capricorn Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 So you would prefer to vote for a party that jibbers out the word "Coalition",trying to villify anyone who would consider the idea,when the leader of that party was quite prepared to do the very same thing with the very same people who (ostensibly) were'nt as horrible and scary in 2004??? You would prefer a party that has a book handed out to its members instructing them onhow to disrupt committee meetings? You would prefer a party that has now been found to be contemptuous of our parliamentary intitutions,in historic fashion? I'm not a fan of Mr.Ignatieff,but after all of this,if the Conservatives are prepared to act this way in a minority situation...A Tory majority is a very scary proposition... Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Shwa Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 To my knowledge, the last federal coalition was in the 1920's. When i say new and unused concept, I mean to say that for the overwhelming majority of Canadians, the possibility of a coalition has not entered their minds and is not taken into account when voting. No, no, no, no. The "new and unused concept" is contempt for Parliament. That is just any old low, it is a new low. But it was just a little contempt and they really didn't mean it did they? I wonder if the majority of Canadians will take this into account when voting? At least the concept of a coalition is respectful of Parliament and our democracy and perfectly legla as it turns out. Can't say that about contempt of Parliament can you? Quote
capricorn Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 So you would prefer to vote for a party that jibbers out the word "Coalition",trying to villify anyone who would consider the idea,when the leader of that party was quite prepared to do the very same thing with the very same people who (ostensibly) were'nt as horrible and scary in 2004??? You would prefer a party that has a book handed out to its members instructing them onhow to disrupt committee meetings? You would prefer a party that has now been found to be contemptuous of our parliamentary intitutions,in historic fashion? I answer yes to all your questions. I don't get hung up on procedures and procedural games played by politicians in a tit for tat contest. I vote on the issues. I'm for jets (equipping our military with the best), jails (accommodation for convicted criminals) and corporate tax cuts (to attract foreign investment and capital expenditures by our private sector to stimulate the economy i.e. job creation). The Conservatives offer these in their platform and the Liberals oppose them. Other considerations. I have no confidence in Ignatieff as a political leader. I loathe the manner in which the Liberal brass lured Ignatieff from Harvard with a promise he would become Prime Minister then anointed him leader. I am wary of why he came back to Canada after a 34 year absence. To boot, I still have a bad taste in my mouth over Adscam. I'm not a fan of Mr.Ignatieff,but after all of this,if the Conservatives are prepared to act this way in a minority situation...A Tory majority is a very scary proposition... Then good luck dealing with the monster lurking under your bed. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Shwa Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 I answer yes to all your questions.I don't get hung up on procedures and procedural games played by politicians in a tit for tat contest. I vote on the issues. I'm for jets (equipping our military with the best), jails (accommodation for convicted criminals) and corporate tax cuts (to attract foreign investment and capital expenditures by our private sector to stimulate the economy i.e. job creation). The Conservatives offer these in their platform and the Liberals oppose them. Of course lying about a few little old procedures here and there is just so complex and unimportant. Who needs to see any documents or tell the truth in Parliament, those are just little games played by the silly politicians. How could contempt of Parliament possibly an issue at all? Quote
Scotty Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 It must be very inconvenient to you (and Mr.Lukiwski,Mr.Toews,Mr.Nicholson,and,Mr.Harper) that The Speaker of the House found evidence of a Prima Facie case for the Conservative government to be found in Contempt of Parliament for the first time in the history of this country??? Yawn Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Jack Weber Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 Yawn Liberal corruption=BAD... Conservative corruption=meh... Is that your position? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Jack Weber Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 I answer yes to all your questions. I don't get hung up on procedures and procedural games played by politicians in a tit for tat contest. I vote on the issues. I'm for jets (equipping our military with the best), jails (accommodation for convicted criminals) and corporate tax cuts (to attract foreign investment and capital expenditures by our private sector to stimulate the economy i.e. job creation). The Conservatives offer these in their platform and the Liberals oppose them. Other considerations. I have no confidence in Ignatieff as a political leader. I loathe the manner in which the Liberal brass lured Ignatieff from Harvard with a promise he would become Prime Minister then anointed him leader. I am wary of why he came back to Canada after a 34 year absence. To boot, I still have a bad taste in my mouth over Adscam. Then good luck dealing with the monster lurking under your bed. So,to sum it all up... Tory corruption= necessary for the good of the country.. Liberal corruption=unsupportable... And the "monster" lurking under my bed was the Harris Tory government in Ontario... Don't look now,but look who are teo of the biggest mouthpieces for the Harper Conservatives... