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Iran to practice closing the Hormuz Strait


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I don't think this will actually happen but if it does happen I can see Iranian ships and subs blowing up

http://www.tehrantimes.com/politics/93496-iran-to-hold-war-game-on-closure-hormuz-strait-mp-

TEHRAN – MP Parviz Sorouri of the Majlis National Security and Foreign Policy Committee has said that Iran plans to practice its ability to close the Strait of Hormuz, one of the world’s most strategically important chokepoints, which represents about 30% of the world’s seaborne oil shipments.

“Currently, the Middle East region supplies 70 percent of the world’s energy needs, (most of) which are transported through the Strait of Hormuz. We will hold an exercise to close the Strait of Hormuz in the near future. If the world wants to make the region insecure, we will make the world insecure,” ISNA quoted Sorouri as saying on Tuesday.

Hossein Shariatmadari, the chief editor of the Kayhan newspaper, in the editorial of the December 13 edition of the daily, also said that under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), the Islamic Republic has the right to close the Strait of Hormuz if its interests in the waterway are threatened.

Pointing to efforts made by certain Western countries to drum up support for the imposition of an oil embargo on Iran, he said that the UNCLOS allows Iran to close the waterway if it is deprived of its right to export oil.

If oil sanctions are imposed on Iran, there is no reason to allow the enemies that are known for their hostility toward Iran to ship oil through the strait, which lies within Iran’s territorial waters, he said.

Shariatmadari also cited excerpts of some articles of the UNCLOS to support his argument, which goes as follows:

Article 17 - Right of innocent passage

Subject to this Convention, ships of all States, whether coastal or land-locked, enjoy the right of innocent passage through the territorial sea.

Article 19 - Meaning of innocent passage:

Passage is innocent so long as it is not prejudicial to the peace, good order or security of the coastal State. Such passage shall take place in conformity with this Convention and with other rules of international law.

Article 25- Rights of protection of the coastal State:

A: The coastal State may take the necessary steps in its territorial sea to prevent passage which is not innocent.

B: The coastal State may, without discrimination in form or in fact among foreign ships, suspend temporarily in specified areas of its territorial sea the innocent passage of foreign ships if such suspension is essential for the protection of its security, including weapons exercises. Such suspension shall take effect only after having been duly published.

In conclusion, Shariatmadari said that if the United States, European countries, and their Asian allies like Japan impose oil sanctions on Iran, they will be effectively considered the enemies of the Islamic Republic and the passage of the tankers that carry oil for them cannot be regarded as “innocent”, so Iran can block the passage of the tankers to prevent the enemies, which seek to undermine its national security, from improving their capabilities.

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Good read, Derek!

I can't help but think that the religious nutbars running Iran have no idea of how their martial technology is outclassed! I guess they think that Allah will provide victory for them.

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Good read, Derek!

I can't help but think that the religious nutbars running Iran have no idea of how their martial technology is outclassed! I guess they think that Allah will provide victory for them.

Indeed, and that was over twenty years ago………Today, a flight of B-2s would have much the same effect, in a mater of hours……About the only real threats Iran pose to shipping in the Gulf are from mines and their various shore based anti ship missiles……..To counter these threats, the USN and NATO have various classes of Cruisers, Destroyers and Frigates in the Gulf at all times, and the Royal Saudi Navy has a relatively modern minesweeping force (Mostly ex-RN) and the USN, just happens to have roughly a third of it’s Minesweepers based in Bahrain.

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Indeed, and that was over twenty years ago………Today, a flight of B-2s would have much the same effect, in a mater of hours……About the only real threats Iran pose to shipping in the Gulf are from mines and their various shore based anti ship missiles……..To counter these threats, the USN and NATO have various classes of Cruisers, Destroyers and Frigates in the Gulf at all times, and the Royal Saudi Navy has a relatively modern minesweeping force (Mostly ex-RN) and the USN, just happens to have roughly a third of it’s Minesweepers based in Bahrain.

a few hundred mines covered by shore based cruise missiles and the straits are effectively closed...it doesn't matter what forces the usa, rn or saudis have the economic damage is the point, oil shipments will stop as insurance companies won't cover the losses, the world in a unstable economic situation the economic damage could be catastrophic...
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a few hundred mines covered by shore based cruise missiles and the straits are effectively closed...it doesn't matter what forces the usa, rn or saudis have the economic damage is the point, oil shipments will stop as insurance companies won't cover the losses, the world in a unstable economic situation the economic damage could be catastrophic...

All this has been a potential and real threat prior, with not only one so called belligerent, but in the case of the 1980s Tanker Wars, both Iran and Iraq……..Tankers were being targeted and hit my mines/cruise missiles and the West was able to manage…….The technology and established infrastructure in the Persian Gulf available to the United States and NATO, compared to then, is a stark difference…..You and I can simply Google Map Bandar-e Abbas or Bushehr and locate with a little bit of snooping major Iranian Air and Naval Bases….This is with a technology the United States has had for decades and from information pulled from the web….Where do think the United States military stands in relation to this technology today?

