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The article says Khadr is applying to return, he isn't coming back yet.

Sounds as if it could be another year and a half - if he's even granted the request for transfer.

Khadr may be scum & even an enemy of the state, but he is a Canadian citizen and should have the legal right to be locked up in a Canadian jail & out of the craphole that is Gitmo.

Seems to me an "enemy of the state" would lose certain rights as a citizen. I can't help but wonder what prison he would be sent to in Canada - and how an "enemy of the state" would be received by other prisoners.

Even scumbags have due process/legal rights.

Which he's been granted. That's not to say I'm against his return to Canada, I say let Canadian tax payers foot the bill for his keep.

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This entire Omar thing is an embrassment to our entire country, to all those that died that day including the almost 30 Canadians when the towers came down, to all our soldiers who served in Afghan in fact to everyone concerned...including those Canadians advocating or shedding tears for small defenceless Omar...The same 15 year old who already had as much Military training as most 18 year old Canadian soldiers that served over there....

The same little terrorist that was filmed planting mines, and making IED's...The same 15 year old insurgent that bragged he was going to collect the bounty posted for every NATO soldier he would kill, The same kid who was involved in shooting 3 Afghani army pers ( in Cold blood)as they knocked at the front door of the complex that Omar was in......Nice kid you got there...nice cause your championing...He has not even begun repaying his debt for his deeds...

Perhaps you should do some research on his little gang he was apart of, see first hand the pictures of what they have done in the name of Islam, read the deeds they have carried out on the local Afghan people and tell me you don't think that just over 20 dollars of your total tax bill was'nt worth trying to change or stop it....

Because some Canadians have paid alot more, they have paid with their lifes, willingly, of their own free will...there is other Canadians who have come back suffering from mental and physical conditions only to have to fight with veterns affairs for a max 250 k pay out which is extremily rare...want to shed tears or champion a cause there is one...

Piss on Omar and his family, and tell me why he should not be sent back to Afghanisatn to face an Afghani court for the crimes he has commited in that country....Why he should not be tried for treason regardless of how it sounds to you, better yet don't tell, me tell those widows who's husbands are not coming back, tell those widows that have to deal not only with the there loss of a spouse but how little our government paid them out....

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This entire Omar thing is an embrassment to our entire country, to all those that died that day including the almost 30 Canadians when the towers came down, to all our soldiers who served in Afghan in fact to everyone concerned...including those Canadians advocating or shedding tears for small defenceless Omar...The same 15 year old who already had as much Military training as most 18 year old Canadian soldiers that served over there....[...]

Well said, and if I were Canadian, I'm sure I'd feel the same way. As I've said, as an American, I don't understand Canada's stance on the Khadrs.

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This entire Omar thing is an embrassment to our entire country,

Only if he was emblamatic of Canada as a whole, and you well know he/it isn't.

We should not be embarassed.

Piss on Omar and his family, and tell me why he should not be sent back to Afghanisatn to face an Afghani court for the crimes he has commited in that country....Why he should not be tried for treason regardless of how it sounds to you, better yet don't tell, me tell those widows who's husbands are not coming back, tell those widows that have to deal not only with the there loss of a spouse but how little our government paid them out....

1) No extraditon treaty.

2)He didnt try to overthrow Canada

3) Far too much emotion to try and make a point, facts will do just fine.

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Its a legal stance.

Plenty of Canada shows sympathy towards Khadr. You can see it in this thread, you can see it in the way socialist/communist politicians from the NDP and LPC called for his repatriation over the years and cried about his "rights" being violated", in the talkback/responses/posts to Canadian articles about the this story online, and the way most of the Canadian media reported on it.

It's the same theme, an intent to diminish his responsibility for his crimes as well as misrepresent who Omar Khadr is and what he believes in: he's a "child solider", maybe he isn't really guilty, he was "tortured and abused" at Guantanamo Bay, he's a victim, he can be rehabilitated, etc...

It's just lie after lie after lie, and it's coming from a huge segment of Canada. Defending Omar Khadr and politicizing the story was the mainstream Canadian perspective, not the fringe. And it had very little to do with "legalities", aside form absurd references to "international law".

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[T]hose Canadians advocating or shedding tears for small defenceless Omar... [T]ell me why he should not be sent back to Afghanisatn to face an Afghani court for the crimes he has commited in that country....Why he should not be tried for treason...

No tears should be shed for Omar; not one. However, since he is undoubtedly a Canadian citizen, he deserves, like the rest of us (like everyone in Canada, actually), a fair trial in a court of law. We start down a very slippery slope to nowhere good when we permit the government to decide which of us gets what rights based on how popular we are. The concept that all persons - no matter how odious one's character may be - are equal before the law is a very old and very important precept of our society.

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Seems to me an "enemy of the state" would lose certain rights as a citizen. I can't help but wonder what prison he would be sent to in Canada - and how an "enemy of the state" would be received by other prisoners.

Being in prison does involve some loss of rights, but he'll be able to restart his education.

