Guest Peeves Posted December 27, 2011 Report Posted December 27, 2011 The dichotomy of hate. Religion has proven to be a great example of the split personality, of a schizophrenic behavior. They insist that they are advocating the "peace" aspect of their religion while at times practicing hate and violence. From my reading of varied sources, varied religions, I have concluded that some religions will lead you to the peace of their beliefs even if they have to murder you to ensure your salvation. Today in our contemporary world,(and I am referring to religious hate/violence), there are Algerians murdering other Algerians. In the Middle East there are Arabs murdering other Arabs. There are Indians killing other Indians, Sikh-Hindu-Muslim. Africans killing other Africans... Lebanese have killed other Lebanese. Iraqi's now murdering with terrorist bombs, other Iraqis'. Syrians, Egyptians murdering their countrymen.... These religions are claiming they are religions of peace, yet they kill and have killed, have been killed for most of their history in the name of their religion. Seems to me (any) god is completely absent in their behavior. Seems to me Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted December 27, 2011 Report Posted December 27, 2011 You forgot western countries, that are as a guilty as any. Seems our most religious leaders/parties are most dedicated to war. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Guest Peeves Posted December 27, 2011 Report Posted December 27, 2011 You forgot western countries, that are as a guilty as any. Seems our most religious leaders/parties are most dedicated to war. Ahh, but I dispute your label of Western countries as in a religious bent. Those I referenced are, without a doubt. I do not dispute the Western countries (Iraq- Bush and the Coalition of the willing of war mongering, I do disclaim that there's was under the banner or guise of religion. Those I referenced are religious in nature and fact. Today, without the presence of the USA or others involved, religious factions are conducting a religious war that could lead to a civil war supported by outside religiously differing sectarian countries. Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted December 28, 2011 Report Posted December 28, 2011 Ahh, but I dispute your label of Western countries as in a religious bent. Those I referenced are, without a doubt. I do not dispute the Western countries (Iraq- Bush and the Coalition of the willing of war mongering, I do disclaim that there's was under the banner or guise of religion. Harper and Obama are also Christian men. They believe in a man whose teachings greatly preached forgiveness and non-violence, yet these men do the opposite. How many western leaders is this the same for? These Christian hypocrites? Those I referenced are religious in nature and fact.Today, without the presence of the USA or others involved, religious factions are conducting a religious war that could lead to a civil war supported by outside religiously differing sectarian countries. What is happening in Egypt in Syria is primarily religious? Seems like these crackdowns have much more to do with authoritarian governments maintaining power at any cost. Also, you say Africa. Which countries specifically? It's a big continent. There are religious wars there, as well as ethnic/racial wars, resource wars, wars of political independence, and many coups based on power grabs that have little to do with religion. I would say most of the violence in Africa post-WWII has more to do with things other than religion. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
cybercoma Posted December 28, 2011 Report Posted December 28, 2011 What about the Irish killing other Irish? Quote
eyeball Posted December 28, 2011 Report Posted December 28, 2011 Religion has proven to be a great example of the split personality, of a schizophrenic behavior. Excuse me but dissociative identity disorder has nothing to do with schizophrenia. They insist that they are advocating the "peace" aspect of their religion while at times practicing hate and violence. That's not mental illness, it's simple run-of-the-mill hypocrisy. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Guest Peeves Posted December 28, 2011 Report Posted December 28, 2011 What about the Irish killing other Irish? What about it? It fits the dichotomy of hate as well.. btw, They also killed other Britains'. Quote
Guest Peeves Posted December 28, 2011 Report Posted December 28, 2011 "Religion has proven to be a great example of the split personality, of a schizophrenic behavior. They insist that they are advocating the "peace" aspect of their religion while at times practicing hate and violence. From my reading of varied sources, varied religions, I have concluded that some religions will lead you to the peace of their beliefs even if they have to murder you to ensure your salvation. Seems to me (any) god is completely absent in their behavior." Above truncated by author for brevity. I deny any invasion by Bush and the 'willing' were flying Christianities banner, yelling Christian benedictions nor does Harper. On the other hand deeds are done against other Muslims, Christians, Hindu, because of a religion. Quote
Guest Peeves Posted December 28, 2011 Report Posted December 28, 2011 (edited) Excuse me but dissociative identity disorder has nothing to do with schizophrenia. That's not mental illness, it's simple run-of-the-mill hypocrisy. Depending on context, meaning or usage. As; schizophrenia2 : contradictory or antagonistic qualities or attitudes <both parties … have exhibited schizophrenia over the desired outcome Edited December 28, 2011 by Peeves Quote
