cybercoma Posted October 7, 2011 Report Posted October 7, 2011 I don't agree with Conservative ideology, but I have respect for Stephen Harper and Peter MacKay. John Baird and Tony Clement on the other hand... Quote
olp1fan Posted October 7, 2011 Report Posted October 7, 2011 I don't agree with Conservative ideology, but I have respect for Stephen Harper and Peter MacKay. John Baird and Tony Clement on the other hand... Okay, you are going to have to elaborate, why do you have respect for these men? I have respect for Paul Martin ... knowing it could destroy his government he still held inquiries Lets see if Harper has that kind of integrity Quote
ToadBrother Posted October 7, 2011 Report Posted October 7, 2011 Harper IS the problem, hes the one giving Clement these orders if you can't see the PMO all over this shit well you're not reading the evidence the PMO is all over the documents I honestly don't buy that for one minute. I doubt very much that Harper ordered Clement to build gazebos. The problem, I suspect, is that Clement has his own little faction within the Tories, and it would be politically difficult to boot him to the backbenches. I would anyways, but then again, I'm not likely to ever become PM, and at least part of the reason would be precisely because I couldn't make friendly with such a contemptible man. Quote
olp1fan Posted October 7, 2011 Report Posted October 7, 2011 (edited) I honestly don't buy that for one minute. I doubt very much that Harper ordered Clement to build gazebos. The problem, I suspect, is that Clement has his own little faction within the Tories, and it would be politically difficult to boot him to the backbenches. I would anyways, but then again, I'm not likely to ever become PM, and at least part of the reason would be precisely because I couldn't make friendly with such a contemptible man. in the emails to the mayor of huntsville clement said he'd bring the issue up with the PMO about how the police were holding them up so yes, harpers office is all over this http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/news/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/2011/09/25/clement-emails-raise-questions-about-g8-funding proof why would the pmo be furious with the opp over concerns bout the media centre? Edited October 7, 2011 by olp1fan Quote
Wild Bill Posted October 7, 2011 Report Posted October 7, 2011 Conservatives have either been staying far away from this scandal or bring up ad scam to trash the liberals i'm just wondering if there are any decent right wingers out there so far i am not impressed by you What do you expect? I'm NOT a Conservative! I don't even consider myself rightwing, unless you count the fact that everyone else over the years have drifted so far left as to leave me sticking out on the new right of centre... Don't feel bad. It's a common mistake on this board from leftwingers. Anyone who hasn't swallowed THEIR Kool-Aid MUST be a rightwinger! They all see the world digitally, on/off, black/white, Left/Conservative, good/bad, saintly/evil. If you need a label for me put me down as a Classic Liberal. You know, the kind of Liberal that hasn't been seen in Canada for a century or so... Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
cybercoma Posted October 7, 2011 Report Posted October 7, 2011 If you need a label for me put me down as a Classic Liberal. You know, the kind of Liberal that hasn't been seen in Canada for a century or so... Classic liberalism can either be considered libertarianism or neo-conservatism (it ought to be called neo-liberalism, and it is in other countries, but in the US it's labelled neo-con). Quote
olp1fan Posted October 7, 2011 Report Posted October 7, 2011 What do you expect? I'm NOT a Conservative! I don't even consider myself rightwing, unless you count the fact that everyone else over the years have drifted so far left as to leave me sticking out on the new right of centre... Don't feel bad. It's a common mistake on this board from leftwingers. Anyone who hasn't swallowed THEIR Kool-Aid MUST be a rightwinger! They all see the world digitally, on/off, black/white, Left/Conservative, good/bad, saintly/evil. If you need a label for me put me down as a Classic Liberal. You know, the kind of Liberal that hasn't been seen in Canada for a century or so... you don't seem to upset with corruption Quote
