Thorn Posted August 12, 2011 Report Share Posted August 12, 2011 Incorrect. They earn their money, it is neither given to them from the state or stolen. Really? All of it? It seems to me many of them don't really earn their money so much as inherit it from those who inherited it. And given the amount of state money poured into subsidies and grants to business, and the way clever people learn to exploit or fudge the rules I'd also argue some of it was stolen, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted August 12, 2011 Report Share Posted August 12, 2011 Really? All of it? It seems to me many of them don't really earn their money so much as inherit it from those who inherited it. And given the amount of state money poured into subsidies and grants to business, and the way clever people learn to exploit or fudge the rules I'd also argue some of it was stolen, too. Naturally, if you or I were up for that huge inheritance we'd give it all to the United Way...well...perhaps you would. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorn Posted August 12, 2011 Report Share Posted August 12, 2011 Bill Clinton and Obama rose up from poverty to be president, so did George W. Bush. What does it mean ? It means you either don't know what poverty is or you don't know anything about the early lives of any of those three men, for none of them rose from poverty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorn Posted August 12, 2011 Report Share Posted August 12, 2011 Naturally, if you or I were up for that huge inheritance we'd give it all to the United Way...well...perhaps you would. :lol: Not a chance. I think people who were poor appreciate money and the freedom it buys a hell of a lot more than those who were born to wealth. I'm not criticizing people for being born to wealth, merely pointing out facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted August 12, 2011 Report Share Posted August 12, 2011 (edited) Not a chance. I think people who were poor appreciate money and the freedom it buys a hell of a lot more than those who were born to wealth. I'm not criticizing people for being born to wealth, merely pointing out facts. We can discuss it over Mai Tais @ Bloody Mary's on Bora Bora...my jet or yours? Edited August 12, 2011 by DogOnPorch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shwa Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 If I am being 'cowardly' is it your contention your behaviour is 'brave'? No, your cowardliness is completely detached from everything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shwa Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 (edited) It is people who have little connection or empathy to others, who are too selfish and narcissistic and too lacking... ...I want to put those people on chain gangs until they decide they'd rather do something else to feed themselves. Edited August 13, 2011 by Shwa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorn Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 No, your cowardliness is completely detached from everything else. Well, certainly the ACCUSATION of my cowardice is completely detached from anything remotely resembling the topic at hand, or any reasonably coherent level of intelligent discussion on your part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorn Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 Having empathy and sympathy for people being robbed, beaten and burned out, as I do, is not quite the same thing as having empathy and sympathy for those who rob and beat and burn others homes, as you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shwa Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 Having empathy and sympathy for people being robbed, beaten and burned out, as I do, is not quite the same thing as having empathy and sympathy for those who rob and beat and burn others homes, as you do. Claiming to have "empathy and sympathy for people" as an anonymous user on the Internet. Yeah right. Show me all the receipts for all the money you have donated to the victims so far. Talk is cheaper eh? LOFL! Another indignant phoney without a clue is more like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorn Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 Claiming to have "empathy and sympathy for people" as an anonymous user on the Internet. Yeah right. Show me all the receipts for all the money you have donated to the victims so far. Talk is cheaper eh? LOFL! Well, if it's coming from you it certainly can't be described as valuable... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shwa Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 Well, certainly the ACCUSATION of my cowardice is completely detached from anything remotely resembling the topic at hand, or any reasonably coherent level of intelligent discussion on your part. Oh but it is completely relevant to the topic on hand, you're just too fearful and scared to come out of your bubble into the real world to gain any sort of meaningful understanding of those events. You are too busy de-humanizing people so they fit into your neat, orderly, little bubble world. Mobs pop bubbles. Haven't you heard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shwa Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 Well, if it's coming from you it certainly can't be described as valuable... Well if its coming from you it can certainly be described as cowardly bullshit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorn Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 Oh but it is completely relevant to the topic on hand, you're just too fearful and scared to come out of your bubble into the real world to gain any sort of meaningful understanding of those events. You are too busy de-humanizing people so they fit into your neat, orderly, little bubble world. On the contrary, I believe my description of the likely mentality of the mob is considerably closer to reality than your tearful sympathy for them as poor, misunderstood souls who are the victims of capitalist cruelty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 If I am being 'cowardly' is it your contention your behaviour is 'brave'? Contention - contender - contest - hmmm sounds like a fight is brewing here.....DING! Get me the pop corn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorn Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 (edited) Well if its coming from you it can certainly be described as cowardly bullshit... Such a desperately inane reply. I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it. George Bernard Shaw Edited August 13, 2011 by Thorn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shwa Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 On the contrary, I believe my description of the likely mentality of the mob is considerably closer to reality than your tearful sympathy for them as poor, misunderstood souls who are the victims of capitalist cruelty. Sorry bubble boy, but your attempts to de-humanize people so they fit your small-minded ideology is not only pathetic, but a touch sociopathic too. The only description you have given is how low a grade your insights really are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shwa Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 Such a desperately inane reply.'Truth hurts doesn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorn Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 Sorry bubble boy, but your attempts to de-humanize people so they fit your small-minded ideology is not only pathetic, but a touch sociopathic too. The only description you have given is how low a grade your insights really are. I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it. George Bernard Shaw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorn Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 ' Truth hurts doesn't it? I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it. George Bernard Shaw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shwa Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it. “Hatred is the coward's revenge for being intimidated.” - George Bernard Shaw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Bandelot Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 All of this is fair, but my problem is that there is already too much moralizing on these topics and it makes it difficult for people to make progress in the discussion. Well I thought we were having a fairly intelligent discussion on probing what's at the heart of the matter. I don't expect either of us to come up with real answers. Just food for thought. On the other hand I don't understand your criticism that "it makes it difficult for people to make progress in the discussion". Did you read the next 20 or so posts? How's this for making progress? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charter.rights Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 Claiming to have "empathy and sympathy for people" as an anonymous user on the Internet. Yeah right. Show me all the receipts for all the money you have donated to the victims so far. Talk is cheaper eh? LOFL! Another indignant phoney without a clue is more like it. He is likely just a reinvented ML poster who has been beaten down before. I would suggest he is just another member of the Lictardians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorn Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 An excellent exchange of opinions in the Post regarding the motivations for the wastrels and scruff who were rioting last week. I do not believe the rioters were either “alienated” or “ignored.” To be alienated, one must have an actual grievance. This generation of Brits has the opposite of a grievance. They feel entitled because they have not been ignored enough. The extensive social safety net is the problem. They have no responsibilities and no purpose. As those quoted in news reports made clear, there was no grand social or economic issue here. People saw a chance to get free TVs and they took it. The spirit was one of a fun happening, not any ideological or political crisis. Some of them blamed “the system” but it was clear that was just a mantra, a meaningless catch-all to cover the fact there was no reason at all for the rioting and vandalism. Full Comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shwa Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 He is likely just a reinvented ML poster who has been beaten down before. I would suggest he is just another member of the Lictardians. Another cranky old man who learned to use the Internet last week. Talking about feelings of entitlement. LOFL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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