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If companies can't get their stuff together, why should they be bailed out? The average person does not get bailed out by the government when they get themselves into this kind of trouble.

I agree, but it's a side point. The point being that the US government normally doesn't try to nationalize industries.

Wow if you think I spew, hate to know what you think of other posters on this board.

I wasn't referring to you.

That sounds a bit trollish there Mike, hardly becoming of a 'facilitator'.

Not at all - I'm trying to point out that we all have boundries to what we say. In any case, I thought I was responding to YJ here, so sorry. You didn't start this discussion by calling the president a socialist, though you seem to agree he is a flavour of socialist.

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I agree, but it's a side point. The point being that the US government normally doesn't try to nationalize industries.

I wasn't referring to you.

Understood.

Not at all - I'm trying to point out that we all have boundries to what we say. In any case, I thought I was responding to YJ here, so sorry. You didn't start this discussion by calling the president a socialist, though you seem to agree he is a flavour of socialist.

He might not be a socialist outright, but he is socialistic in some ways yes. Call it like you see it.

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I agree, but it's a side point. The point being that the US government normally doesn't try to nationalize industries.

I wasn't referring to you.

Not at all - I'm trying to point out that we all have boundries to what we say. In any case, I thought I was responding to YJ here, so sorry. You didn't start this discussion by calling the president a socialist, though you seem to agree he is a flavour of socialist.

Theres only one type of person in the world who would call Mr Obama a socialist... someone that doesnt know what that word means.

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Personally, I like Perry and his chances………Texas is one of the few states still experiencing strong economic growth, he will bode well with the Christian voters, the Tea partiers’ (was one of the first Republican leaders to recognise them), fiscal conservatives and should play well with the GOP establishment…..

I’d perhaps question his ability to attract swing voters, but with Obama’s handling of the economy, I doubt that will be much of a concern……..he was a former Democrat though...

Your thoughts?

I think anyone who thinks Perry has done a great job in Texas should give their head a shake.

Of course Texas is going to do ok - it has oil which is priced according to supply/demand on world oil markets.

Perhaps one should look at this and the links within it before making such judgements about Perry's alleged skills:

The Texas “Miracle”

I don’t see much to be proud of in Perry’s stewardship of Texas. And yes, I’ve highlighted some particularly poor scores, but believe me, Texas doesn’t fare much better in most of the others at the CSG database. And these are all clearly issues over which a governor, given his/her influence on policy matters, could absolutely make a difference. These rankings are, frankly, unacceptable, and now he wants to spread this record nationally? And his “D” in Principles of Economics doesn’t hearten me, either.
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Between Perry and Bachmann, it seems like the Republicans are determined to choose a candidate that actually makes people look back on George W Bush as an intellectual and a moderate.

-k

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Between Perry and Bachmann, it seems like the Republicans are determined to choose a candidate that actually makes people look back on George W Bush as an intellectual and a moderate.

That could be a winning strategy...the Americans already have an "intellectual" in the oval office.

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That could be a winning strategy...the Americans already have an "intellectual" in the oval office.
It is an interesting dilemma. Obama has the advantage and will only lose the election if his rival can motivate people to get out and vote. This means a moderate republican is almost guaranteed to loss because a huge chunk of the GOP vote would stay home rather than vote for an uninspiring candidate.

OTOH, Perry and Bachmann inspire passion (both love and hate) and that could bring in more votes than they lose from the independents.

People forget that elections can be won or lost in the US base on how much of the committed base votes - not based on the swings of indepedents.

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It is an interesting dilemma. Obama has the advantage and will only lose the election if his rival can motivate people to get out and vote. This means a moderate republican is almost guaranteed to loss because a huge chunk of the GOP vote would stay home rather than vote for an uninspiring candidate.

OTOH, Perry and Bachmann inspire passion (both love and hate) and that could bring in more votes than they lose from the independents.

People forget that elections can be won or lost in the US base on how much of the committed base votes - not based on the swings of indepedents.

Im not sure. Obama has turned off a lot of liberals. They wont vote republican but some of them might stay home. And folks on the right think hes a communist from kenya thats trying to destroy the US :D The right wingers and the tea-baggers are gonna be energized!

And encumbants dont have much of an advantage when the economy is bad. Most people down there dont like their whole government and think its pretty much fuckin useless. Encumbants can take a real beating when people feel like that.

He needs the economy to pick up... but it looks like at election time we will be in the bottom of the second DIP in a double-dip recession. Not that its his fault... but that wont matter.

I think Perry would have a chance to win. If I was a republican strategist I think Id rather run him than Romney or Bachman or Palin. Romney thinks that Jesus came to America and that Americans are the true Israelites who turned the natives red because of Cain and Able or some shit. Palin and Bachman are retards. And Ron Paul wont get on board with killing random middle eastern folks. Perry looks good!

