M.Dancer Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 touche' More often than not, I find maple leaf to be a few cards short of a deck...but he does have a point. The hooligans do have a lot in common with the Ghaddafi regime. The main goal of the regime and the holligans has been theft and neither have shown any hesitance to attack their fellow citizens... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 I'm amazed. I actually got you to acknowledge that the rich are not entirely responsible for getting richer. That's an odd thing to be amazed at. Did you know the powerful are not entirely responsible for getting more powerful? Oh yeah. And they'll be crying all the way to the bank when their parents croak and they collect their inheritance. "Those greedy boomers." Assuming the more powerful don't collect most of it first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capricorn Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 Assuming the more powerful don't collect most of it first. That would be the government by way of estate tax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 That would be the government by way of estate tax. I'm sure eyeball is against inheritable wealth anyway.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 That would be the government by way of estate tax. And once they burn through that... We're still stuck the need to grow, an imperative to produce, and a dwindling stock of natural capital to produce growth. What then, hire more police? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capricorn Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 And once they burn through that... Fear not. Government will find a way to tax us in ways not yet imagined. We're still stuck the need to grow, an imperative to produce, and a dwindling stock of natural capital to produce growth. What then, hire more police? Gawd forbid we should continue to grow and to produce. I think we should all roll over and die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 And once they burn through that... We're still stuck the need to grow, an imperative to produce, and a dwindling stock of natural capital to produce growth. What then, hire more police? Buck up Crewman Eyeball...there will always be a position with red shirt for you in the Delta quadrant working the interstellar kelp mines... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maple_leafs182 Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 Gawd forbid we should continue to grow and to produce. I think we should all roll over and die. I think that is what needs to happen too. Maybe not the actual people but this political economic structure we use needs to die, it creates too many problems and its solutions usually lead to bigger problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted August 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 This pretty much sums it up if you want to be bothered reading it. I've been reading some British forums, the great majority believe that these are not anti poverty protests or anywhere near, they are simply opportunistic uneducated thugs. Years of liberal dogma have spawned a generation of amoral, uneducated, welfare dependent, brutalised youngsters http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2024284/UK-riots-2011-Liberal-dogma-spawned-generation-brutalised-youths.html Not only in London, but last year in Sweden http://www.somaliaonline.com/community/showthread.php/14855-Little-Mogadishu-in-Sweden-Riots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 I think that is what needs to happen too. Maybe not the actual people but this political economic structure we use needs to die, it creates too many problems and its solutions usually lead to bigger problems. Come back when you have a solution that doesn't offer greater problems... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 (edited) This pretty much sums it up if you want to be bothered reading it. I've been reading some British forums, the great majority believe that these are not anti poverty protests or anywhere near, they are simply opportunistic uneducated thugs. Years of liberal dogma have spawned a generation of amoral, uneducated, welfare dependent, brutalised youngsters. It's all horseshit of course. Economic disparity and a lack of opportunity ultimately created this mess. No amount of Victorian tounge-clucking and pearl-grasping will alter that. Thank Maggie. Edited August 10, 2011 by Black Dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 It's all horseshit of course. Economic disparity and a lack of opportunity ultimately created this mess. Thank Maggie. Really? I thought it was a drug dealer with a darwinian complex and a gun.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 Really? I thought it was a drug dealer with a darwinian complex and a gun.... or was it that the guy was killed by the police and the rumours about the police lying about him shooting at them have turned out to be true? you're always so quick to jump in there to protect big brother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest American Woman Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 (edited) BBC is now admitting that they are not "protesters," but "rioters and looters." link The BBC's head of newsgathering has admitted that the corporation should not have described the London rioters as "protesters" after Saturday night, when a peaceful demonstration provided the initial spark for three days of escalating disturbances across the capital. The BBC was criticised on Tuesday for continually referring to the looters and rioters as "protesters" – three days after the peaceful protest over the death of Mark Duggan in Tottenham. Just shows how powerful the media is. People were led to believe that the rioters and looters had a reason to be acting the way they were/are, ie: "protesting," and it sounds as if the BBC now regrets having sparked that idea. Edited August 10, 2011 by American Woman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 