We have special secret facilities for 'enemies of the state'.

He'll be protected.

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No tears should be shed for Omar; not one. However, since he is undoubtedly a Canadian citizen, he deserves, like the rest of us (like everyone in Canada, actually), a fair trial in a court of law. We start down a very slippery slope to nowhere good when we permit the government to decide which of us gets what rights based on how popular we are. The concept that all persons - no matter how odious one's character may be - are equal before the law is a very old and very important precept of our society.

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Correct.

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No tears should be shed for Omar; not one. However, since he is undoubtedly a Canadian citizen, he deserves, like the rest of us (like everyone in Canada, actually), a fair trial in a court of law. We start down a very slippery slope to nowhere good when we permit the government to decide which of us gets what rights based on how popular we are. The concept that all persons - no matter how odious one's character may be - are equal before the law is a very old and very important precept of our society.

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So basically, if a Canadian national is among terrorists murdering American, Canadian, and other coalition troops, he or she is entitled to special treatment in a war? He or she can't be killed on the battlefield legally like the non-Canadian terrorists, but should be served with an arrest warrant? Is this a joke?

Anyways, Khadr had his day in court, and he gamed the system and will be released on parole in short time. Clearly the judge at Khadr's trial didn't place much value on the life of the American medic that was murdered by this Islamic gutter rat. As I've already said, Khadr will benefit greatly from his crimes once he's released as a free man in Canada, and he will continue advancing the cause of anti-Western Jihad.

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Bob, on 21 October 2011 - 03:16 PM, said: Plenty of Canada shows sympathy towards Khadr.

BS. Or as shady is wont to say, absolute nonsense.

You have no credibility bs bob. Go work on your blog, you might double your followers to.....omg 2 people sometime soon.

Spew your bs elsewhere.

This is from a poll in July 2010:

More than half of Canadians (52%) say they do not feel sympathy for Omar Khadr’s plight, while one-third (34%) do sympathize with Khadr’s situation. link

I would say one third qualifies as "plenty."

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This is from a poll in July 2010:

More than half of Canadians (52%) say they do not feel sympathy for Omar Khadr’s plight, while one-third (34%) do sympathize with Khadr’s situation. link

I would say one third qualifies as "plenty."

It's quite funny, actually, as I bet guyser would self-describe himself as a Canadian that does not sympathize with the plight of Omar Khadr. Although I would also bet that if we asked guyser other questions about the Khadr story, such as...

1 - Do you think Omar Khadr is guilty of murder?

2 - If yes, do you think Omar Khadr should be sentenced to life imprisonment? What sentence would find appropriate for murder?

3 - Do you think Omar Khadr will reform himself, change his Jihadist/Islamist ideology, and become a meaningful and positive contributor to Canada?

...we'd get some typically sympathetic answers.

Basically, either guyser is intentionally mischaracterizing Canadian political culture and mainstream opinion based on some misplaced nationalism - lying about Canada and Canadians in order to save face, or, he really just doesn't grasp Canadian political culture and popular opinion.

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This is from a poll in July 2010:

More than half of Canadians (52%) say they do not feel sympathy for Omar Khadr’s plight, while one-third (34%) do sympathize with Khadr’s situation. link

I would say one third qualifies as "plenty."

I wouldnt. not one bit.

I sympathize with the fact that the kid was raised in one whacko family, w a whacko dad, with whacko values.

Doesnt make any of what the kid did right, nor should it excuse him from any and all punishment including had he died from being shot where he lay.

But in the totality of bs bobs post, bs.

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It's quite funny, actually,

Everytime I read bs bob posts...yes.

as I bet guyser would self-describe himself as a Canadian that does not sympathize with the plight of Omar Khadr.

Damn you are a dumb ass arent you. I bet you can tell waht i ate for breakfast too?

Although I would also bet that if we asked guyser other questions about the Khadr story, such as...

1 - Do you think Omar Khadr is guilty of murder? YES

2 - If yes, do you think Omar Khadr should be sentenced to life imprisonment? What sentence would find appropriate for murder? Whatever the court that tries him decides....duh.

3 - Do you think Omar Khadr will reform himself, change his Jihadist/Islamist ideology, and become a meaningful and positive contributor to Canada? Doubt it, but then again, no one including you bs bob knows

...we'd get some typically sympathetic answers.

Basically, either guyser is intentionally mischaracterizing Canadian political culture and mainstream opinion based on some misplaced nationalism - lying about Canada and Canadians in order to save face, or, he really just doesn't grasp Canadian political culture and popular opinion.

Naw, I just live in Canada . Maybe you could try it, hopefully that'better screening' you crow about doesnt come about before you try, :lol:

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So basically, if a Canadian national is among terrorists murdering American, Canadian, and other coalition troops, he or she is entitled to special treatment in a war?

No. I thought I was clear: Khadr deserves no special treatment, positive or negative.

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No. I thought I was clear: Khadr deserves no special treatment, positive or negative.