If the economy doesnt get better, or if it gets worse. All the republicans need is someone thats not going to shoot themselves in the foot.

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OTOH, Perry and Bachmann inspire passion (both love and hate) and that could bring in more votes than they lose from the independents.

I doubt that anybody who wants evangelical fanatics in office is a swing voter.

-k

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I agree, but it's a side point. The point being that the US government normally doesn't try to nationalize industries.

I agree, they are not trying to nationalize industries, but the government should not be in the business of bailing out failing corporations either, that is not their job. The only reason I can see bailing them out, would be so the taxes could be collected from these companies which would help the government in a way I guess. And it should be a major point and not a side note. Causing a recession is no small thing (which seems now to be a double dip, if the USA ever really got out of the last recession) Previous deregulation in financial markets facilitated these entities to create the housing market crash, where people were allowed to borrow way beyond their means. These financial institutions got bailed out, while many lost their homes and are now sleeping in the streets.

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I think anyone who thinks Perry has done a great job in Texas should give their head a shake.

Of course Texas is going to do ok - it has oil which is priced according to supply/demand on world oil markets.

yup, just like alberta... local idiots, credit conservatives for putting oil in the ground...a dozen drunken monkeys could do as well running alberta...
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Im not sure. Obama has turned off a lot of liberals. They wont vote republican but some of them might stay home. And folks on the right think hes a communist from kenya thats trying to destroy the US :D The right wingers and the tea-baggers are gonna be energized!

And encumbants dont have much of an advantage when the economy is bad. Most people down there dont like their whole government and think its pretty much fuckin useless. Encumbants can take a real beating when people feel like that.

He needs the economy to pick up... but it looks like at election time we will be in the bottom of the second DIP in a double-dip recession. Not that its his fault... but that wont matter.

I think Perry would have a chance to win. If I was a republican strategist I think Id rather run him than Romney or Bachman or Palin. Romney thinks that Jesus came to America and that Americans are the true Israelites who turned the natives red because of Cain and Able or some shit. Palin and Bachman are retards. And Ron Paul wont get on board with killing random middle eastern folks. Perry looks good!

If the economy doesnt get better, or if it gets worse. All the republicans need is someone thats not going to shoot themselves in the foot.

As an immigrant, who learned English on the street, in the bowels of a mine, in the bush cutting lumber, on the factory floor and then went on to enroll in high school as an adult student at age 24, I have no patience or tolerance for those who abuse and misuse their mother tongue, like dre, which is, obviously short for dreadful.

If I had any respect for his/her views, I would simply negate what I said above.

Anyone who has the gall to call a former governor of a state and a sitting representative a 'retard' is, first of all, an insensitive person who never bothered to look in the mirror and evaluate his/her own worth. Secondly, such name-calling is nothing but a proof positive that that person has never had to achieve anything on his/her own, and more importantly, never successfully run for a public office.

dre, learn grammar, sentence structure, punctuation, decency and, in today's climate, political correctness before you sound off again. Being well informed would not hurt, either.

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I think anyone who thinks Perry has done a great job in Texas should give their head a shake.

Of course Texas is going to do ok - it has oil which is priced according to supply/demand on world oil markets.

Perhaps one should look at this and the links within it before making such judgements about Perry's alleged skills:

The Texas “Miracle”

Maybe, maybe not…….I guess it will come down to if the unemployed voter in Ohio, Michigan etc would rather be an employed voter like those in Texas….

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As an immigrant, who learned English on the street, in the bowels of a mine, in the bush cutting lumber, on the factory floor and then went on to enroll in high school as an adult student at age 24, I have no patience or tolerance for those who abuse and misuse their mother tongue, like dre, which is, obviously short for dreadful.

If I had any respect for his/her views, I would simply negate what I said above.

Anyone who has the gall to call a former governor of a state and a sitting representative a 'retard' is, first of all, an insensitive person who never bothered to look in the mirror and evaluate his/her own worth. Secondly, such name-calling is nothing but a proof positive that that person has never had to achieve anything on his/her own, and more importantly, never successfully run for a public office.

dre, learn grammar, sentence structure, punctuation, decency and, in today's climate, political correctness before you sound off again. Being well informed would not hurt, either.

:lol: :lol:

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:lol: :lol:

Your response of two identical, meaningless and ridiculous yellowfaces (I think they are called emoticons or some such, but I don't know, because I never use them) is all I needed to know about you and your views of the world.

But you probably figured that it is safer than saying anything in English.

Emoticons will not make you look foolish, your words will.

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Maybe, maybe not…….I guess it will come down to if the unemployed voter in Ohio, Michigan etc would rather be an employed voter like those in Texas….

Moving to Texas doesn't necessarily transition one from being unemployed to employed.

Since Perry has been Governor, employment as a percentage of the population has gone down from 47% to 43.5%. Although there was an increase in the number of jobs in the state, this was dwarfed by the increase in the population of Texas during the same period. Should also note tbat about a third of the jobs created were public or government jobs, probably created to accommodate the larger population.