Guest Manny Posted December 28, 2011 Report Posted December 28, 2011 I deny any invasion by Bush and the 'willing' were flying Christianities banner, yelling Christian benedictions nor does Harper. On the other hand deeds are done against other Muslims, Christians, Hindu, because of a religion. Whatever the reason. There is no "force" of religion seperate and distinct from other forces that humans participate in, to carry out their violent intentions. All those things are simply the mediums people use to do their thing, whether it be good or bad. Take away religion and it gets replaced with something else, and violence continues. In the end, there are only human beings. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted December 28, 2011 Report Posted December 28, 2011 Whatever the reason. There is no "force" of religion seperate and distinct from other forces that humans participate in, to carry out their violent intentions. All those things are simply the mediums people use to do their thing, whether it be good or bad. Take away religion and it gets replaced with something else, and violence continues. In the end, there are only human beings. I like what you wrote here. Religion is not as much a force as a rationale. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
eyeball Posted December 28, 2011 Report Posted December 28, 2011 Depending on context, meaning or usage. As; No, whoever you quoted is out to lunch too. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
eyeball Posted December 28, 2011 Report Posted December 28, 2011 I like what you wrote here. Religion is not as much a force as a rationale. Yep, religion is just a thing and how it's used is all that matters. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bud Posted December 28, 2011 Report Posted December 28, 2011 sounds like it's only strange for some to see countrymen killing each other but bombing people from another country is not strange and accepted. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
dre Posted December 28, 2011 Report Posted December 28, 2011 "Religion has proven to be a great example of the split personality, of a schizophrenic behavior. They insist that they are advocating the "peace" aspect of their religion while at times practicing hate and violence. From my reading of varied sources, varied religions, I have concluded that some religions will lead you to the peace of their beliefs even if they have to murder you to ensure your salvation. Seems to me (any) god is completely absent in their behavior." Above truncated by author for brevity. I deny any invasion by Bush and the 'willing' were flying Christianities banner, yelling Christian benedictions nor does Harper. On the other hand deeds are done against other Muslims, Christians, Hindu, because of a religion. I deny any invasion by Bush and the 'willing' were flying Christianities banner, yelling Christian benedictions nor does Harper.On the other hand deeds are done against other Muslims, Christians, Hindu, because of a religion. We dont invoke religion as overtly as others, and predominatly Christian nations emphasize secularism. But religion still effects public policy behind the scenes. Take the invasion of Iraq... not only were Christians much more likely to support it, but we had a predominantly Christian army completely with Priests, Chaplains, etc, commanded by a guy who said that "God told him to do it", wrapped in all kinds of religious rhetoric. So if youre tallying up the violence commited by each of the three religions based on Abraham the putrid dispicable maggot, then you have count the actions of national militaries or youre just not being honest with yourself. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Jack Weber Posted December 29, 2011 Report Posted December 29, 2011 The dichotomy of hate. Religion has proven to be a great example of the split personality, of a schizophrenic behavior. They insist that they are advocating the "peace" aspect of their religion while at times practicing hate and violence. From my reading of varied sources, varied religions, I have concluded that some religions will lead you to the peace of their beliefs even if they have to murder you to ensure your salvation. Today in our contemporary world,(and I am referring to religious hate/violence), there are Algerians murdering other Algerians. In the Middle East there are Arabs murdering other Arabs. There are Indians killing other Indians, Sikh-Hindu-Muslim. Africans killing other Africans... Lebanese have killed other Lebanese. Iraqi's now murdering with terrorist bombs, other Iraqis'. Syrians, Egyptians murdering their countrymen.... These religions are claiming they are religions of peace, yet they kill and have killed, have been killed for most of their history in the name of their religion. Seems to me (any) god is completely absent in their behavior. Seems to me Here we go again... Blaming the actions of Man on the Word of God... Ask yourself this... Is it God that tells these people to kill or is it the machinations of Man that put conditions on the Word of God and then use those machinations to justify thier "righteousness" and their killing??? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
