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When Ignatieff and the LPC tell people grand stories about his past, they seem to be ramping up the rhetoric that he's a true blue Canadian. No one could begrudge him of this, anyone proud of their country would want to do so, especially when Harper is fond of pointing out how long Ignatieff was out of the country, etc.

The question that comes to my mind though, is why do they go so far in their attempts to connect with Canadians, that glaringly obvious lies end up being shovelled out? Last week we had him claiming to have been a poor, paycheck-to-paycheck immigrant who went to public school. We know for a fact that he's a descendant of Russian nobility, that his family was wealthy, and that he lived a life of privilege. We know this, because he wrote about it extensively in his own book, The Russian Album.

Yesterday though, the Liberals brought out the show stopper. To show us how Canadian he is, Ignatieff's team is claiming that he's never voted in a foreign country. Which makes the following statements a bit odd in context:

“I am an American Democrat. I will vote for Kerry in November,” Ignatieff told The Glasgow Herald in 2004.
In a 1998 book, Ignatieff says he voted Labour in 1997 to oust the ruling Conservatives.

The Conservatives had been in power since 1979, first under Margaret Thatcher and then under John Major.

“Why did I vote Labour? I wanted the rascals out,” Ignatieff said

What book was that in? "Identity and Politics". Co-written by... Michael Ignatieff.

All politicians lie. Lies of ommission and questions of semantics are one thing, but outright falsehoods like this are bizarre. Why would he insult the intelligence of his electorate to the extent that the truth is found in his own books? Now that takes some serious stones.

http://www.winnipegsun.com/news/canada/2011/04/10/17944316-qmi.html

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Everyone keeps talking about what a scholar igantieff is. He majored in history at Harvard. boy that will go a long way in politics

regarding the lies.. isn't that what the liberals do best?

Best or not, in a political speech this AM on CTV news network Iggy said "I have never voted in the US. I couldn't" .

Where is the truth if he claims to have voted in the States in one & than denies it on the air at another time?

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We know for a fact that he's a descendant of Russian nobility, that his family was wealthy, and that he lived a life of privilege. We know this, because he wrote about it extensively in his own book, The Russian Album.
It sounds like that book should be part of the CPC's campaign literature.
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Who cares if he voted in another country or not? If he was registered to vote there, what do you want him to do? Not show up to the polls like most Canadians?

I think the point is his false claims, don't you? No one is saying he shouldn't vote wherever he can squeeze one in - and apparently he's welcome to vote almost everywhere - just that he probably ought not write one thing and then claim the opposite during an election campaign. He seems to have taken a page from the Obama playbook; changing his persona depending on the audience. Hopefully Iggy won't claim to be a poor black sharecropper or a Mexican immigrant by this time next week.
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Who cares if somebody voted in another country. Canada is made up of a bunch of immigrants from foreign countries anyways. From a First Nations perspective, its just a bunch of immigrants labelling another immigrant, an immigrant, about who has more right to be here in Canada and running for office.

Most Canadians aren't even born here, they come here to vote though, and they still all believe that because they live on stolen property called Canada and pay morgages on it, that its o.k to be racist against each other, no matter what banana boat they came off of. Just look at Ignatieff, he spent some time out of country, and now he might aswell be from Bagdad, because it makes him Un-Canadian to leave. Well isn't that the most Canadian thing a person can do, since thats what Canada is all about, and thats immigrate to another country, since everybody immigrates here.

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If this thread is the best the Conservatives can do they may actually be in a lot more trouble than I realized.

Who the hell called Canada a failed state? :rolleyes:

“You know, I’m also someone who didn’t go to a foreign audience and call this country a second-class failed socialist state in front of a Republican audience,” he said. “I’m a proud Canadian and I’ve lived overseas, yeah – and wherever I’ve been, I’ve always supported progressive policies. So, in 2004, I thought John Kerry was a better idea than George W. Bush and only a conservative would think that George W. Bush was a better choice for the United States, but I can’t vote in the United States and never did.”
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Well, either Iggy lied about voting in his book or he is lying about it now. He's a liar either way. Would be curious to know the truth. It doesn't matter much if he voted abroad to me, but he shouldn't lie about it.

That's the issue with Iggy. He's just so fake. He has a lifetime of writing that is in complete disagreement with the policies he is advocating today. Iggy is the guy that supported the invasion of Iraq and the torture of terror suspects for example (when necessary). This isn't the same guy that we see on the stump today.

That's my biggest issue. I read most of his academic work, and I was really supportive of this guy having some role in Canadian politics. But the reality is that he ditched his lifetime of work to come up with some ultra-liberal/socialist policies to get elected. That's a big problem for me.

Anyone willing to sell themselves out on the cheap shouldn't be PM.

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Well, either Iggy lied about voting in his book or he is lying about it now. He's a liar either way. Would be curious to know the truth. It doesn't matter much if he voted abroad to me, but he shouldn't lie about it.

That's the issue with Iggy. He's just so fake. He has a lifetime of writing that is in complete disagreement with the policies he is advocating today. Iggy is the guy that supported the invasion of Iraq and the torture of terror suspects for example (when necessary). This isn't the same guy that we see on the stump today.

That's my biggest issue. I read most of his academic work, and I was really supportive of this guy having some role in Canadian politics. But the reality is that he ditched his lifetime of work to come up with some ultra-liberal/socialist policies to get elected. That's a big problem for me.

Anyone willing to sell themselves out on the cheap shouldn't be PM.

Just shocking isn't it! :D

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I think the point is his false claims, don't you? No one is saying he shouldn't vote wherever he can squeeze one in - and apparently he's welcome to vote almost everywhere - just that he probably ought not write one thing and then claim the opposite during an election campaign. He seems to have taken a page from the Obama playbook; changing his persona depending on the audience. Hopefully Iggy won't claim to be a poor black sharecropper or a Mexican immigrant by this time next week.

It just doesn't make sense. That kind of thing is pretty easy to figure out. Why would he lie about it and say he didn't vote somewhere else, if he were eligible? Do we even know that he actually voted in these places? Maybe he didn't. I don't know and I'm certainly not seeing this as an issue that merits the energy to find out more.

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So Iggy lied about voting, Stevie lied about Unit Trusts. Layton is lieing through his teeth about eliminating the deficite. I don't know enough about either the bloc or the Greens to be able to comment, but I'm sure it wouldn't take long to find a lie. They are politicians. Welcome to the real world.

But I still don't think Iggy is here for me. And I still think Stevie will hurt me less. Poor position to be in.

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You think the guy who refuses to answer for anything will hurt you less? He could have the best policies of any Prime Minister ever, just the fact that he spits in the face of parliamentary representation is enough for me to write him off.

I honestly think all the "scandals" involving Stevie and the Tories is mostly opposition hype and MSM wannastory crap. He's a long way from perfect, but still the lesser of evils.

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