwater), it’s very much Halifax.

I'll have to check it out next time I am in Halifax.

[punked]

....And Canadian Companies and their workers are all ready building parts of the F-35....

Yes they are they are building a very small amount of the parts that total contracts are less then half of the money we spent just to get into the MOU. Never mind the aircraft purchase. Lets not pretend this is the Ship Building program because it isn't.

I should also point out because we went into the MOU we can still opt out of buying planes and bid on the building contracts of the jet parts.

Edited April 15, 2012 by punked

[Signals.Cpl]

They can predict how long they will be in the air for and what costs are associated with those flying hours. If the government decides to send them somewhere in the world to operate those flying hours that cost isn't associated with the plane it is associated with the mission. I don't think you understand what life cycle costing is by the way yo talk.

Salary costs increase when the aircraft and support personnel are deployed to dangerous war zone.

Aircraft use increases so does wear and tear.

I am pretty sure that the DND will be paying my salary from their budget when I deployed, including danger pay and all other associated costs like food, shelter and the supplies I need to do my job. The salaries of the troops in Afghanistan were paid by the DND budget not by extra government funds, maintenance of the damaged equipment was taken out of the budget for the DND.

[Guest Derek L]

I'll have to check it out next time I am in Halifax.

They're right on Barrington street (water side )big white buildings with blue lettering: Halifax Shipyard......

[punked]

Salary costs increase when the aircraft and support personnel are deployed to dangerous war zone.

Aircraft use increases so does wear and tear.

I am pretty sure that the DND will be paying my salary from their budget when I deployed, including danger pay and all other associated costs like food, shelter and the supplies I need to do my job. The salaries of the troops in Afghanistan were paid by the DND budget not by extra government funds, maintenance of the damaged equipment was taken out of the budget for the DND.

And all those extra costs would be in the life cycle costs of that project. The Afghanistan mission would have its own costing to figure out which would be comprised of those costings above and beyond the normal life cycle costs of something like a Jet.

[Guest Derek L]

Yes they are they are building a very small amount of the parts that total contracts are less then half of the money we spent just to get into the MOU. Never mind the aircraft purchase. Lets not pretend this is the Ship Building program because it isn't.

Of course they’re building small amounts currently, the aircraft is in only low rate initial production…….and make no mistake, the folks at P&W in Longueuil Quebec (Three NDP seats) are very eager to build thousands of engine components over the next 30 years.

[capricorn]

I should also point out because we went into the MOU we can still opt out of buying planes and bid on the building contracts of the jet parts.

Realistically though, countries still engaged in the F-35 development would get first crack at contracts for parts production.

[Signals.Cpl]

Seems to me that this argument is useless, as the NDP is just as ethically challenged if not more so then the conservatives, the only difference is that they pretend to be above it all.

The NDP is willing to send 100,000 Canadian Forces members to our deaths in order to score a few political points by twisting their actions to suit their current propaganda campaign to discredit the only government in the Developed world who has managed to hold the economy together. The NDP supporters are complete hypocrites with their ability to justify being angry about one project while happy about the other when they use the exact same principles to calculate the cost.

[punked]

Of course they’re building small amounts currently, the aircraft is in only low rate initial production…….and make no mistake, the folks at P&W in Longueuil Quebec (Three NDP seats) are very eager to build thousands of engine components over the next 30 years.

I am sure they are and I am sure that whole 2 Billion they get off contracts will really be equal to 9 or 11 or 25 or 50 Billion we spend. Again we signed the MOU so our businesses could bid on the work. If we deiced not to buy the plane P&W can still bid on the contracts because we signed the MOU.

[punked]

Realistically though, countries still engaged in the F-35 development would get first crack at contracts for parts production.

That wasn't the deal.

[punked]

Seems to me that this argument is useless, as the NDP is just as ethically challenged if not more so then the conservatives, the only difference is that they pretend to be above it all.

The NDP is willing to send 100,000 Canadian Forces members to our deaths in order to score a few political points by twisting their actions to suit their current propaganda campaign to discredit the only government in the Developed world who has managed to hold the economy together. The NDP supporters are complete hypocrites with their ability to justify being angry about one project while happy about the other when they use the exact same principles to calculate the cost.

Seems to me you are just make ridiculous blanket statements again no one agrees with.

We don't even have 100,000 active service members. What are you talking about again? You are just making stuff up again. Does someone who lives in a pretend world like you really get carry a gun and make the decision on when to use it? Honestly.

