The end of the empire of Japan

[Oleg Bach]

The general public looks upon nuclear power as getting free energy out of the ether...something for nothing...This simply defys the laws of physics. The private sector and or the government are not willing to pay the bill when it comes to building a totally safe reactor...and an eternally safe way to contain nuclear waste. A totally safe reactor should be so well designed and the material so superiour that you should be able to hoist the whole plant into the air and drop it from a thousand feet on rock with no ill effects.

Containment of waste should be done with gold - and stainless steel - something that will never rust or leak even after 10 thousand years. The power plant in question came apart from the force of a little trembling of the earth and some splashing of water. That is because they want something cheap...cheap energy (something for nothing or next to nothing)- Nuclear power is feasable.................IF you are willing to spend billions on a totally safe plant...and I mean hundreds of billions....Problem being the cost of a totally safe plant will out weigh the benefits - that's the problem.

[TimG]

So TEPCO is lying when they said at first there were NO meltdowns, then admitted 3 reactors went into meltdown? You may also want to familiarize yourself with Michio Kaku and his background.

I have pointed out this before but you continually ignore it because it does not fit into to conspiracy theories that you are so deperate to peddle.

Here is a newspaper artical from MAR 28 where Japanese officials acknowledged that a meltdown occured:

http://english.ntdtv.com/ntdtv_en/news_asia/2011-03-28/japanese-officials-confirm-meltdown-at-fukushima-nuclear-reactor.html

"According to reports that I have received, the radiation seems to have come from fuel rods that temporarily melted down and came in contact with the water, used to cool the reactor. The meltdown was not continuous."

The nonsense that you are peddling that TEPCO denied that a meltdown occurred is just that: complete nonsense invented to sustain a conspiracy narrative that cannot stand up to any serious examination of the facts.

The fact that Michio Kaku did not know this or choose to lie about when TEPCO first started talking about a meltdown shows that, whatever is credentials, he is a anti-nuclear progandist and nothing he says can be taken at face value.

Edited June 25, 2011 by TimG

[ToadBrother]

Containment of waste should be done with gold - and stainless steel - something that will never rust or leak even after 10 thousand years. The power plant in question came apart from the force of a little trembling of the earth and some splashing of water. That is because they want something cheap...cheap energy (something for nothing or next to nothing)- Nuclear power is feasable.................IF you are willing to spend billions on a totally safe plant...and I mean hundreds of billions....Problem being the cost of a totally safe plant will out weigh the benefits - that's the problem.

I question that gold would remain stable if being blasted by decay products for extended periods. Lead and water tend to be much more effective, the only problem with water is that cores produce considerable heat which will boil it away.

Frankly, I suspect hauling the waste into salt mines would probably be as safe as anything, far below any water table and deep underground. Cap it off with a big concrete plug and I suspect it wouldn't be a problem at all.

[GostHacked]

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20111102/fukushima-japan-nuclear-plant-radioactive-particles-111102/

The operator of the crippled nuclear power plant in Japan said Wednesday it had found signs that nuclear fission is continuing unexpectedly in one of the reactors, even as workers attempt to bring the plant to a cold shutdown.

Utility officials said they detected gas inside the No. 2 reactor at the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear facility that indicated the presence of radioactive xenon, which is likely the byproduct of recent nuclear fission.

Tokyo Electric Power, or Tepco, said as a precaution, it was pouring a mixture of water and boric acid into the reactor, which should help prevent nuclear reaction.

The amount of xenon detected was small and there was no rise in the reactor's temperature or pressure, Tepco insisted.

But because the half-life of the isotopes detected is short, it's likely the xenon was created recently – within the last 10 days or so.

The kicker.

Even so, a Japanese government panel says it will take at least 30 years to safely decommission the facility. And a 20-kilometre exclusion zone around the facility remains in effect.

Before the Fukushima disaster, Japan relied on nuclear power for about one-third of its electricity. These days, 43 of the country's 54 reactors are offline for inspections or mechanical troubles.

Thirty years people.

[Wild Bill]

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20111102/fukushima-japan-nuclear-plant-radioactive-particles-111102/

The kicker.

Thirty years people.

So they've lost almost all their nuclear reactors. So what? Couldn't they just layout a few solar panels and put up a couple of wind turbines? I'm sure Dalton McGuinty would be willing to work as a consultant!

[GostHacked]

India switching to thorium reactors.

http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf53.html

They've been trying this since 2009, and if successful, will be the first country to widely use thorium FBRs. Safer and much more abundant than uranium, and cannot be used for weapons manufacturing.

The quake in Japan is helping accelerate the plan.

[GostHacked]

Looks like the crisis is far from over.... one more quake and reactor 4 will go.

It's already been confirmed that they have had complete liquefaction of 3 the cores and are now almost melted through the containment vessels.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20120518/fukushima-dai-ichi-risk-reactor-4-120519/

This crisis is as bad as it was on day one.

vA magnitude 7 or 7.5 earthquake would likely fracture that pool, and disaster would ensue, says Arnie Gundersen, a nuclear engineer with Fairewinds Energy Education who has visited the site.

The 1,535 spent fuel rods would become exposed to the air and would likely catch fire, with the most-recently added fuel rods igniting first.

The incredible heat generated from that blaze, Gundersen said, could then ignite the older fuel in the cooling pool, causing a massive oxygen-eating radiological fire that could not be extinguished with water.