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Your response of two identical, meaningless and ridiculous yellowfaces (I think they are called emoticons or some such, but I don't know, because I never use them) is all I needed to know about you and your views of the world.

But you probably figured that it is safer than saying anything in English.

Emoticons will not make you look foolish, your words will.

Actually no, I said a lot more than you have here, and I pretty much nailed it. Being the encumbant wont help Obama if the economy is in a tailspin, and Bachman and Palin are not going to energize anyone but the tea party and the Republicans can count on their votes anyways. You can whine all you want about it, but remember when what I said turns out to be right.

And the reason I laughed is because you started a sentence where you were ranting about my grammar with a lower case letter.

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Moving to Texas doesn't necessarily transition one from being unemployed to employed.

Since Perry has been Governor, employment as a percentage of the population has gone down from 47% to 43.5%. Although there was an increase in the number of jobs in the state, this was dwarfed by the increase in the population of Texas during the same period. Should also note tbat about a third of the jobs created were public or government jobs, probably created to accommodate the larger population.

I never suggest people should move to Texas, but elect it’s governor as President if they want to effect change within their home states.

How many jobs where created in Ohio in the last few years?

Do you think the end result or the ways in which it was achieved will mater to the average US voter?…….I suppose all the jobs created in Texas, are infact the result of Obama’s policies?

If that’s the case, Obama has nothing to worry about, and Rick Perry shouldn’t waste his time.

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Actually no, I said a lot more than you have here, and I pretty much nailed it. Being the encumbant wont help Obama if the economy is in a tailspin, and Bachman and Palin are not going to energize anyone but the tea party and the Republicans can count on their votes anyways. You can whine all you want about it, but remember when what I said turns out to be right.

And the reason I laughed is because you started a sentence where you were ranting about my grammar with a lower case letter.

dre, here are the only sentences I start with a lower case letter, just like the one you laughed about: you and your screen name, dre. (short for dreadful).

What is an 'encumbant'? What is 'wont' in context of your post? You know, next to your incorrect and misspelled word of 'encumbant'?

I hate to nitpick about spelling, but anyone who abuses his/her mother tongue, as you do, deserves no consideration and no understanding and no forgiving.

As soon as you come back with a post void of errors, I will consider giving your posts a second glance.

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I never suggest people should move to Texas, but elect it’s governor as President if they want to effect change within their home states.

How many jobs where created in Ohio in the last few years?

I didn't suggest that you suggested that, but I see where you are coming from. :)

I would also like to state for the record that I am not endorsing the current Governor of Ohio for President.

Do you think the end result or the ways in which it was achieved will mater to the average US voter?…….I suppose all the jobs created in Texas, are infact the result of Obama’s policies?

If that’s the case, Obama has nothing to worry about, and Rick Perry shouldn’t waste his time.

Not sure what you are asking here. Will the ends and the means matter to the U.S. voter? What else is there but ends and the means to achieve them. :)

I would just like to say, If I were voting in the U.S. election, I would like to know whether Perry's assertion that the employment situation has improved under his Governorship is accurate. If it in fact did not improve, but actually deteriorated, I think that fact would have some bearing on my eventual voting preference.

Not sure why you bring up Obama, but his policies likely had very little to do with employment in Texas. As I had written earlier, population growth of over 20% during this period, is the biggest factor in rising employment numbers, which should not be confused with employment rates, which have gone down.

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I didn't suggest that you suggested that, but I see where you are coming from. :)

I would also like to state for the record that I am not endorsing the current Governor of Ohio for President.

Not sure what you are asking here. Will the ends and the means matter to the U.S. voter? What else is there but ends and the means to achieve them. :)

I would just like to say, If I were voting in the U.S. election, I would like to know whether Perry's assertion that the employment situation has improved under his Governorship is accurate. If it in fact did not improve, but actually deteriorated, I think that fact would have some bearing on my eventual voting preference.

Not sure why you bring up Obama, but his policies likely had very little to do with employment in Texas. As I had written earlier, population growth of over 20% during this period, is the biggest factor in rising employment numbers, which should not be confused with employment rates, which have gone down.

If a worker left Cleveland with the wife and kids for a new job in Houston, that would be a gain on the population of Texas of four…..depending on the age of his children, they might have part-time jobs, might not…….Same with the spouse, might work, might not………Perhaps both left 40k a year jobs in Ohio, for one getting a 75K a year job and with the lower personal taxes in Texas, this family can afford to have one parent stay at home……..Stats don’t always tell the full storey, and it’s possible the full storey could work against Perry………If that was the case though, I doubt Perry would be running as the Jobs candidate if there wasn’t some truth to it……..I’m certain the mainstream media will vet every single one of Perry’s staff, all the way down to the bus driver……

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