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Scotty Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 (edited) Liberal corruption=BAD... Conservative corruption=meh... Is that your position? Jean Chretien ordered the president of the government run Business Development Bank to uhm 'loan' a quarter million bucks to an ex-con business partner of Chretien's, then when the president tried to call in the loan for non-payment, he fired the guy. And when the guy complained, Chretien tried to have him railroaded into prison. Now suppose you tell me what Harper's done that comes ANYWHERE NEAR that, Jack. Edited March 26, 2011 by Scotty Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Jack Weber Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 Show me some Conservative government corruption, why don't you? How 'bout a cite for Contempt of Parliament...Just for starters!!! Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Scotty Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 How 'bout a cite for Contempt of Parliament...Just for starters!!! That's not corruption. Corruption as in Jean Chretien stealing a quarter million dollars from a Canadian government bank to give to an ex-con business partner. That's corruption. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Molly Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 That's not corruption. Corruption as in Jean Chretien stealing a quarter million dollars from a Canadian government bank to give to an ex-con business partner. That's corruption. I sorta thought that cheating in the last elexction might be considered corruption. What do you say, eh? Is fuddle-duddling with the numbers and the cheques to overspend, and then claim refunds no less.... is that corruption? Yes. I think it is. The way Peter MacKays friends all seem to get high paying government jobs... that looks a little suspicious, too. And what's this I hear about 'busty hookers'? Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
nicky10013 Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 That's not corruption. Corruption as in Jean Chretien stealing a quarter million dollars from a Canadian government bank to give to an ex-con business partner. That's corruption. His in and out fraud scheme allowed the CPC to apply for a larger tax credit. Is that not stealing? He bribed a dying man with $1,000,000 to bring down the Martin government. How isn't that corruption? Quote
Shwa Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 His in and out fraud scheme allowed the CPC to apply for a larger tax credit. Is that not stealing? He bribed a dying man with $1,000,000 to bring down the Martin government. How isn't that corruption? How isn't that corruption? Why, when you are socially conservative it is mere unfortunate necessity. It will all feel better in the morning, you wait and see. Besides, it was just a little 'contempt' anyways and all so political. Those politicians and their shenanigans. Quote
ToadBrother Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 That's not corruption. Corruption as in Jean Chretien stealing a quarter million dollars from a Canadian government bank to give to an ex-con business partner. That's corruption. And Chretien's gone, so it seems more than a little pathetic and desperate to keep harping on about him. Quote
Scotty Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 I sorta thought that cheating in the last elexction might be considered corruption. What do you say, eh? Is fuddle-duddling with the numbers and the cheques to overspend, and then claim refunds no less.... is that corruption? No, it's not. And it wouldn't be even if the Tories didn't have a very creditable legal case to say it was entirely legal. The way Peter MacKays friends all seem to get high paying government jobs... that looks a little suspicious, too. Patronage, while I don't like it, isn't corruption either - necessarily. That is, appointing a political supporter to a position is not corruption, legal or moral, as long as it's a real job. On the other hand when Jean Chretien invented a pretend job for the previous speaker of the house and gave him a million taxpayer dollars for it then THAT's corruption, moral if not legal. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 And Chretien's gone, so it seems more than a little pathetic and desperate to keep harping on about him. The Chretien government lives on as long as so many of its members, including cabinet ministers, figure so prominently in the current Liberal caucus. If Ignatieff were to get rid of them all then I'd stop talking about the Chretien government. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
