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The most visible impact of these several efforts came just last week, when California Attorney General Kamala Harris opted out of the proposed comprehensive settlement with banks over foreclosure fraud, joining Eric Schneiderman of New York in pushing for a more aggressive nvestigation instead.

http://m.cbsnews.com/fullstory.rbml;jsessionid=U76dH52SgBgmiQISbqwQOQ**?feed_id=0&catid=20115938&videofeed=36&emvcc=-1&emvAD=320x397

This would be my hope, that governments (of the people) would gain strength from the Occupy movement to give them the courage to stand up to bullying by banks and corporations and the 1%, and carry on the revolution within current structures. It will also be necessary to change laws to make it impossible for one percenters to have any more influence than any other person.

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It's pretty easy to CREATE trouble makers - launch the dupes - emotional and foolish young people - then later after there is some "trouble" - clamp down on personal freedoms...it seems to be the trend in America - to manufacture threats to the status quo - in order to take stronger measures to protect that status quo - the whole thing is corrupt if you ask me....kind of like stiring up some person and making them hit you - then you charge and convict them for assualt - someone is jerking some strings here - if these protestors were smart they would ignore those that they seek to protest against...disrespect them an not bother - wrestling with a shit covered dog.

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This would be my hope, that governments (of the people) would gain strength from the Occupy movement to give them the courage to stand up to bullying by banks and corporations and the 1%, and carry on the revolution within current structures. It will also be necessary to change laws to make it impossible for one percenters to have any more influence than any other person.

What exactly are the current structures of the revolution? Anyways, these occupy wall street protesters are definitely entertaining. Useless and childish, but entertaining nonetheless! :lol:

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That doesn't appear to be the case here.

Can you, for example, just stop paying attention to it?

It's like a car accident. People pay attention to it, but don't really care all that much. Which is the case for these occupy wall street protest. Most normal people might look, but they don't really care.

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The policing of Occupy Wall Street

The response by the New York City Police Department has been brutal. Last Saturday the police swept up more than 700 protesters in one of the largest mass arrests n US history. The week before, innocent protesters were pepper-sprayed in the face without warning or reason. That is why, after receiving a landmark settlement this week from the police and I went to Liberty Square, the heart of the Wall Street occupation, to announce the legal victory.

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... as fully credentialed journalists, we demanded to be released, whereupon a secret service agent came over and ripped the credentials from around our necks. We filed suit. This past week, the. St Paul and Minneapolis police and the secret service have settled with us. In addition to paying out $100,000, the St Paul police department has agreed to implement a training programme aimed at [] educating officers regarding the first amendment rights of the press and publicwith respect to police operations – including police handling of media coverage of mass demonstrations – and to pursue implementation of the training programme in Minneapolis and statewide.

And of course, the issue of policing is an evolving story ...

There's a lesson to be learned by police: We do not pay them to protect the state/government/'powers that be' from us. WE PAY POLICE TO PROTECT US FROM CORRUPTED GOVERNMENTS that follow orders from corrupt wealth.

The police are OUR protection from illegal, nefarious activity that threatens our wellbeing.

The Oath of Service of police in Ontario (and elsewhere ) places priority on upholding the Constitution, and the courts hold them to it: Police must demonstrate that defendants' constitutional rights were respected before any evidence of wrongdoing will even be considered. That's why charges laid against many protesters at the Toronto G20 are being thrown out of court, and lawsuits against the police for violations of constitutional rights are proceeding and will cost the police million$.

The police need reminders of their duty to protect the rights of people to protest and change the activities of governments that violate their responsibilities to the people and favour the wealthy and powerful, because that alone is violation of our democracy. Democracy replaced the 'feudal system' in theory, but its corruption back into rule by the wealthy and powerful alone is cor is acknowledged publicly by all of us. It's time to fulfill our democratic responsibilities and take our countries back.

And the police are a key element of that, and one of our first actions needs to be educating the police about our right/responsibility to do so without being criminalized for it.

We pay their salaries. They work for us, to protect us from corrupted governments that subvert democracy into rule by a wealthy oligarchy.

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Cops hate corruption. One must understand that police are OUR standing army - you can reason with them - and they will protect you - and if need be PRETEND to arrest you..to appease their corrupt so-called bosses....NEVER offend your own palace guard - never mis-treat or insult a police officer...I remember my long stint in the court system -taking on the MAN...as they say - The security (police) would quietly say "go get the bastards" - The cops are not the problem - they are persecuted also on occassion - love your cops - they are your friends ----------the bad ones are few and far between.

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What exactly are the current structures of the revolution? Anyways, these occupy wall street protesters are definitely entertaining. Useless and childish, but entertaining nonetheless! :lol:

The structure is a participant democracy where education and consideration by all participants is respected and incorporated into consensus policies.

As such, it is fluid, dynamic and evolving, and a revolution of the hearts and minds of people and institutions.

The revolution is all of us who intend to take back control of our (now nominal) democracy.

If you are not the wealthy and powerful bending democracy to your own greed, then you are part of the revolution. :)

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Stop whinning and giving these auto-crats more power - stand up like a king or a queen - No one can take your dignity away - only you can lose it - rich or poor - you have worth - those that you protest against - do not have the power to lower you to your knees - YOU grant them power....stop doing that!

