Why doesn't Harper come clean with his intentions to Canadians?

[CANADIEN]

Once again, was the final decision on the document hers? If so then like I said it was incompetence to do what she did and then she lied most likely out of fear further showing her incompetence. Discipline her and fire her. All I said was I didnt like the way she was treated. Get off your high horse, your ndp is showing.

If it was not her decision to accept or reject the recommendation, whose was it? Harper? Was it Harper to told her to alter an official document ?

She lied and she got the consequences. If holding elected officials accountable for their action is an NDP position, then tell me where I can sign my membership card.

[Ottawavalleyboy]

If it was not her decision to accept or reject the recommendation, whose was it? Harper? Was it Harper to told her to alter an official document ?

She lied and she got the consequences. If holding elected officials accountable for their action is an NDP position, then tell me where I can sign my membership card.

I wasnt being confrontational when I asked it, I was honestly asking. Because from my understanding it was her call, so why not just send the document back or else make the alteration and initial it. And if this is the case why lie about it when confronted. Like I said I think from the sounds of it it was incompetence coupled with fear on how to handle the mistake. Either way she got what she deserved in losing out but as I said the attacks on her are garbage and attacking the conservative party as a whole for her actions is just as much garbage. I used to love following politics and the comparison of policies and platform. Its been a mud slinging competition for the last three elections and its a shame.

On a side note the conservatives are not the only ones with incompetent members, truthfully I think there are very few decent politicians left. The last ten years or so seem to have weeded out most of the ones that to me not only were worth voting for but could handle the jobs and the bureaucracy witout making the party look terrible afterwords. There has been a huge downturn on all sides of the political spectrum since Mulroney lost which led to a lot of degradation in the conservative party of decent members. The tide continued with the Liberals with the sponsorship scandal. Now we have a few of the old dogs and a lot of neo politicians saying and doing stupid things. If the orange tide continues there will be another huge turn of the political spectrum and once again we will be facing another big tide of inexperienced unskilled politicians. Bob Raes biggest failing when he ran Ontario was the fact that his government had for the most part newly minted politicians, that coupled with ndp ideals led to a lot of bleeding financially. I am hoping for one of two things in the current situation. Either a conservative majority or else a coalition that leads to the removal of Harper and the replacement with someone that can appeal more to the masses while sticking to a fiscally conservative stance.

[TTM]

Discipline her and fire her.

And neither occurred. If Harper won't do it, it is the oppositions duty to press for this. This scandal was not manufactured by the opposition, and it would be a forgotten incident if Harper had acted properly. The only conclusion is that this was not incompetence, but deliberate deceit by a party without the balls to implement its beliefs in the open. It is a small and petty affair, representative of a small and petty government.

[CANADIEN]

I wasnt being confrontational when I asked it, I was honestly asking. Because from my understanding it was her call, so why not just send the document back or else make the alteration and initial it. And if this is the case why lie about it when confronted. Like I said I think from the sounds of it it was incompetence coupled with fear on how to handle the mistake. Either way she got what she deserved in losing out but as I said the attacks on her are garbage

She got what what was coming to her for lying to Parliament.

As for the government, it chose not to punish her, but to defend her actions. They should have fired her indeed, but they didn't do it.

Edited May 1, 2011 by CANADIEN

[Harry]

Tsk, tsk Harper, wrong again.

- If it weren't for Stephen Harper's attempts to unilaterally rewrite Canada's constitution to fit his current political interests, we wouldn't need a reminder what the rules actually are in an election where no party wins a majority. But since a refresher is in order, Peter Russell provides it

http://accidentaldeliberations.blogspot.com/2011/04/saturday-afternoon-links_30.html

[Harry]

Not a happy camper about the Globe's endorsement.

Anyone but Harper: A dissenting endorsement

This dishonesty transcends the kind of white lies that people expect of politicians; it suggests hostility toward the truth. Indeed, in some of the governments stranger moments, the Conservatives appear to have lost touch with reality altogether, blinded by ideology while caught in their own spin cycle. Witness their response to being the first government in Canadian history to be found in contempt of Parliament. To the Tories, this was a mere difference of opinion. The Globe endorsement made no mention of that.