ToadBrother Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 Patronage, while I don't like it, isn't corruption either - necessarily. That is, appointing a political supporter to a position is not corruption, legal or moral, as long as it's a real job. On the other hand when Jean Chretien invented a pretend job for the previous speaker of the house and gave him a million taxpayer dollars for it then THAT's corruption, moral if not legal. Somebody should point out to me which riding Chretien is running in. Quote
Scotty Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 His in and out fraud scheme allowed the CPC to apply for a larger tax credit. Is that not stealing Not when they have such a creditable case that they presumed it was legal. Remember that one judge has already sided with them. That doesn't exactly make it an open and shut case. And you know this is going up the ladder to the SC. He bribed a dying man with $1,000,000 to bring down the Martin government. How isn't that corruption? Did he steal public money like Jean Chretien did? Did he give out contacts for non-existent work and then get kickbacks for it like Jean Chretien did? No? Then it's not corruption. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Jack Weber Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 Did he steal public money like Jean Chretien did? Did he give out contacts for non-existent work and then get kickbacks for it like Jean Chretien did? No? Then it's not corruption. Just as I thought... "Our corruption is'nt as bad as thier corruption!" Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Scotty Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 Just as I thought... "Our corruption is'nt as bad as thier corruption!" As I pointed out earlier, when faced with only two choices you make the choice of which is best - or which is least worst. And by any reasonable definition, outright stealing money to give to your friends counts for a lot more than giving a dying man an insurance policy. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Molly Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 Tell you what, Scotty... Google "24,877.50". Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
Scotty Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 Tell you what, Scotty... Google "24,877.50". Daily settlement prices for nickel?? Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Jack Weber Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 As I pointed out earlier, when faced with only two choices you make the choice of which is best - or which is least worst. And by any reasonable definition, outright stealing money to give to your friends counts for a lot more than giving a dying man an insurance policy. And outright contempt for our democratic and parliamentary institutions,thumbing their colective noses at the constitution they swore to uphold AND the people of Canada that put them their,trump something that happened at least 5 years previous... And frankly,points to something a littel bit more sinister.. It's the Con's football for the last 5 years...They have to wear it now... But I see you're still stuck on Adscam/Coupscam and sanctimonious party advertised piety... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Scotty Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 And outright contempt for our democratic and parliamentary institutions,thumbing their colective noses at the constitution they swore to uphold AND the people of Canada that put them their,trump something that happened at least 5 years vious... Meh. Let's just say I make a distinction between theft and political games. As for "contempt of parliament" I've watched twenty years of Liberal governments show just how much contempt they can lavish on Parliament, and many of the MPs and Cabinet ministers from that last one are in Ignatieff's caucus now. I think Rex put it well. Why are we having an election? According to the Liberals, it’s because Stephen Harper is choking Canadian democracy, and, most of all, because he treats Parliament with contempt. That’s ripe from the Liberal party. When it enjoyed unrivalled electoral sway, as it seemingly did forever, it inscribed the A in Autocratic. It was led by Pierre Trudeau, who thought so much of Parliament that he described its elected members as “nobodies.” Rex Murphy Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Jack Weber Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 Meh. Let's just say I make a distinction between theft and political games. As for "contempt of parliament" I've watched twenty years of Liberal governments show just how much contempt they can lavish on Parliament, and many of the MPs and Cabinet ministers from that last one are in Ignatieff's caucus now. I think Rex put it well. Why are we having an election? According to the Liberals, it’s because Stephen Harper is choking Canadian democracy, and, most of all, because he treats Parliament with contempt. That’s ripe from the Liberal party. When it enjoyed unrivalled electoral sway, as it seemingly did forever, it inscribed the A in Autocratic. It was led by Pierre Trudeau, who thought so much of Parliament that he described its elected members as “nobodies.” Rex Murphy So when a government gets cited for contempt of parliament for the first time in Canadian history,it's "no biggie".. But something that happened over 5 years ago?? That's HHHUUUUGGGGEEE!!!! Got it! Classic partisan hackery... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
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