olp1fan Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 (edited) if she was given an upgrade because she flies a lot why is the COOs name on a document signalling her upgrade? she also seemed to be stumbling her words out http://m.citynews.ca/news/160540/index.php?src=http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/national/article/160540--citynews-exclusive-labour-minister-raitt-involved-in-apparent-conflict-of-interest As she is making headlines for stepping in and helping to squash a possible strike by Air Canada flight attendants, Labour Minister Lisa Raitt finds herself in a possible conflict of interest CityNews has uncovered an internal Air Canada document apparently showing a confirmed upgrade to business class for Raitt, authorized by the airlines Chief Operating Officer Duncan Dee. Dee is also responsible for Air Canada’s government relations. The name of Air Canada's COO appeared on Raitt's passenger record for a September 25 Toronto Ottawa flight. On September 19, Raitt announced a notice had been filed that back to work legislation would be introduced to end a strike by Air Canada's Flight attendants. Raitt denies any allegations of special treatment. “When I use upgrades I utilize my own, my electronic upgrades. I don’t know what that’s about…My instruction to staff is to utilize whatever upgrades I have. I travel a lot, I have a lot of electronic upgrades and that’s the stuff that we use so I actually don’t know what that is at all,” said Raitt. “I don’t know what Duncan’s authorizing, because if I used an upgrade, I used an upgrade that was mine. And in terms of the information, I’ve not seen that before. That looks to be some documentation from Air Canada,” said Raitt. Air Canada told CityNews they don’t comment on individual customers. When asked why Dee’s name appears on Raitt’s document, airline spokesperson Peter Fitzpatrick said “His office upgrades lots of people.” Political insiders say this situation appears suspect. “At a minimum, this is the mother of all apparent conflicts of interest,” said John McCallum, Liberal MP for Markham-Union. “I don’t want to pre-judge it, but it looks smelly. You don’t have to be a genius to figure out this looks a bit smelly.” McCallum, a former cabinet minister, said getting an upgrade from the airline would be “unheard of.” McCallum told CityNews MPs are allowed to purchase a business class ticket if the flight is longer than two hours. The flight from Toronto to Ottawa is less than an hour. The union representing Air Canada’s flight attendants didn’t want to comment for this story. Edited October 13, 2011 by olp1fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 McCallum told CityNews MPs are allowed to purchase a business class ticket if the flight is longer than two hours. The flight from Toronto to Ottawa is less than an hour.If Raitt flys alot she will have plenty of upgrade points. Upgrading her on a Ottawa-Toronto flight is noise from the point of view of a frequent flyer. Equivalent to buying a cup of coffee. I suspect this was some automatic process which the union dug up to smear Raitt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted October 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 If Raitt flys alot she will have plenty of upgrade points. Upgrading her on a Ottawa-Toronto flight is noise from the point of view of a frequent flyer. Equivalent to buying a cup of coffee. I suspect this was some automatic process which the union dug up to smear Raitt. That doesn't explain why the COOs sig. is on her upgrade document or will you just ignore that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 This smells bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 If Raitt flys alot she will have plenty of upgrade points. Upgrading her on a Ottawa-Toronto flight is noise from the point of view of a frequent flyer. Equivalent to buying a cup of coffee. I suspect this was some automatic process which the union dug up to smear Raitt. Not likely since the union's not commenting.Pee-eeewww!! Something really SMELLY here! For what it's worth, I don't think Harper is the corruption-for-money type (like Mulroney), more the corruption for power type, much more dangerous, imo. But the gang he hangs with? ... peeee-eeww! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 (edited) That doesn't explain why the COOs sig. is on her upgrade document or will you just ignore that?So what? I got a free upgrade two weeks ago from Calgary to Vancouver. I don't know what the concierge had to do to get it but she had to get someone higher up to authorize it. Maybe they are all signed by the COO as a formality. In any case, an upgade on Ottawa-Toronto flight is quite meaningless. Worth as much as a cup of coffee to people who fly all of the time. It is the long flights where business class upgrades are worth it.Like I said. This is a set up by the union. A normal procedure made to look like it was abnormal. Edited October 13, 2011 by TimG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted October 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Not likely since the union's not commenting. Pee-eeewww!! Something really SMELLY here! For what it's worth, I don't think Harper is the corruption-for-money type (like Mulroney), more the corruption for power type, much more dangerous, imo. But the gang he hangs with? ... peeee-eeww! agreed, harper isn't money hungry, hes power hungry you can tell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted October 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 (edited) So what? I got a free upgrade two weeks ago from Calgary to Vancouver. I don't know what the concierge had to do to get it but she had to get someone higher up to authorize it. Maybe they are all signed by the COO as a formality. In any case, an upgade on Ottawa-Toronto flight is quite meaningless. Worth as much as a cup of coffee to people who fly all of the time. It is the long flights where business class upgrades are worth it. so according to you theres nothing to see here gotcha conflict of interests dont always have to be big for them to be immoral Edited October 13, 2011 by olp1fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 (edited) conflict of interests dont always have to be big for them to be immoralDoesn't that go both ways? The person that arranged for my upgrade was a union member. Are you checking all of the NDP MPs for the 'free upgrades' they have been quitely given by AC union members? I am sure it happens. But you don't have people leaking the details to the press in order to smear those MPs. Edited October 13, 2011 by TimG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted