Michael Hardner Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 I agree Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty AC Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 It's really hard to see your example as anything but theoretical. I can't imagine someone like that - 2nd example - working in the real world without major social issues. Yeah, people not performing a service for racist reasons certainly is a stretch. *sarcasm* Do you see a fundamental difference between discrimination based on indoctrinated racism vs indoctrinated religious views? Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted September 17, 2015 Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 Yeah, people not performing a service for racist reasons certainly is a stretch. *sarcasm* The specific example given didn't make sense, when taken with the 3 precepts I would minimally need to allow someone the right to discriminate. Do you see a fundamental difference between discrimination based on indoctrinated racism vs indoctrinated religious views? Yes, definitely. They are entirely different things. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty AC Posted September 17, 2015 Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 (edited) Yes, definitely. They are entirely different things. From my point of view they are very similar if not the same. In both cases we have people discriminating against a class of people based on ideas they were fed before they were old enough to think critically. How does a religious root to discrimination change anything? Edited September 17, 2015 by Mighty AC Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msj Posted September 17, 2015 Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 From my point of view they are very similar if not the same. In both cases we have people discriminating against a class of people based on ideas they were fed before they were old enough to think critically. How does a religious root to discrimination change anything? Exactly. As people begin to realize that ideas are just ideas and some can be justified by real logical reasons and others can only be justified by deeply indoctrinated beliefs - well, lets hope logic wins out otherwise we are looking at another "Dark Ages" but this time thanks to Muslims rather than Christians. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted September 17, 2015 Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 How does a religious root to discrimination change anything? So ... You're asking how, for example, Nazi racial purity ideas are different than Christianity ? I wouldn't know ... where to ... start. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty AC Posted September 17, 2015 Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 So ... You're asking how, for example, Nazi racial purity ideas are different than Christianity ? I wouldn't know ... where to ... start. Person A is taught from birth that black people are inferior. Person A grows up to discriminate against black people. Person B is taught from birth that a god exists and that god says homosexuality is an abomination. Person B grows up to discriminate against homosexuals. Do you feel there is an ethical difference? Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted September 17, 2015 Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 In the abstract, no, but your example is not real. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 So ... You're asking how, for example, Nazi racial purity ideas are different than Christianity ? I wouldn't know ... where to ... start. Why Nazis? Why not KKK? Who certainly are Christian in their beliefs. Use them as your example. Quote Science flies you to the moon, Religion flies you into buildings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty AC Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 In the abstract, no, but your example is not real. My example has been repeated millions of times over. Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 In the abstract, no, but your example is not real.what do you mean it's not real. Culture is learned and shared, passed on between generations. People learn to be ethnocentric and they can unlearn it too. Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 It's not a real world example - it's hypothetical so what is the point ? Yes there are religious bigots but this example doesn't prove that religious discrimination is bigotry. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Why Nazis? Why not KKK? Who certainly are Christian in their beliefs. Use them as your example. My example ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msj Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 My example ? This is rather obtuse. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 https://www.yahoo.com/politics/the-real-story-behind-the-1269547693457462.html “The Pope did not enter into the details of the situation of Mrs. Davis and his meeting with her should not be considered a form of support of her position in all of its particular and complex aspects.” The pope is apparently as relatively liberal as we thought after all. The one person the pope planned to meet privately with: "happens to be an openly gay man who brought along his partner of 19 years." Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmy Posted October 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 https://www.yahoo.com/politics/the-real-story-behind-the-1269547693457462.html The pope is apparently as relatively liberal as we thought after all. The one person the pope planned to meet privately with: "happens to be an openly gay man who brought along his partner of 19 years." Davis and her lawyer also claimed 100,000 Peruvians had a prayer rally for Kim Davis, but that didn't happen either. Serious doubts about their mental stability. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Serious doubts about their mental stability. One of my theatre friends had a story about how the Spanish would parade mentally ill people in public for entertainment. And here we are. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 More like Frito Gay amirite? Mike Huckabee Calls Doritos Anti-Christian, Demands Boycott of All Frito-Lay Snacks I'm sure TimG will be along any minute to criticize this reckless attempt to stifle free speech. Quote America...."the worlds largest, best-armed shopping mall."-Ivor Tossell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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