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Great...then do it in Canada...we already got rid of your version of "democracy" over 200 years ago.

GUESS i mentioned those old banking lawyers with that old title - queens' council....they still report to mum....at least you gave your dad a slap up side the head and left the house to strike out on your own - back in 1776 ----- we are still in mum's basement on face book.

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Independence...means to be free from slavery ----------Here in the great white north - they tax small buisness to the point that the owner works as a tax collector and never gets out of the hole - that used to be called slavery. Canadians don't seem to mind it....nor do they care where the tax dollars go. When you see a mayor of a major city intentionally quash a lucritive contract.....just so the contractors can get away with out doing any real work - who simply send in some lawyers to pick up the big bundle of cash...that consists of tax dollars - makes you wonder why Canadians are so trusting..they get what they deserve - NEVER worship someone with money in the hope that there is a trickle down effect -------------all that trickles down is waste product...bitter rain for fools.

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The solution can be found in the heart and mind of the individual..not in some collective storming the tower whinning in wild protestation....want a revolution - stop clusttering like a herd of hungry rats and stand up with dignity - that is the answer...wealth is not contained in some tower - as Christ said - the kingdom of heaven is within you! ONE person standing up - who has no king but God is a powerful force - the war cry during the American Revolution was "No KING but Jesus" - now those were true heros...who understood that materialism was temporal - That is the crux of the problem..the occupation of Wall Street is a materially instigated movement - It has no real power.

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B C I can see you wandering up the path as I type - enjoy your afternoon - nice of you to confide in all of Canada and finally explain that America is our oldest enemy..Now that we have that cleared up we can get back to some real free trade..our bonds are economic...and when it comes to money - NO one has a friend...just partnerships and mutal co-operation between enemies....they call it buisness....like a couple of happy dogs eating out of two bowls - one no matter how friendly will attempt to eat the others portion. IF you let it.

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Great...then do it in Canada...we already got rid of your version of "democracy" over 200 years ago.

No, no, no, I don't want her here either. Perhaps she can go to the socialist paradises of Cuba or North Korea. She'll find they have the least amount of wealth inequality there. :lol:

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The structure is a participant democracy

We have a participant democracy.

As such, it is fluid, dynamic and evolving, and a revolution of the hearts and minds of people and institutions.

Meaningless words.

The revolution is all of us who intend to take back control of our (now nominal) democracy.

Once again, we already have a participant democracy.

If you are not the wealthy and powerful bending democracy to your own greed, then you are part of the revolution.

More meaningless words. The only revolution I'm going to be part of, is kicking people like you out of this country. :)

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We have a participant democracy.

Meaningless words.

Once again, we already have a participant democracy.

More meaningless words. The only revolution I'm going to be part of, is kicking people like you out of this country. :)

We have a representative democracy where they make the decisions for us.

In a participant democracy, we make the decions for us.

"Kick me out ..."?

Well that's mature.

You and whose army? :lol:

If change scares you so much, just go back in your hole. We've got it covered.

What is it you are so frightened of losing?

Your chains? :)

By calling it the 99 per cent, they are speaking for the middle class, for working families. There’s a sense of shared economic suffering.”

Boler says the 99 per cent refers to the widely circulated statistic that one per cent of the American population holds a disproportionate share of the country’s wealth — as much as 40 per cent by some calculations

“This simple concept — that the vast majority of us are getting screwed because of policies that protect the rich minority — is the best populist message I’ve heard in years,” writes Nona Willis Aronowitz, an associate editor at Good Magazine www.good.is. “It distills the movement’s huge range of issues into one devastating phenomenon… the wealth gap.”“We are the 99 per cent,”

http://www.thespec.com/news/world/article/604738--occupy-movement-resonates-with-99-per-cent

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We have a representative democracy where they make the decisions for us.

In a participant democracy, we make the decions for us.

Yes, we have a representative democracy because governing by constant referendum is expensive, inefficient, and a terrible form of government.

If change scares you so much, just go back in your hole. We've got it covered.

Change for the worse does scare me. So how about you go back in your hole, and leave things to the adults. :)

What is it you are so frightened of losing?

Our country the way it was founded, and the way it is today. Like I've said. Maybe you're better off in the socialist utopias of Cuba and North Korea. You'll find very little wealth inequality in those places. :)

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Who pays less than they should?

Exactly……..By percentage I pay more than the average Canadian and in terms of amount, my household pays nearly double in taxes the national household income…..We won’t pay anymore unless taxes increase across the board……My wife and I would retire early out of spite…..maybe move to Arizona…. B)

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I'm in the middle class. And you, and they don't speak for me. You never will. :)

Hey, I like that. Far worse than the uber rich who won't share their Grey Poupon mustard with me is any person who pretends to speak for me in his/her partisan crusade. Hell, she doesn't even live in the US! :)

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The richest 1%.

You’ve yet to identify a Canadian 1%er that isn’t paying his or her taxes………You speak of this group as if a monolith…….The civil rights movement had Wallace………The Vietnam protestors LBJ & Nixon…..the no nukes Reagan…..and the Tea Partiers Obama……….Try and put a name(s) to your cause…

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