maplesyrup Posted June 24, 2004 Report Share Posted June 24, 2004 Final Seat Projections: Cons: 118 Libs: 80 Bloc: 60 New Dem: 50 Total: 308 The Conservatives have come off a bit from their highs, not quite sure how much they have dropped There is still a big undecided vote out there, and some people are going to remain undecided right up until they are in the voter's booth. Monday will be an exciting night. Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maplesyrup Posted June 24, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2004 Election Prediction Project Current Prediction Prévision Courante: Liberal Party Party libéral 93 Conservatives Conservateurs 74 N.D.P. N.P.D. 17 Bloc Québécois 37 Too Close 87 Total 308 Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maplesyrup Posted June 24, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2004 Momentum Shifts: Conservatives Still Projected to be Ahead But Liberals Regaining Seats Based on Mid-June Polls The model suggests that a federal election held after the leadership debates would have produced a minority government situation. The Conservatives still would hold the greatest number of seats at 117, but that is down 8 seats since our last projection a week ago. Liberal strength has rebounded somewhat in the post-debate period – it now stands at 105 seats, up 7 since last week. The difference appears to be largely in Ontario. In this projection, the Bloc Quebecois has increased their support in Quebec to 60 seats – up two in the past week. The NDP seat projection is down one seat to 26 seats. Note that the projection here is based on the federal distribution of seats that came into effect this spring. Cons: 117, down 8 Libs: 105, up 7 Bloc: 60, up 2 New Dem: 26, down 1 Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blue Machine Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 114-Cons 112-Lib 58-Bloc 23-NDP 1-Green That's my two cents. Quote And as I take man's last step from the surface, for now but we believe not too far into the future. I just like to say what I believe history will record that America's challenge on today has forged man's destiny of tomorrow. And as we leave the surface of Taurus-Littrow, we leave as we came and god willing we shall return with peace and hope for all mankind. Godspeed the crew of Apollo 17. Gene Cernan, the last man on the moon, December 1972. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alliance Fanatic Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 I think the Liberal's will get a minority government. Ontario is once again buying the idea that the Liberal's are the only party with the god given right to govern. Then a year from now I truly believe Canadian's will elect the Liberal's to a majority. Is'nt it a bit strangen that the Liberal's have turned it around by scapegoating Albertan's into evil people who want to destroy medicare. Paul Martin is shoving his "Canadian Unity" BS down the Alberta Governments throat which 60% of Albertan's elected. Alberta may soon have a seperatist party come into the legislature in the next provincial election. Quote "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others" - George Orwell's Animal Farm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoker Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 Paul Martin is shoving his "Canadian Unity" BS down the Alberta Governments throat which 60% of Albertan's elected. Alberta may soon have a seperatist party come into the legislature in the next provincial election. I'd wonder if not just an Albertan party, but perhaps a serious western seperatist movement should be examined? I'd wonder what the figures (ie. population, GDP) of a country made up of British Columbia, Alberta and the Yukon would look like? If I had to guess, a "new" country made up of BC, Alberta and the Yukon would prove more viable then a sovereign Quebec would......... *If there was the intrest, I'd add Man, Sask and NWT to the "new" country* Quote The beaver, which has come to represent Canada as the eagle does the United States and the lion Britain, is a flat-tailed, slow-witted, toothy rodent known to bite off it's own testicles or to stand under its own falling trees. -June Callwood- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Blair Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 Man and a good part of Sask aren't interested, Stoker. There is no advantage to us in being second-class citizens to Alberta as opposed to Ottawa, but we are, at least, able to access some decent social programs from Ottawa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twister Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 From the Globe and Mail: A new Ipsos-Reid poll puts the Conservatives and Liberals in a statistical tie and also shows the Tories have regained their momentum just days before the election. The results: Liberals 32% (flat lined) Conservatives 31% (Up 3%) NDP 17% Bloc 12% Greens 6% As for Seat Projections the Tories still remain in the lead Conservatives 115-119 Liberals 99-103 More details were to be released tomorrow Globe and Mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 50 seats for the NDP???? I know you are in love with Layton and his idiotic policies but come on. There is no way they get half that many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 Oh ya and for my predictions: Conservatives- 124 Liberals- 110 Bloc- 60 NDP- 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoker Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 Man and a good part of Sask aren't interested, Stoker. There is no advantage to us in being second-class citizens to Alberta as opposed to Ottawa, but we are, at least, able to access some decent social programs from Ottawa. Sometimes I wonder if it would be best if Canada seperated (not divorced) for say a generation.....let Quebec goes it own way... let BC, Alberta and Yukon go another...... cut the Atlantic provinces adrift..... Sask, Man and terrortories can either stay with Ontario and let Ontario pay for their social programs or go their own way as well........ Then after 10-15 years, we see were everybody is at, then either contiune or get back together.....but if we do decide to "get back together", we look at each economy and use that as a watermark as how to decide which part of the country will have the bigger "say" on how Canada II is run......would be intresting Quote The beaver, which has come to represent Canada as the eagle does the United States and the lion Britain, is a flat-tailed, slow-witted, toothy rodent known to bite off it's own testicles or to stand under its own falling trees. -June Callwood- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Blair Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 There is much more to a country than the economy, Stoker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoker Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 There is much more to a country than the economy, Stoker. How's that? Money makes the world go around. Quote The beaver, which has come to represent Canada as the eagle does the United States and the lion Britain, is a flat-tailed, slow-witted, toothy rodent known to bite off it's own testicles or to stand under its own falling trees. -June Callwood- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remus Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 Man and a good part of Sask aren't interested, Stoker. There is no advantage to us in being second-class citizens to Alberta as opposed to Ottawa, but we are, at least, able to access some decent social programs from Ottawa. Thanks to the NDP governments in Sask, many native Saskites are already living in Alberta. To bad they don't count the foot vote in their provincial elections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiraly Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 There is much more to a country than the economy, Stoker. Yes there is, but I don't think that is the issue. I think the main issue is that there appears to be quite a large ideological divide growing within the country. It is almost impossible for the third of the population favouring one political ideology to elect a government that best represents their views when the other two thirds continually deny them. As a large part of of this third is concentrated in one region, one option is to do without what cannot be done from within Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoker Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 Yes there is, but I don't think that is the issue.I think the main issue is that there appears to be quite a large ideological divide growing within the country. It is almost impossible for the third of the population favouring one political ideology to elect a government that best represents their views when the other two thirds continually deny them. As a large part of of this third is concentrated in one region, one option is to do without what cannot be done from within Canada. Money is the underlining issue.........Westerners are tired of sending their money into what we think as an eastern blackhole with little political say and return on our "investment"....... Quote The beaver, which has come to represent Canada as the eagle does the United States and the lion Britain, is a flat-tailed, slow-witted, toothy rodent known to bite off it's own testicles or to stand under its own falling trees. -June Callwood- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 Yes there is, but I don't think that is the issue.I think the main issue is that there appears to be quite a large ideological divide growing within the country. It is almost impossible for the third of the population favouring one political ideology to elect a government that best represents their views when the other two thirds continually deny them. As a large part of of this third is concentrated in one region, one option is to do without what cannot be done from within Canada. What are the support levels for separating from Canada in the western regions ? How high would they have to be before a serious campaign could start with this sort of agenda ? Maybe another way to frame the discussion would be to discuss federal, regional and local responsibilities continent-wide. I don't care who I pay taxes to, but I'd like to live in a region with a strong social safety net. I also think that user-pay societies are inefficient and put too much of a burden on working people. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoker Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 I'm not sure Michael, but here is an intresting site: Western Canada Concept I find this part the most intresting: Western Canada produces 52% of Canada's fishery, forestry, mining and agricultural revenue with 27% of Canada's population. It produces 90% of Canada's oil, gas and coal. and A Western Canadian dollar, backed by Western Canadian resources would be worth twice what Canada's currency is worth today. We could be a prosperous, debt-free and independent nation...but it's up to you! Why do we need Eastern Canada again? Quote The beaver, which has come to represent Canada as the eagle does the United States and the lion Britain, is a flat-tailed, slow-witted, toothy rodent known to bite off it's own testicles or to stand under its own falling trees. -June Callwood- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiraly Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 What are the support levels for separating from Canada in the western regions ?How high would they have to be before a serious campaign could start with this sort of agenda ? Maybe another way to frame the discussion would be to discuss federal, regional and local responsibilities continent-wide. I don't care who I pay taxes to, but I'd like to live in a region with a strong social safety net. I also think that user-pay societies are inefficient and put too much of a burden on working people. I would say at this time there is very little support in B.C. However, when I ask conservative minded people if they would consider supporting secession, they respond by saying that they would entertain the idea. There is support in Alberta, but currently not at levels that would warrant concern. However, I don't think it would take much for that support to baloon. Once Albertans are personally affected financially, I would guess that support would increase. This would require several events taking place simultaneously. For example, continued mis-management of taxpayer's money, continued investment in expensive programs that are considered unnecessary along with a significant downturn in the economy - a recession. Most of us want a social safety net, but we may differ on the size and number of social programs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maplesyrup Posted June 28, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2004 I wish to revise my seat projections. They are as follows: Libs: 110 seats Cons: 108 seats Bloc: 50 seats New Dem: 40 seats Grn: 0 seats Total 308 seats Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1963 Posted June 28, 2004 Report Share Posted June 28, 2004 My preditions: Libs - 120 Cons - 110 Bloc - 50 NDP - 28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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