Guest American Woman Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 we aren't that civillized As a woman, I'm sure as hell glad that I live in our 'not that civilized' country. Perhaps if all those so critical of our nations had to endure living in some of these other countries for - say - ten years, they'd acquire a greater appreciation for where they are fortunate enough to live. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 As a woman, I'm sure as hell glad that I live in our 'not that civilized' country. Perhaps if all those so critical of our nations had to endure living in some of these other countries for - say - ten years, they'd acquire a greater appreciation for where they are fortunate enough to live. yes, much more civilized than iran but civilized countries dont act in uncivilized manner like attcking countries for no legit reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Why are you looking for a way to blame any Western country you can find, i.e. Israel or the U.S.? Remember, we're civilized, they aren't. we aren't that civillized Maybe you aren't but we as a society are. Compared to Iran certainly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest American Woman Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 yes, much more civilized than iran but civilized countries dont act in uncivilized manner like attcking countriesfor no legit reason Much more, indeed. So what countries do you consider to be civilized? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Much more, indeed. So what countries do you consider to be civilized? None Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest American Woman Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 None So it's a matter of degree, then ... and since by your own admission we are "much more civilized than Iran," let's reword the question: Why are you looking for a way to blame any Western country you can find, i.e. Israel or the U.S.? Remember, we're ["much more"] civilized, they aren't [nearly as civilized]. It's not my question, but I'm curious as to your answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 you're wrong, I do not trust the American government Are you just here to troll? Because if you're not even willing to conceed the immense differences between the American government regarding rights and freedoms, vs the Iranian government, than there isn't really any point replying to you. I understand that you're a rabid anti-American person. But don't let that blind you in a ridiculous way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 So it's a matter of degree, then ... and since by your own admission we are "much more civilized than Iran," let's reword the question: Why are you looking for a way to blame any Western country you can find, i.e. Israel or the U.S.? Remember, we're ["much more"] civilized, they aren't [nearly as civilized]. It's not my question, but I'm curious as to your answer. I think it's just self hatred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 So it's a matter of degree, then ... and since by your own admission we are "much more civilized than Iran," let's reword the question: Why are you looking for a way to blame any Western country you can find, i.e. Israel or the U.S.? Remember, we're ["much more"] civilized, they aren't [nearly as civilized]. It's not my question, but I'm curious as to your answer. honestly i don't give a crap about palestine or israel, they will always be at war with each other iran needs to join this century though US foreign policy speaks for itself .. you create your own enemies and prop up dictators why not blame the US? The rest of the world does Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 (edited) I think it's just self hatred. nah, iran tortures and kills its own people, attempts to assassinate ., US invades, coup d'etats, assassinates, props up dictators bullies other countries and kills its own people which is worse? America or Iran wouldnt wanna live in either Edited October 13, 2011 by olp1fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest American Woman Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 which is worse? You've already answered that question. Iran is much worse than the United States. America or Iranwouldnt wanna live in either Yet if you had to choose, you'd rather live in the United States, since according to you the U.S. is "much more civilized than iran" - unless there's something wrong with you ........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 You've already answered that question. Iran is much worse than the United States. Yet if you had to choose, you'd rather live in the United States, since according to you the U.S. is "much more civilized than iran" - unless there's something wrong with you ........ Of course I'd pick US over Iran I'm not crazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 its fair to say that on a global scale US does more damage than Iran but on a domestic scale Iran is a lot worse than the US Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest American Woman Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 its fair to say that on a global scale US does more damage than Iran but on a domestic scale Iran is a lot worse than the US Really? So you think the world would be a better place if Iran were the Super Power? Is that it? Out of curiosity, who do you think has done more good on a global scale - the US or Iran? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest American Woman Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Of course I'd pick US over Iran I'm not crazy Perhaps it would do you well to keep that in mind ......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Really? So you think the world would be a better place if Iran were the Super Power? Is that it? Out of curiosity, who do you think has done more good on a global scale - the US or Iran? No, Iran being a super power = bad, US being a super power = not as bad but still bad whos done more good? The U.S but that doesn't make up for all of the bad that was done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Perhaps it would do you well to keep that in mind ......... why? I will never have to make that choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 More advanced than the tomahawk, I am skeptical about that. I'd need a bc2004, army guy or smallc confirmation on that one. Its not like nato countries didn't learn their lesson from the brits adventure in the falklands. I don't see any carriers being lost.there's nothing to learn with an cruise missle that only allows 30 seconds from 1st detection to impact...the equipment the iranians have is far superior to anything the argies had...ss-n-22 is more advanced than the tomahawk even without a warhead it's kinetic energy alone is thought sufficient to destroy a warship with a mach 2-3 impact, observations of tests have shown it to be deadly accurate and devastaing...the russians are estimated by some sources to be ten years ahead of the US in anti-ship missile technology...This is like the fears of iraqs army 20 yrs ago, with iraq having the best soviet kit money could buy. Estimates were about 25 percent US casualties, how did that turn out iraq had budget price soviet equipment mostly obsolete, the soviets rarely exported their best equipment to unstable regimes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Of course I'd pick US over Iran I'm not crazy One of those statements is true, the other isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 Iran needs to hire the drug cartel to carry out a hit? sounds highly unlikely if they want to take out an envoy there are many places they can do it other than the US and and they're fully capable of doing the job themselves...sounds like someone operating on their own... Have you heard about the Contras? All intelligence agencies use proxies……..has been the case for centuries.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 Iran is more careful than this, this was very shoddy amateurish Have you heard of Hezbollah? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 I also don't think the usa would want an adventure in iran, the usa can't afford it unless it were to seize irans assets which is a big no no in the geneva convention or some other big treaty. Operation Babylon didn’t cost the Israelis that much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 ...iraq had budget price soviet equipment mostly obsolete, the soviets rarely exported their best equipment to unstable regimes... The Russians, Chinese, and French watched in amazement as the Americans made child's play of destroying Iraq's "impressive" air defense system, ran circles around Russian tactics, and laid waste to T-72's far outside their own range. It was a slaughter. Iran would fair no better. The Americans have wired the entire goddamn planet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 are you caught in a time warp? that war was 25-30 years ago, Iran has acquired significant weapons improvements since those days courtesy china and russia...it's cruise missile capability could be formidable depending on numbers, there is no defense at present to defend against it which makes the US carrier fleet highly vulnerable... Wrong. Back in the 80s, the Soviets deemed mulit regimental Backfire attacks necessary to crack a US carrier battlegroup……. That’s over 100 cruise missiles (Kh-22s/AS-4)……With the success ratio of the early AEGIS/Standard missile combo, it’s was deemed a minimum 100 missiles be launched to achieve 3-5 hits on the ships of a CVBG……..Barring nuclear warheads, a carrier could likely soak-up 6-8 hits prior to sinking…….That was in the 80s with the early mark version of AEGIS, when a CVBG would at most have 1-2 AEGIS ships within it, we the remaining ships being of various other classes………Today the Aegis software has been considerably upgraded, all the escorts in a CVBG are AEGIS ships and Iran is armed with Chinese knock-offs of the exocet & maverick missiles (lighter missiles) The Iranian military is not a serious threat to the USN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 there's nothing to learn with an cruise missle that only allows 30 seconds from 1st detection to impact...the equipment the iranians have is far superior to anything the argies had...ss-n-22 is more advanced than the tomahawk even without a warhead it's kinetic energy alone is thought sufficient to destroy a warship with a mach 2-3 impact, observations of tests have shown it to be deadly accurate and devastaing...the russians are estimated by some sources to be ten years ahead of the US in anti-ship missile technology... The Sunburn , in the numbers produced by all operating countries, are still not a serious threat………Do you know what the launch platform for it is in Iranian service? And, do you currently know the location of the US CVBG in the Gulf? Unless the Iranian’s are using an emitting search radar, neither do they.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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