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The only thing that's clear is that you don't grasp the difference between times of war and times of peace. You seem to think the RCMP should've been sent to serve an arrest warrant in Afghanistan, arrest Khadr and advise him of his rights, and then who knows? Nobody has any idea what Canadian "rights" Khadr was entitled to by authority of our constitution after his capture on the battlefield by Americans and subsequent detainment at Gitmo.

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Nobody has any idea what Canadian "rights" Khadr was entitled to by authority of our constitution after his capture on the battlefield and subsequent detainment at Gitmo.

As a Canadian citizen he was and is entitled to all rights accorded to him by the Canadian constitution, the same as all other Canadian citizens. Of course, the Canadian constitution applies only within Canadian jurisdiction.

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As a Canadian citizen he was and is entitled to all rights accorded to him by the Canadian constitution, the same as all other Canadian citizens. Of course, the Canadian constitution applies only within Canadian jurisdiction.

That's something that needs to change.

Does the Charter Follow the Flag?

In the recent case of R. v. Hape, the Supreme Court of Canada concluded on the basis of international law, including principles of sovereign equality and comity, that the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms cannot apply extraterritorially. The Court’s decision has been faulted by scholars of both constitutional and international law as being deeply problematic.

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Only if he was emblamatic of Canada as a whole, and you well know he/it isn't.

We should not be embarassed.

Are you saying that he and his family have not become icons for other terrorists around the globe...including Canada...Sort of how the underdog wins again'st big government....how they used there citizenship of convience again'st us....

1) No extraditon treaty.
I'll give you that, but we still have one with the US in which Omar is in Custody now, where he did not recieve the death sentence, so he should remain to finsih out his sentence.
2)He didnt try to overthrow Canada

There is more to treason than trying to over throw the government, treason is also classified as partaking in combat again'st Canadian troops or thier allies....

3) Far too much emotion to try and make a point, facts will do just fine.

Ya alot of emotion, over many things, seeing comrads killed or wounded, watching your country loss it's interest in the mission, The Khadrs getting more media attention than any Soldier, Canadians ensuring his rights are looked after, while our own get paid out peanuts...No, no emotion there

SO we will keep to the facts,

-He has been found guilty of most of the charges the US filed again'st him...Talk here in Canada is that he will be released early...Because we think he has been through enough...screw justice and the required sentence, were Canadians we love getting played by terrorists.....

Canada has no plans to file other charges again'st him, the treason Charge has been thrown out as unlikely to get a conviction. "Unlikely not impossiable"....

- No charges again'st the rest of his family are planed, IE his mother for abuse,neglect ETC as it would not be in Canada's best interest...But then again it's alright to charge real Canadians....thier not part of the terrorist family...

- How about his brothers, shit one a signed a contract for money and protection for some info...one got shot with his father, then returned to be treated in Canadian hospitals on OUR dime...the other is still at large Charges pending for wpns smuggling ETC....i wonder were he is....his sister who slams this country ever chance he gets....and was also wanted for the same crimes as the older brother...never been charged....

- Shit, the Canadian government even went out on a limb to bring them back into the country when his father was first arrested....No thats not embrassing, we are Canadians we shrug that shit off.

Its a legal stance.

My ass it is a legal stance it is a political stance...if it was a legal stance the full weight should have been applied not just bits and pieces.

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So basically, if a Canadian national is among terrorists murdering American, Canadian, and other coalition troops, he or she is entitled to special treatment in a war? He or she can't be killed on the battlefield legally like the non-Canadian terrorists, but should be served with an arrest warrant? Is this a joke?

Actually, he was shot on the battlefield - twice! Very lucky to be alive, thanks to the US medical personnel who worked very hard to save his life. Fact is to kill have killed him after the scrap was over would have been murder, bob.

Clearly the judge at Khadr's trial didn't place much value on the life of the American medic that was murdered by this Islamic gutter rat.

And actually, the judge doesn't get the choice. Sentence is determined by the commission jury. They gave him 40 years. So you see

the judge had no say in what the sentence would be other than instructing the jury on what the minimum and maximum sentences are.

He doesnt get to choose the sentence. So your claim that the judge placed no value on the dead is, as usual, BULLSHIT.

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As a Canadian citizen he was and is entitled to all rights accorded to him by the Canadian constitution, the same as all other Canadian citizens. Of course, the Canadian constitution applies only within Canadian jurisdiction.

Substitute CRIMINAL for Canadian and you have all the answers anyone needs.

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No tears should be shed for Omar; not one. However, since he is undoubtedly a Canadian citizen, he deserves, like the rest of us (like everyone in Canada, actually), a fair trial in a court of law. We start down a very slippery slope to nowhere good when we permit the government to decide which of us gets what rights based on how popular we are. The concept that all persons - no matter how odious one's character may be - are equal before the law is a very old and very important precept of our society.

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Agreed.

And Bob should also be grateful that being a Canadian isn't a popularity contest.

:)

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