October 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Doesn't that go both ways? The person that arranged for my upgrade was a union member. Are you checking all of the NDP MPs for the 'free upgrades' they have been quitely given by AC union members? I am sure it happens. But you don't have people leaking the details to the press in order to smear those MPs. Can you prove this or are you just retaliating by making baseless assumptions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 (edited) Can you prove this or are you just retaliating by making baseless assumptions?No more baseless then the innuendo you posted to start with. Frequent fliers get free upgrades all of the time for legimate reasons. You have yet to provide any evidence that Raitt's upgrade was not part of the normal process and unconnected with anything else.Why do you get back to us when you have actual evidence. You are also ignoring the fact that the source of this information must have been union member with access to the passenger records. Isn't that a conflict of interest? Edited October 13, 2011 by TimG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted October 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 No more baseless then the innuendo you posted to start with. Frequent fliers get free upgrades all of the time for legimate reasons. You have yet to provide any evidence that Raitt's upgrade was not part of the normal process and unconnected with anything else. Why do you get back to us when you have actual evidence. You are also ignoring the fact that the source of this information must have been union member with access to the passenger records. Isn't that a conflict of interest? Hold on, I not once accused her, I asked questions but you flat out accused NDP MPs sir, you are out to lunch and I am done with you right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted October 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 NDP will ask Ethics Commissioner to investigate apparent conflict of interest between Raitt and Air Canada http://m.citynews.ca/news/160771/index.php#menu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Hold on, I not once accused her, I asked questions. but you flat out accused NDP MPsBull****. You accused her of taking a bribe even though you don't have one shread of evidence other than union supplied innuendo.I am amused to see you get so upset when the shoe is on the other foot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted October 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Bull****. You accused her of taking a bribe even though you don't have one shread of evidence other than union supplied innuendo. I am amused to see you get so upset when the shoe is on the other foot. okay, show me the post where i accused her Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 (edited) NDP will ask Ethics Commissioner to investigate apparent conflict of interest between Raitt and Air Canada.So are those NDP MPs going submit all records of the upgrades they have received over the years and the explanation for them? I doubt that. It would make them look bad. Edited October 13, 2011 by TimG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted October 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 (edited) So are those NDP MPs going submit all records of the upgrades they have received over the years and the explanation for them? I doubt that. It would make them look bad. Couldn't find me accusing Raitt of conflict of interest? don't become a lawyer junior Edited October 13, 2011 by olp1fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 (edited) okay, show me the post where i accused herThis entire thread is your accusation. Look at the title "Was Labour Minister bribed by Air Canada" - an obviously rhetorical question when you look at your post. No one is fooled by your semantic games. Edited October 13, 2011 by TimG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted October 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 This entire thread is your accusation. Look at the title "Was Labour Minister bribed by Air Canada" - an obviously rhetorical question when you look at your post. Oh my god, that isn't an accusation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 (edited) Oh my god, that isn't an accusation Yes it is. You started the thread because you wanted to make that accusation.You are playing semantic games. Edited October 13, 2011 by TimG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted October 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Yes it is. You started the thread cause you wanted to make that accusation. You are playing semantic games. Considering the content of the article it is the first logical question a person would ask themselves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Considering the content of the article it is the first logical question a person would ask themselvesThe first question I asked is "what does the union hope to accomplish by smearing the minister?". You picked that question because you wanted to accuse the minister of taking a bribe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted October 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 The first question I asked is "what does the union hope to accomplish by smearing the minister?". You picked that question because you wanted to accuse the minister of taking a bribe. More baseless accusations from the right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Seems like the government is going after unions who strike and would hurt the economy if they went on strike. So does this mean they are going after all unions or just the ones that interfere in their daily lives? I don't remember any Feds acting the way this government does towards workers. Chrysler and the UAW in the US, just reached an agreement and we didn't see the State government putting their nose were it shouldn't be and they are worse off than this country. Who is next on their list to bully? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 Chrysler and the UAW in the US, just reached an agreement and we didn't see the State government putting their nose were it shouldn't be and they are worse off than this country. Who is next on their list to bully?The Chrysler and GM bailouts are an example where the government steam rolled over the bond holders in order to protect union pensions. Obama is so corrupt he even used the IRS to threaten bond holders that tried to stand up for their rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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