capricorn Posted October 7, 2011 Report Posted October 7, 2011 Harper is a master manipulator Your master manipulator is someone else's calculating tactician. I ain't jokin' either Swear to god, I believe you. Harper would do anything to stay out of prison So do I. It starts by not breaking the law or dissing the cops. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Wild Bill Posted October 8, 2011 Report Posted October 8, 2011 (edited) you don't seem to upset with corruption o1p1fan, I'm 59 years old and have been following politics since before I went to kindergarten, reading Pogo cartoons in the newspaper. I've seen so damn much political corruption that I'm just not fazed by it anymore! That's not to say I approve, of course. Just that I've been somewhat numbed to it and no longer share your horror. What's more, I've seen so much from ALL parties that I just can't lay it all on just one, as you seem to do. I've seen Conservatives send a spy into another candidate's inner circle, betraying friends to do so. I've seen a corrupt Liberal MP abusing his position by getting a local grape farmers organization to pay his enormous bar tab at a local motel, then watched him bang off the walls trying to walk to his room, with piss running down his leg! I've sat at a dinner table of a new friend and made the mistake in conversation of mentioning an NDP MP of the highest position, causing an instant freeze! Later, I asked my friend what did I say wrong and he told me it wasn't my fault but his sister had been living in an Ottawa apartment as that NDP members mistress, since she was 14! She had been snowed into believing he was going to leave his wife for her and of course, he never did. You'd think that this all has made me jaded with politicians but not as much as you would think. They are all human beings and subject to the same human frailties as the rest of us. It's just that their position makes it more vivid. So give it a rest, o1p1fan. You sound like a virgin! A partisan one at that! Edited October 8, 2011 by Wild Bill Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
olp1fan Posted October 8, 2011 Report Posted October 8, 2011 o1p1fan, I'm 59 years old and have been following politics since before I went to kindergarten, reading Pogo cartoons in the newspaper. I've seen so damn much political corruption that I'm just not fazed by it anymore! That's not to say I approve, of course. Just that I've been somewhat numbed to it and no longer share your horror. What's more, I've seen so much from ALL parties that I just can't lay it all on just one, as you seem to do. I've seen Conservatives send a spy into another candidate's inner circle, betraying friends to do so. I've seen a corrupt Liberal MP abusing his position by getting a local grape farmers organization to pay his enormous bar tab at a local motel, then watched him bang off the walls trying to walk to his room, with piss running down his leg! I've sat at a dinner table of a new friend and made the mistake in conversation of mentioning an NDP MP of the highest position, causing an instant freeze! Later, I asked my friend what did I say wrong and he told me it wasn't my fault but his sister had been living in an Ottawa apartment as that NDP members mistress, since she was 14! She had been snowed into believing he was going to leave his wife for her and of course, he never did. You'd think that this all has made me jaded with politicians but not as much as you would think. They are all human beings and subject to the same human frailties as the rest of us. It's just that their position makes it more vivid. So give it a rest, o1p1fan. You sound like a virgin! A partisan one at that! how can i be partisan when i was glad the libs got turfed after ad scam? now its the cons that need to be turfed im not jaded, im 25 so maybe when im your age i will but not yet Quote
Wild Bill Posted October 8, 2011 Report Posted October 8, 2011 Classic liberalism can either be considered libertarianism or neo-conservatism (it ought to be called neo-liberalism, and it is in other countries, but in the US it's labelled neo-con). That's only because in the States the Democrats drifted farther and farther left, dragging the centre with them until they defined a new one! Me, I'm right where I've always been, "laissez-faire" and "rights of the individual paramount". Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
scribblet Posted October 8, 2011 Report Posted October 8, 2011 Conservatives have either been staying far away from this scandal or bring up ad scam to trash the liberals i'm just wondering if there are any decent right wingers out there so far i am not impressed by you Gosh, and I was wondering if there were any decent left wingers out there LOL BTW, you all do know (probably not) that a Minister is not allowed to speak in the House about a previous ministerial position, which account for him being silent in the House.... Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
