Guest American Woman Posted January 7, 2012 Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 (edited) Nice ad. CONCORD, N.H. (AP) — Republican presidential hopeful Jon Huntsman, who often speaks movingly of his adopted daughters while on the campaign trail, said Friday that Ron Paul's supporters were out of line in using the girls to argue that Huntsman is un-American. An online ad posted by "NHLiberty4Paul" includes video footage of Huntsman, the former ambassador to China, with daughter Gracie when she was an infant. It also shows Huntsman holding Asha shortly after she was adopted from India. "American values? Or Chinese?" the ad asks, ending with "Vote Ron Paul." That's got to piss off more than a few people who have adopted babies from foreign countries. Huntsman and his wife have seven children, including Gracie, 12, who was abandoned at a Chinese vegetable market at two months of age, and Asha, 6, who was left to die on a roadside in India the day she was born. Sounds as if Huntsman and his wife did an admirable thing. Trying to use this against him is a new low, IMO. Edited to add link Edited January 7, 2012 by American Woman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted January 7, 2012 Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 Nice ad. CONCORD, N.H. (AP) — Republican presidential hopeful Jon Huntsman, who often speaks movingly of his adopted daughters while on the campaign trail, said Friday that Ron Paul's supporters were out of line in using the girls to argue that Huntsman is un-American. An online ad posted by "NHLiberty4Paul" includes video footage of Huntsman, the former ambassador to China, with daughter Gracie when she was an infant. It also shows Huntsman holding Asha shortly after she was adopted from India. "American values? Or Chinese?" the ad asks, ending with "Vote Ron Paul." That's got to piss off more than a few people who have adopted babies from foreign countries. Huntsman and his wife have seven children, including Gracie, 12, who was abandoned at a Chinese vegetable market at two months of age, and Asha, 6, who was left to die on a roadside in India the day she was born. Sounds as if Huntsman and his wife did an admirable thing. Trying to use this against him is a new low, IMO. Edited to add link Lame for sure, but a "new low"? Seems like pretty normal stuff to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest American Woman Posted January 7, 2012 Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 (edited) Lame for sure, but a "new low"? Seems like pretty normal stuff to me. Really? What else would be comparable to using a candidate's children, something like adoption, to portray a candidate as "anti-American?" As I recall, that tactic was used in a Canadian election regarding a Candidate's wife, which is bad enough - but to use children, adoption from China as a portrayal of having "Chinese values" rather than American? I see that as a new low. Edited January 7, 2012 by American Woman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmy Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 If it's not a new low, it's awfully close. To clarify, it appears that Ron Paul's campaign itself had nothing to do with the ad, and that it was put forth by some of Paul's rabid fans. A spokeswoman for Paul's campaign denounced the video and says that nobody who understands Paul's principles would have made it. -k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest American Woman Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 If it's not a new low, it's awfully close.To clarify, it appears that Ron Paul's campaign itself had nothing to do with the ad, and that it was put forth by some of Paul's rabid fans. A spokeswoman for Paul's campaign denounced the video and says that nobody who understands Paul's principles would have made it. I didn't say he did have anything to do with it, but it's another good example of the kind of supporters Paul has, just like whoever did write all of those racist and homophobic articles in his newsletter in his name. Then there's the "Have you ever had sex with Rick Perry?" ad purchased by a Ron Paul supporter. These supporters can't be doing him any good - among the sane voters. And from what I've seen, he's had surprisingly little to say about it. As you yourself pointed out, a spokesperson addressed the issue publicly. He did not call Jon Huntsman to offer an apology for the ad. A Ron Paul campaign spokeswoman spoke out more strongly against the ad than did Paul; Kate Schackai called it "utterly tasteless." Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/317508#ixzz1isqvQb3J At any rate, he will never be POTUS, so all's well that ends well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 At any rate, he will never be POTUS, so all's well that ends well. That's funny... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 ...At any rate, he will never be POTUS, so all's well that ends well. Agreed...this is all just chatter about a candidate who has already marginalized himself. I think what we are seeing here, and like Paul's American supporters, is the naive expectation that Ron Paul could do the crazy things he says even if elected. The reality is quite different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msj Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 Agreed...this is all just chatter about a candidate who has already marginalized himself. I think what we are seeing here, and like Paul's American supporters, is the naive expectation that Ron Paul could do the crazy things he says even if elected. The reality is quite different. I agree. I'd like to see Paul as POTUS, though, because I'm curious as to the extent that the system would emasculate him and his policies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 I agree. I'd like to see Paul as POTUS, though, because I'm curious as to the extent that the system would emasculate him and his policies. Emasculate him? Not sure what you mean by that. Ron Paul has co-opted his own "policies" in some cases for political expediency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msj Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 Emasculate him? Not sure what you mean by that. Ron Paul has co-opted his own "policies" in some cases for political expediency. Yes, that's exactly what I mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 Yes, that's exactly what I mean. You