Edited April 15, 2012 by punked

[Signals.Cpl]

Seems to me you are just make ridiculous blanket statements again no one agrees with.

We don't even have 100,000 active service members. What are you talking about again? You are just making stuff up again.

Regular force, Reserve force, Rangers amount to 99,758 Canadian Forces Members, I am sorry I rounder up.

[punked]

Regular force, Reserve force, Rangers amount to 99,758 Canadian Forces Members, I am sorry I rounder up.

So your point is what again?

[Signals.Cpl]

Seems to me you are just make ridiculous blanket statements again no one agrees with.

We don't even have 100,000 active service members. What are you talking about again? You are just making stuff up again. Does someone who lives in a pretend world like you really get carry a gun and make the decision on when to use it? Honestly.

And you don't know anything you are talking about, maybe you should learn a fact or two before you argue.

http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/news-nouvelles/news-nouvelles-eng.asp?id=3792

[Signals.Cpl]

Seems to me you are just make ridiculous blanket statements again no one agrees with.

We don't even have 100,000 active service members. What are you talking about again? You are just making stuff up again. Does someone who lives in a pretend world like you really get carry a gun and make the decision on when to use it? Honestly.

Its better then letting Taliban Jack and his successors have the decision.

[jacee]

Seems to me that this argument is useless, as the NDP is just as ethically challenged if not more so then the conservatives, the only difference is that they pretend to be above it all.

The NDP is willing to send 100,000 Canadian Forces members to our deaths in order to score a few political points by twisting their actions to suit their current propaganda campaign to discredit the only government in the Developed world who has managed to hold the economy together. The NDP supporters are complete hypocrites with their ability to justify being angry about one project while happy about the other when they use the exact same principles to calculate the cost.

Perhaps just a bit over-dramatic?

Repeat: It's not about the planes nor about political parties.

It's about the information being withheld from the public.

The 'government' withheld information, and thus did a fine job of discrediting itself.

[punked]

And you don't know anything you are talking about, maybe you should learn a fact or two before you argue.

http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/news-nouvelles/news-nouvelles-eng.asp?id=3792

I know how many active troops we have that is for sure. I know the government never passed law that said they will kill them all unless they get 65 F35s. So again what are you talking about?

[punked]

Its better then letting Taliban Jack and his successors have the decision.

There is the old Taliban Jack I was waiting for. It only took Harper how much longer then Jack to become Taliban Harper? Was it 2 years till he said Jack was right about why you called him Taliban Jack in the first place? HAHAHAHA History has already proven you wrong.

[Guest Derek L]

I am sure they are and I am sure that whole 2 Billion they get off contracts will really be equal to 9 or 11 or 25 or 50 Billion we spend. Again we signed the MOU so our businesses could bid on the work. If we deiced not to buy the plane P&W can still bid on the contracts because we signed the MOU.

And you think Pratt & Whitney won’t shift production to another plant in a partner nation?

PET had the CF-5.……Mulroney the Hornet Maintenance contract and the Griffon selection and PM Chrétien the disputes with Europeans over the exclusion in their aerospace programs of Canadian engines………Perhaps the NDP knows something different about Quebec aerospace…….

[punked]

And you think Pratt & Whitney won’t shift production to another plant in a partner nation?

PET had the CF-5.……Mulroney the Hornet Maintenance contract and the Griffon selection and PM Chrétien the disputes with Europeans over the exclusion in their aerospace programs of Canadian engines………Perhaps the NDP knows something different about Quebec aerospace…….

Again that wasn't part of the deal. Although if the guys we signed a contract with wont honor their deals why are we getting further into contracts with them?

Edited April 15, 2012 by punked

[Guest Derek L]

Again that wasn't part of the deal. Although if the guys we signed a contract with wont honor their deals why are we getting further into contracts with them?

Well they’re already building components via a Canadian subsidiary of a large American company and if we decide not to purchase the aircraft, you are so naive to think this will remain?

[punked]

Well they’re already building components via a Canadian subsidiary of a large American company and if we decide not to purchase the aircraft, you are so naive to think this will remain?

I think if our MOU partners are not going to honor a contract we signed with them, we should reconsider getting deeper in business with them that is for sure.

[bush_cheney2004]

Well they’re already building components via a Canadian subsidiary of a large American company and if we decide not to purchase the aircraft, you are so naive to think this will remain?

No way....Canada (and other nations) are already getting a pass on paying the huge F-35 R&D costs, funding domestic training assets, weapons suite qualification, etc. Canada would be on the outside looking in.