kimmy Posted December 29, 2011 Report Posted December 29, 2011 Is it God that tells these people to kill or is it the machinations of Man that put conditions on the Word of God and then use those machinations to justify thier "righteousness" and their killing??? If God were show up and explain it to us in person, we'd know what he wants. But until that time, we can only guess based on his books. And most of those books seem to suggest he's actually pretty ok with killing. For example, my viking ancestors worshiped gods who were definitely in favor of smiting enemies. Ditto the ancient Greeks and Romans. The god worshiped by Jews, Christians, and Muslims is likewise clearly in favor of slaying enemies and infidels, as anybody familiar with the Old Testament is well aware. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Jack Weber Posted December 29, 2011 Report Posted December 29, 2011 If God were show up and explain it to us in person, we'd know what he wants. But until that time, we can only guess based on his books. And most of those books seem to suggest he's actually pretty ok with killing. For example, my viking ancestors worshiped gods who were definitely in favor of smiting enemies. Ditto the ancient Greeks and Romans. The god worshiped by Jews, Christians, and Muslims is likewise clearly in favor of slaying enemies and infidels, as anybody familiar with the Old Testament is well aware. -k Again..Old Testament references... Could you make this relevent to the New Testament??? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
kimmy Posted December 29, 2011 Report Posted December 29, 2011 Again..Old Testament references... Could you make this relevent to the New Testament??? Well, Peeves didn't specify Christianity in particular, he was speaking of religion in general. And also, why? The god of the Old Testament and the New Testament (and the Quran) are the same guy. Your own scripture insists that the stuff in the Old Testament is the historical truth. You're asking me to ignore all the stuff god did Before Christ as if he were a juvenile offender whose record gets expunged once he turns 18. Why? Did he get some medication and psychiatric help prior sometime between the OT and the NT? Did he smoke some herb and mellow out? Is he the same god, or a different god? And if he's the same god, then why did he change? Or did he change? -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Jack Weber Posted December 29, 2011 Report Posted December 29, 2011 Well, Peeves didn't specify Christianity in particular, he was speaking of religion in general. And also, why? The god of the Old Testament and the New Testament (and the Quran) are the same guy. Your own scripture insists that the stuff in the Old Testament is the historical truth. You're asking me to ignore all the stuff god did Before Christ as if he were a juvenile offender whose record gets expunged once he turns 18. Why? Did he get some medication and psychiatric help prior sometime between the OT and the NT? Did he smoke some herb and mellow out? Is he the same god, or a different god? And if he's the same god, then why did he change? Or did he change? -k I'm not asking you to ignore it..I'm asking you to see if there was an Epiphany of a sorts... It's called constant personal improvement... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
kimmy Posted December 29, 2011 Report Posted December 29, 2011 I'm not asking you to ignore it..I'm asking you to see if there was an Epiphany of a sorts... It's called constant personal improvement... Eariler you proposed that god needed to embody himself as a human so that he could understand temptation and sin and suffering and so on. And my response was, isn't he supposed to be omniscient? Isn't he supposed to know us better than we know ourselves? Why did he need to embody himself in human form to understand humans, when he ought to know everything about us? If god is undergoing "constant personal improvement"... isn't that a theological problem? It implies that god is not perfect; if he were, improvement would be impossible. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Jack Weber Posted December 29, 2011 Report Posted December 29, 2011 Eariler you proposed that god needed to embody himself as a human so that he could understand temptation and sin and suffering and so on. And my response was, isn't he supposed to be omniscient? Isn't he supposed to know us better than we know ourselves? Why did he need to embody himself in human form to understand humans, when he ought to know everything about us? If god is undergoing "constant personal improvement"... isn't that a theological problem? It implies that god is not perfect; if he were, improvement would be impossible. -k We all need to get better... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
kimmy Posted December 29, 2011 Report Posted December 29, 2011 We all need to get better... For some reason I'm picturing God looking down on the earth in the aftermath of the Great Flood, thinking "fuck... I am such an asshole." -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Guest Manny Posted December 29, 2011 Report Posted December 29, 2011 If God were show up and explain it to us in person, we'd know what he wants. But until that time, we can only guess based on his books. And most of those books seem to suggest he's actually pretty ok with killing. For example, my viking ancestors worshiped gods who were definitely in favor of smiting enemies. Ditto the ancient Greeks and Romans. The god worshiped by Jews, Christians, and Muslims is likewise clearly in favor of slaying enemies and infidels, as anybody familiar with the Old Testament is well aware. -k Well Christians believe he did show up and explain it to us in person. And he said things like love thine enemy and turn the other cheek. It's not necessarily that he needed to know what its like to be human, to make mistakes and sin and stuff like that, but to show humans that they too could be more like god, if they live the way Jesus tells them to. Quote
Jack Weber Posted December 29, 2011 Report Posted December 29, 2011 (edited) For some reason I'm picturing God looking down on the earth in the aftermath of the Great Flood, thinking "fuck... I am such an asshole." -k Probably why he said He'd never do that again...Of course,in Exodus,Moses pleaded with Him to NOT wipe out the Israelites for complaining about the Manna he provided for them in the wilderness.. Edited December 29, 2011 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
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