mean he has "emasculated" himself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msj Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 You mean he has "emasculated" himself? I think you have a dirty mind. I mean he gets emasculated by the lobby groups, by the Fed (and Wall Street), by the various power structures in place that continue doing business as usual to the horror of the "99%." Emasculate has another meaning, you know: to deprive of strength or vigor, weaken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 I think you have a dirty mind. So did Bill Clinton. I mean he gets emasculated by the lobby groups, by the Fed (and Wall Street), by the various power structures in place that continue doing business as usual to the horror of the "99%." Ron Paul has been part of that structure for years. He is a multi-term member of the U.S. House. Emasculate has another meaning, you know: to deprive of strength or vigor, weaken. He never had such strength....can't lose what he never had. Recall that Ron Paul has already lost two POTUS election runs, with all the business as usual that entails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest American Woman Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 Agreed...this is all just chatter about a candidate who has already marginalized himself. I think what we are seeing here, and like Paul's American supporters, is the naive expectation that Ron Paul could do the crazy things he says even if elected. The reality is quite different. I'm not sure if a lot of his supporters even understand where he is coming from - what he says he would do. Kind of reminds me of the Occupy movement, where people are all over the board, not sure of what's actually going on or what exactly they are supporting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 I'm not sure if a lot of his supporters even understand where he is coming from - what he says he would do. Kind of reminds me of the Occupy movement, where people are all over the board, not sure of what's actually going on or what exactly they are supporting. Agreed...it's the same naivete that some of President Obama's rabid supporters displayed, only to be crushed by the reality of governance in office. America went through this with a true third party alternative in Ross Perot 20 years ago, who got far more votes in the general election than Ron Paul ever will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msj Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 Ron Paul has co-opted his own "policies" in some cases for political expediency. All politicians do that to themselves eventually. What I mean is to what extent Ron Paul would actually continue to be like this if he were to be elected POTUS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 All politicians do that to themselves eventually. I guess Ron Paul is not seen that way by his star struck followers. What I mean is to what extent Ron Paul would actually continue to be like this if he were to be elected POTUS. That is something we will never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msj Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 That is something we will never know. Yes, because he will never become POTUS and because you will never click on the link and read it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 Yes, because he will never become POTUS and because you will never click on the link and read it. Sorry....American politics does not exist for your satisfaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maple_leafs182 Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 I am pretty sure this was posted on here before but it needs another posting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiraly Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 Mark Steyn: Ron Paul beckons GOP to Fortress America Article Link ...According to George Mason University's annual survey of Freedom in the 50 States, New Hampshire is the freest state in the union, so one would expect there to be takers for Ron Paul's message. On the other hand, facing a very different electorate in Iowa, Paul pulled pretty much an identical share of the poll. It may be time for those of us on the right to consider whether it's not so much the conservative vote that's split but whether conservativism itself is fracturing.... On Tuesday night Romney told us he wants to restore America to an America where millions of Americans believe in the American ideal of a strong America for millions of Americans. Which is more than your average Belgian can say. The crowd responded appreciatively. An hour later a weird goofy gnome in a baggy suit two sizes too big came out and started yakking about the Federal Reserve, fiat money and monetary policy "throughout all of history." And the crowd went bananas! ... With characteristic timidity, Mitt Romney says that as commander-in-chief his Afghan strategy would be determined by the "commanders in the field." More tea and sympathy! But a lazy deference to the inviolability of the present arrangements for another two-thirds of a century of unwon wars will not suffice. I am in favor of a leaner, meaner military – emphasis on both adjectives. A broke America will perforce wind up with the first. But, if we want the second, the foreign-policy right will have to make a better case than it has this primary season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 I am pretty sure this was posted on here before but it needs another posting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 big deal: Ron Paul Receives Pivotal Endorsement of South Carolina State Senator Tom Davis COLUMBIA, S.C.--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- 2012 Republican Presidential candidate Ron Paul received today the key endorsement of tea party favorite and South Carolina political heavyweight, state Sen. Tom Davis (R-Beaufort). His endorsement also is viewed as a political game-changer by many in South Carolina Republican Party circles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 Sorry....American politics does not exist for your satisfaction. It does not even exist for your satisfaction either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 Ron Paul Receives Pivotal Endorsement of South Carolina State Senator Tom Davis Who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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