or was it that the guy was killed by the police and the rumours about the police lying about him shooting at them have turned out to be true? you're always so quick to jump in there to protect big brother. What exactly has proven to be true? He was a drug dealer, he had a gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 What exactly has proven to be true? He was a drug dealer, he had a gun. Mark Duggan did not shoot at police, says IPCC IPCC releases initial findings of ballistics tests in police shooting of Mark Duggan, whose death sparked London riots link there was no shootout. the police killed a man who did not fire any shots. but the police lied and said there was a gun battle. people suspected that he was assassinated and now it's turning out that the suspicions were true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 Mark Duggan did not shoot at police, says IPCC IPCC releases initial findings of ballistics tests in police shooting of Mark Duggan, whose death sparked London riots link there was no shootout. the police killed a man who did not fire any shots. but the police lied and said there was a gun battle. people suspected that he was assassinated and now it's turning out that the suspicions were true. Ahem....could you show where the police said the drug dealer fired his loaded gun? ThanKs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest American Woman Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 Ahem....could you show where the police said the drug dealer fired his loaded gun? ThanKs! It was initially reported that way - at least by some of the media. link Suspected gangster Mark Duggan, 29, fired a handgun at an armed cop, whose life was saved when the bullet hit his radio. link The suggestion was that officers could have come under fire from a minicab carrying Duggan. Much of this assumption came from the fact that a bullet had lodged in a police radio worn by an officer at the scene – raising speculation he might have been fired at from the vehicle. link When he was killed last Friday, police claimed they had returned fire after Duggan had shot at them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 Ahem....could you show where the police said the drug dealer fired his loaded gun? ThanKs! link "shots were fired and a 29-year-old man died....It is believed that two shots were fired by a firearms officer....A non-police issue handgun was recovered....An officer's radio which appears to have a bullet lodged in it has also been recovered." this implies that the police were shot at. by the way, having a gun does not warrant being executed. i wonder why you're so quick to jump in there for big brother. the government does not need a marketing department when they have people like you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest American Woman Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 (edited) link "shots were fired and a 29-year-old man died....It is believed that two shots were fired by a firearms officer....A non-police issue handgun was recovered....An officer's radio which appears to have a bullet lodged in it has also been recovered." this implies that the police were shot at. by the way, having a gun does not warrant being executed. i wonder why you're so quick to jump in there for big brother. the government does not need a marketing department when they have people like you. What something might "imply" to some and what someone definitely says are two very different things. You made a solid accusation based on an implication - an implication that some would not see the same way you did. Those are the facts as stated - shots were fired, and a 29 year old man did die. There was nothing false in that report and absolutely no "lie" stated by police. Edited August 10, 2011 by American Woman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 link "shots were fired and a 29-year-old man died....It is believed that two shots were fired by a firearms officer....A non-police issue handgun was recovered....An officer's radio which appears to have a bullet lodged in it has also been recovered." this implies that the police were shot at. by the way, having a gun does not warrant being executed. i wonder why you're so quick to jump in there for big brother. the government does not need a marketing department when they have people like you. So no proof regarding your claim? No surprises because I happen to know your claim is baseless.... You are correct...having a gun does not warrant being shot at...unless the constable feels threatened then all bets are off..the right to use deadly force is a given. A darwin award winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 It was initially reported that way - at least by some of the media. link Suspected gangster Mark Duggan, 29, fired a handgun at an armed cop, whose life was saved when the bullet hit his radio. link The suggestion was that officers could have come under fire from a minicab carrying Duggan. Much of this assumption came from the fact that a bullet had lodged in a police radio worn by an officer at the scene – raising speculation he might have been fired at from the vehicle. link When he was killed last Friday, police claimed they had returned fire after Duggan had shot at them. Yep....those suggestions certainly were made...but not by the police who did not comment and would not comment until the facts were known. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 A darwin award winner. how is he a darwin award winner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 how is he a darwin award winner? He carried a weapon. He was a drug dealer. He made the police feel threatened. Darwin Award winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 He carried a weapon. He was a drug dealer. He made the police feel threatened. Darwin Award winner. So what kind of weapon did you carry back in the day when ah, you know..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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