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All this has been a potential and real threat prior, with not only one so called belligerent, but in the case of the 1980s Tanker Wars, both Iran and Iraq……..Tankers were being targeted and hit my mines/cruise missiles and the West was able to manage…….The technology and established infrastructure in the Persian Gulf available to the United States and NATO, compared to then, is a stark difference…..You and I can simply Google Map Bandar-e Abbas or Bushehr and locate with a little bit of snooping major Iranian Air and Naval Bases….This is with a technology the United States has had for decades and from information pulled from the web….Where do think the United States military stands in relation to this technology today?

despite superior technology the US was never able to locate and destroy Iraq's scud missiles, finding Iran's mobile and fixed units will still be a significant problem ...and iran's cruise missiles are considerably better than cruise missiles of years ago, oil tankers are more vulnerable than they ever were...

if it were such a simple military superiority as you suggest Israel would have attacked Iran's nuclear facilities long ago, it doesn't because the US won't give it's permission why?... because the US is afraid, the uncertainty of Iran's ability and the potential financial fallout if it all goes wrong...

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if it were such a simple military superiority as you suggest Israel would have attacked Iran's nuclear facilities long ago, it doesn't because the US won't give it's permission why?... because the US is afraid, the uncertainty of Iran's ability and the potential financial fallout if it all goes wrong...

Can you name one aircraft in the Israeli Air Force that is even capable of pulling-off such a difficult mission? I can't. Missile strikes? Maybe...but, risky and likely not very effective. The target(s) are hardened and deep. Israel has what amounts to an excellent defensive military. Not so good in the projection of power much beyond its own borders. No...this is the territory of the Americans with their massive far-reaching striking power.

Iran's potential as a conventional military is unimportant. Their 'elite guard' divisions would fall prey to ground attack like all the others.

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despite superior technology the US was never able to locate and destroy Iraq's scud missiles, finding Iran's mobile and fixed units will still be a significant problem ...and iran's cruise missiles are considerably better than cruise missiles of years ago, oil tankers are more vulnerable than they ever were...

There is numerous differences between what the US (and NATO) could do then and now……..To say nothing of the fact that the mobile Scuds and Iran’s cruise missiles are a complete different technology……..The Scuds were/are only slight advancements on World War II V-2s, and like V-2s were targeted at fixed locations i.e. cities and could be launched and targeted from the back seat of the Zil transporters………

The semi modern cruise missiles the Iranians have, would be targeted, as suggested, at moving “targets” and would require a combination of search and/or fire control radars to be illuminated to “paint the target” prior to being launched……..This is made evident by events that took place in the first war with Iraq, in which the Iraqis were able to initially launch a handful of Silkworm anti-ship missiles at coalition ships in the Gulf, but once the radars illuminated, were very quickly dispatched……..

The advancements in anti radiation warfare during the last two decades, not to mention the ability today to track ground targets with an airborne radar such as the AN/APY-7 would make the Iranian threat minimal after Iran fired their first few salvos……..The threat that does concern modern navies is the one posed by nearly one hundred year old technology……..mines………As well as asymmetric threats, like speed boats full of explosives......

if it were such a simple military superiority as you suggest Israel would have attacked Iran's nuclear facilities long ago, it doesn't because the US won't give it's permission why?... because the US is afraid, the uncertainty of Iran's ability and the potential financial fallout if it all goes wrong...

Aside from using nuclear weapons, the Israelis don’t have the ability to conventionally destroy the entire nuclear program on their own……….Asymmetrically……….Well if one believes the rumours in the media, Israel has already started.

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The advancements in anti radiation warfare during the last two decades, not to mention the ability today to track ground targets with an airborne radar such as the AN/APY-7 would make the Iranian threat minimal after Iran fired their first few salvos……..The threat that does concern modern navies is the one posed by nearly one hundred year old technology……..mines………As well as asymmetric threats, like speed boats full of explosives......

estimates I've read from an american source estimates 300 mines of various sorts closes the straits of Hormuz, removing mines becomes extremely dangerous if the area is covered with cruise missiles...

Aside from using nuclear weapons, the Israelis don’t have the ability to conventionally destroy the entire nuclear program on their own……….Asymmetrically……….Well if one believes the rumours in the media, Israel has already started.

israel can't/won't use nuclear weapons first...rumours? I don't think those iranian nuclear scientists are assassinating themselves... Edited by wyly
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andddddddd its going to happen starting Saturday and lasting 10 days

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/12/22/peter-goodspeed-irans-currency-collapse-prompts-fear-of-oil-blockade/

Iran’s nuclear push is rapidly turning into a game of chicken with the world’s economy.

Faced with the threat of growing international sanctions and unprecedented economic uncertainty that has seen the value of its currency halved in recent weeks, Iran announced Thursday its navy will stage a 10-day exercise in the Strait of Hormuz, starting Saturday.

The move, which increases the risk of military confrontation with the United States, has the potential to temporarily choke off oil exports from the Middle East, drive up international energy prices and damage the global economy.

Admiral Habibollah Sayyari, head of Iran’s navy, said submarines, destroyers, missile-launching ships and attack boats will occupy a 2,000-kilometre stretch of sea from the Strait of Hormuz, at the mouth of the Persian Gulf, to the Gulf of Aden, near the entrance to the Red Sea.

“Iran’s military and Revolutionary Guards can close the Strait of Hormuz. But such a decision should be made by top establishment leaders,” he said.

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Good read, Derek!

I can't help but think that the religious nutbars running Iran have no idea of how their martial technology is outclassed! I guess they think that Allah will provide victory for them.

If you think that you really are not that bright. Iran, and every Iranian in it, knows just as well as you do that in a war against the west they will get utterly crushed. Theyre only chance at this point to not get sacked, is if the west just decides its not worth the trouble, and in that context is makes sense to make it clear right now that the Straits are in play.

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