olp1fan Posted October 8, 2011 Report Posted October 8, 2011 (edited) Gosh, and I was wondering if there were any decent left wingers out there LOL BTW, you all do know (probably not) that a Minister is not allowed to speak in the House about a previous ministerial position, which account for him being silent in the House.... baird spoke bout his previous position where he was a minister tio so good try bullshitting care to make anything else up? Edited October 8, 2011 by olp1fan Quote
Wild Bill Posted October 9, 2011 Report Posted October 9, 2011 baird spoke bout his previous position where he was a minister tio so good try bullshitting care to make anything else up? I'm sensing a pattern here! You're testing people out to see if they're good enough as rightwingers. If someone disagrees with you then they must be bullshitting. Who died and left you as King? People can disagree with you and not be evil, you know! And maybe, YOU don't measure up by THEIR standards! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
olp1fan Posted October 9, 2011 Report Posted October 9, 2011 I'm sensing a pattern here! You're testing people out to see if they're good enough as rightwingers. If someone disagrees with you then they must be bullshitting. Who died and left you as King? People can disagree with you and not be evil, you know! And maybe, YOU don't measure up by THEIR standards! the man clearly lied, if i dont know something for sure i say so and then look it up the man is clearly wrong and had an attitude directed at us like we're stupid when hes the one that doesnt know what hes talking about Quote
olp1fan Posted October 9, 2011 Report Posted October 9, 2011 (edited) Gosh, and I was wondering if there were any decent left wingers out there LOL BTW, you all do know (probably not) that a Minister is not allowed to speak in the House about a previous ministerial position, which account for him being silent in the House.... baird was minister of transportation and infrastructure who was in charge of the whole thing yet he TALKED about it but according to you he wasn't allowed? thats the excuse you made for clement eh? don't become a lawyer Edited October 9, 2011 by olp1fan Quote
Wild Bill Posted October 9, 2011 Report Posted October 9, 2011 the man clearly lied, if i dont know something for sure i say so and then look it up the man is clearly wrong and had an attitude directed at us like we're stupid when hes the one that doesnt know what hes talking about Scriblett is a lady! And judging by your "rabble.com" style of courtesy, you ain't no gentleman! She has over 5,000 posts to this board and has been well respected for all that time. I've never known her to lie! She might be mistaken, and so might YOU! The only attitude I sense is YOURS! I think perhaps you should work on your "people skills" or else find another board. You may run out of people willing to pay the price of being snarked at in order to debate with you. With a few exceptions, this board has been pretty civil. We'd like to keep it that way! If you keep over reacting and being a crankbag you will start getting reported. At that point you'll start getting suspensions or even an eviction. However, its a free country! If you really feel that you are totally in the right, every one else is a deliberate liar and there is no need for basic human courtesy then go ahead! See what happens! Perhaps I'm totally wrong in giving you a friendly warning or even <gasp> LYING! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
olp1fan Posted October 9, 2011 Report Posted October 9, 2011 Scriblett is a lady! And judging by your "rabble.com" style of courtesy, you ain't no gentleman! She has over 5,000 posts to this board and has been well respected for all that time. I've never known her to lie! She might be mistaken, and so might YOU! The only attitude I sense is YOURS! I think perhaps you should work on your "people skills" or else find another board. You may run out of people willing to pay the price of being snarked at in order to debate with you. With a few exceptions, this board has been pretty civil. We'd like to keep it that way! If you keep over reacting and being a crankbag you will start getting reported. At that point you'll start getting suspensions or even an eviction. However, its a free country! If you really feel that you are totally in the right, every one else is a deliberate liar and there is no need for basic human courtesy then go ahead! See what happens! Perhaps I'm totally wrong in giving you a friendly warning or even <gasp> LYING! I havent personally attacked her, good luck suspending me plus she got the reaction she deserved by the tone of her post if youre snooty youll get snooty back Quote
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