To me, this election goes beyond ideology: its about trust

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/anyone-but-harper-a-dissenting-endorsement/article2005395/

Edited May 1, 2011 by Harry

[jacee]

who else but a socialist who lived in a home for the financially challenged while both he & his wife were sucking on the public tit and when a fellow has to live in the squaller of public housing,

In geared to income housing, those with the income to pay full market value help to subsidize those who can't. It's a concept that's been around for a long time now. I'm sure there are valid ways of attacking Jack, but this isn't one of them.

Edited May 1, 2011 by jacee

[Mr.Canada]

Harper said whoever wins the most number of seats initially gets to govern until defeated by tne opposition. Will Harper keep his word to Canadians and give up power if the Cons end with the second most number of seats on Monday nite? I have my doubts - what say you?

Harper has already said he would on TV. Whomever has the most seats will get first shot at forming gov't. Plain and simple. I don't understand this thread.

[CANADIEN]

Harper has already said he would on TV. Whomever has the most seats will get first shot at forming gov't. Plain and simple. I don't understand this thread.

Then why refusing to answer this time. A simple "I have already answered" would suffice. Mind you, I do not think Harper is hiding something... just letting his dislike of journalists show is more likely.

BTW, it must be very disappointing to you that Harper would be very unlikely to commit TREASON by staging a coup on May 3 if the NDP won on May 2. He is not strong enough.

[Harry]

Harper has been found wanting - I wonder why.

Vote has become referendum on Harper

Standard parliamentary practice, that. But Harper made it sound like a coup being hatched by the opposition.

Including even the Bloc Québécois in a parliamentary partnership would not be all that scandalous, says eminent historian Desmond Morton of McGill University. "The separatists are Canadian citizens and Canadian voters. They have a right to have their voice heard in Parliament. We hear it in Quebec all the time, so it had better be heard in Ottawa and English Canada."

But the "Harper-ization of our minds" (in the memorable phrase of John Meisel of Queen's University) has been such that it tripped up even Ignatieff, as he tried to run as far as he could from the very notion of a coalition.

However, Canadians quickly caught on to Harper's politics of division, his contempt of Parliament, his bully tactics (symbolized by students being thrown out of Tory rallies), abuse of power and misuse of the treasury in showering tens of millions of dollars on ridings and groups with the sole purpose of advancing the partisan Conservative cause.

Ordinary citizens have turned the election into a referendum on Harper - specifically, on a Harper majority. Their answer to his fanning the fears of "reckless coalition" post-election was to forge one at the grassroots level, now.

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/article/983302--siddiqui...

[Harry]

Canada's tin pot dictator Harper will allow no quesions from the media today - what a coward!

[Ottawavalleyboy]

Harper has been found wanting - I wonder why.

Vote has become referendum on Harper

Standard parliamentary practice, that. But Harper made it sound like a coup being hatched by the opposition.

Including even the Bloc Québécois in a parliamentary partnership would not be all that scandalous, says eminent historian Desmond Morton of McGill University. "The separatists are Canadian citizens and Canadian voters. They have a right to have their voice heard in Parliament. We hear it in Quebec all the time, so it had better be heard in Ottawa and English Canada."

But the "Harper-ization of our minds" (in the memorable phrase of John Meisel of Queen's University) has been such that it tripped up even Ignatieff, as he tried to run as far as he could from the very notion of a coalition.

However, Canadians quickly caught on to Harper's politics of division, his contempt of Parliament, his bully tactics (symbolized by students being thrown out of Tory rallies), abuse of power and misuse of the treasury in showering tens of millions of dollars on ridings and groups with the sole purpose of advancing the partisan Conservative cause.

Ordinary citizens have turned the election into a referendum on Harper - specifically, on a Harper majority. Their answer to his fanning the fears of "reckless coalition" post-election was to forge one at the grassroots level, now.

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/article/983302--siddiqui...

Wow Harry you must be thrilled that there is one major news paper writing articles for you to quote. All the other major newspapers in Canada are supporting Harper and the conservatives. But the Star must be right.

[bloodyminded]

Wow Harry you must be thrilled that there is one major news paper writing articles for you to quote. All the other major newspapers in Canada are supporting Harper and the conservatives. But the Star must be right.

So are we finally putting the preposterous, hostile-to-thought assertions of the "left-wing media" to bed?