Guest Peeves Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 As 'leaders' Turmel and Rae are at best pretenders and at worst usurpers since they pretend to speak for Canadians, and Canadians (many) disown her and mock (many) him. Personally I can justify the death penalty in the odd extreme case I can think of. Appaently so can a majority of Canadians. Given Sen. Boisvenu's being a victim of a murderer one might extend a soupçon of sympathy and rachmones, and certainly the respect in putting what he expressed factually and in context. “What Sen. Boisvenu did is against the law. You can’t call on people to kill themselves,” said interim NDPleader Nycole Turmel.“The death penalty debate has been closed in Canada for decades. Why are the Conservatives reopening the whole debate?” the Opposition leader said. She said Canadians were generally against capital punishment. However, a 2010 Angus Reid survey of global attitudes on capital punishment found that 62 per cent of Canadians endorsed the death penalty for homicide convictions. http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/02/01/worst-offenders-should-be-given-rope-to-hang-themselves-with-tory-senator/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peeves Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 Yes I know it's in another post*, but I'm making it about the death penalty. Maybe it's time to have a vote on capital punishment in Canada? * http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=20260 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 Yes I know it's in another post*, but I'm making it about the death penalty. Maybe it's time to have a vote on capital punishment in Canada? * http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=20260 And if we can't kill the likes williams, then at least lets go after his pension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 And if we can't kill the likes williams, then at least lets go after his pension. Can't. its against the law. An act of parliament would have to come about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peeves Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 Can't. its against the law. An act of parliament would have to come about Did you read where convicted criminals that serve their sentence can draw UI longer than anyone else! That's a perk that should be stopped post haste! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 Did you read where convicted criminals that serve their sentence can draw UI longer than anyone else! That's a perk that should be stopped post haste! Why should it be stopped if they 'served their sentence' ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peeves Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 Did you read where convicted criminals that serve their sentence can draw UI longer than anyone else! That's a perk that should be stopped post haste! http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/02/01/tory-mps-bill-targets-extended-ei-for-ex-cons/ OTTAWA • A Tory backbencher is looking to snuff out Canada’s 63-year practice of allowing ex-cons to collect double the Employment Insurance of law-abiding Canadians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peeves Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 Why should it be stopped if they 'served their sentence' ? Not stopped, equal! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 Not stopped, equal! It is equal, your own link says so ! Similar extensions are given to some unemployed Canadians who are pregnant, ill or injured Seems extraordinary circumstances come into play. pregnant,incarcerated, injured , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peeves Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 (edited) It is equal, your own link says so ! Seems extraordinary circumstances come into play. pregnant,incarcerated, injured , I think you are confused. It says they get UI for a longer period than do other unemployed. OTTAWA • A Tory backbencher is looking to snuff out Canada’s 63-year practice of allowing ex-cons to collect double the Employment Insurance of law-abiding Canadians.It is wrong that criminals get “preferential treatment,” said Conservative Dick Harris, who introduced private member’s bill C-316 to strike down the practice. “Breaking the law is a choice … and this is about fairness,” he said. Canadian workers who qualify for EI payments can collect for only 52 weeks. Convicted criminals, however, can collect benefits for twice as long — up to 104 weeks — when they finish their sentence. Edited February 3, 2012 by Peeves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 I think you are confused. It says they get UI for a longer period than do other unemployed. Nope not confused at all. Says so right here , from your link..... "Canadian workers who qualify for EI payments can collect for only 52 weeks. Convicted criminals, however, can collect benefits for twice as long — up to 104 weeks — when they finish their sentence. EI ‘way of life’ frustrates Minister as bill for N.B. unemployment benefits nears $1B .The special consideration for convicts was implemented in 1959 by the Progressive Conservative government of John Diefenbaker. Similar extensions are given to some unemployed Canadians who are pregnant, ill or injured." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Ashley Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 (edited) The Issue in all this is monitoring, especially with the ability to doctor evidence with modern tech. We need to insure that public hearings are held and family members involved in a death request consultation. People should predetermined what will happen to them, if they commit a crime - living will type situation. However, this talk is potentially criminal since it is counselling suicide, which is illegal and a criminal code offence. It is conspiracy to counsel suicide. eg. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/toronto/man-charged-with-aiding-suicides-over-the-internet/article1544704/ http://www.parl.gc.ca/Content/LOP/researchpublications/919-e.htm Section 14 of the Code provides that: No person is entitled to consent to have death inflicted on him, and such consent does not affect the criminal responsibility of any person by whom death may be inflicted on the person by whom consent is given. It would also be abetting a host of other crimes, and purporting this would be counselling for all these crimes. section 215 (Duty of persons to provide necessaries); section 219 (Criminal negligence); section 220 (Causing death by criminal negligence); section 221 (Causing bodily harm by criminal negligence); section 222 (Homicide); section 229 (Murder); section 231 (Classification of murder); section 234 (Manslaughter); the various assault and bodily harm provisions. Perhaps he should be handed a rope himself and see if the process is equitable to criminal scum OR would that be counseling suicide? He should be in jail for life: first-degree murder, because there is an intent to cause death politicians should not be exempt for being murderous sociopaths There is a duty of care and protection of life expected of all citizens especially the ones running the country. I support the option of death, but not by hanging it should be something quick, hanging is too prone to "misuse" such as broken necks that would cause medical costs to skyrocket. We need something like a garbage compacter or just a water filling room. Has to be flawless. We don't want failed and medically needy failed attempt victims cropping up. It should be enter the drowning chamber, and it is done. Or enter the super high temperature incinerator (or keep them up for a couple days with coffee, and put them in a locked Sauna on 110 for a few hours give them some canopy and relating and a sleeping cap and it will be painless on the way out http://news.discovery.com/human/sauna-championships-death-heat.html ) and it is done. Don't cling to stupid past cliches, get it done right stop pursuing around with it. A humane option may be cement boots into freezing water, they would likely be in shock they wouldn't feel anything, especially if you give them a few bottles of liquor first. This is really grim stuff though. But the bottom line is the rope thing is just nonsense and not well thought out. I only support this as a means of giving the innocent and non intentful people a way out of the abuses and dehumanizations that will last the rest of their lives unjustly as victims of the system, not those who are just corrupt and criminal. The bottom line is we should have a justice system where people become better people and have no reason to end it. The justice system however is broken and corrupt. of course organ harvesting might be good to get into any sort of deal, so the ice water might be best, as it would perhaps also preserve the organs. Non Murder Crime rates would drop dramatically if Draco was running Canada. Edited February 4, 2012 by William Ashley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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