"So the fear is the newest fuel could begin to burn and then we'd have a conflagration of the whole pool because it would become hotter and hotter. The health consequences of that are beyond where science has ever gone before," Gundersen told CTVNews.ca in an interview from his home in Vermont.

[eyeball]

"The No. 4 pool is about 100 feet above ground, is structurally damaged and is exposed to the open elements," Alvarez said in his response. "If an earthquake or other event were to cause this pool to drain this could result in a catastrophic radiological fire involving nearly 10 times the amount of Cesium-137 released by the Chernobyl accident."

It's like a bad movie. Where's Godzilla when we need him?

[bleeding heart]

It's like a bad movie. Where's Godzilla when we need him?

He was bought by Tristar Pictures (conglomerate: Sony) in '96 or '97, and has remained passively obedient ever since.

[GostHacked]

http://lightyears.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/28/low-levels-of-fukushima-cesium-found-in-west-coast-tuna/?hpt=hp_c2

The radiation has already circled the globe a few times. And has been detected all over North America not just the west coast.

Scientists hope to test new samples of Pacific bluefin tuna after low levels of radioactive cesium from Japan's Fukushima Daiichi nuclear accident turned up in fish caught off California in 2011, researchers reported Monday.

The bluefin spawn off Japan, and many migrate across the Pacific Ocean. Tissue samples taken from 15 bluefin caught in August, five months after the meltdowns at Fukushima Daiichi, all contained reactor byproducts cesium-134 and cesium-137 at levels that produced radiation about 3% higher than natural background sources - but well below levels considered dangerous for human consumption, the researchers say.

Cesium-137 has a radioactive half-life of about 30 years, and traces of the isotope still persist from above-ground nuclear bomb tests in the 1950s and '60s. But cesium-134, which has a half-life of only two years, "is inarguably from Fukushima Daiichi," Stanford University marine ecologist Dan Madigan told CNN.

More articles.

http://article.wn.com/view/2012/03/31/JAPANESE_FISH_CONTAMINATED_Highest_level_of_radioactive_cesi/

This is a good article here .... http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=28870

[GostHacked]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/07/05/japan-nuclear-power-report.html

Japan's whole nuclear industry will get overhauled, but could it be too late? All we need is another major quake and ...

[GostHacked]

Looks like the area was hit again with a 5.1 this time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1n31QPKInY&feature=g-all-lik

This can't be good.

[GostHacked]

Today is the 2nd anniversary of the earthquake/tsunami/nuclear nightmare.

Clean up at Fukushima is still ongoing. No signs of a resolution.

[Boges]

Wow what an old thread.

Didn't the Empire of Japan sort of end with Little Boy and Fat Man?

[GostHacked]

Wow what an old thread.

Didn't the Empire of Japan sort of end with Little Boy and Fat Man?

Yeah the thread is old, but still the nuclear nightmare continues in Japan.

[TimG]

Yeah the thread is old, but still the nuclear nightmare continues in Japan.

nightmare?

http://science.time.com/2012/03/02/nuked-how-bad-was-fukushima/

As it happens, scientists have begun to compile early assessments of the health impacts of Fukushima — and the conclusions are less than catastrophic. Researchers speaking at a conference for the Health Physics Society said the health threat to Japanese from radiation exposure looks to be extremely low. Even the brave workers who stayed behind at the plant had radiation exposure that was more than 10 times lower than the levels received by the half-million people who helped entomb the Chernobyl reaction more than two decades ago. They estimated that the risk of getting cancer for those exposed would increase 0.002%, and the risk of dying from cancer would rise by 0.001%. “I received more radiation on my transcontinental flights from Tokyo to Washington than I did at the reactor site,” said John Boice, a professor at Vanderbilt University and the incoming president of the National Council on Radiation Protection & Measurements.

Edited March 11, 2013 by TimG

[Bonam]

nightmare?

http://science.time.com/2012/03/02/nuked-how-bad-was-fukushima/

Don't try to interject numbers into mindless panic, it only makes the peasants look for witches harder.

[TheNewTeddy]

Japan is still an Empire, and remains so, as long as it has an Emperor.

[bush_cheney2004]

Don't try to interject numbers into mindless panic, it only makes the peasants look for witches harder.

Agreed.....the poor dears are so afraid of what they don't understand:

[GostHacked]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/03/18/japan-daiichi-nuclear-plant-failure.html

I think the picture they have there is quite misleading as it shows the plant before the triple whammy.

Workers at the tsunami-damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant in Japan are trying to fix a crucial part of the plant that stopped working today.

The system that cools hundreds of spent fuel rods that are stored at the facility has stopped working, which could have dangerous consequences, CBC News producer Craig Dale has learned.

The Tokyo Electric Power Company confirmed that it had a partial power failure Monday evening and then discovered the problem with an electricity supply unit.

Currently the cooling systems in reactors one, three and four are not operational and representatives from TEPCO are unsure how to fix them.

However TEPCO says it should have a solution within a few days and that the fuel rods stored in the pools will remain safe for at least four days without fresh cooling water

LOL You had 3 reactors blow their tops and the fuel pools on the 3 reactors destroyed. So they must be talking about the 3 reactors that did not blow. Reactors 5 and 6 were offline because of maintenance and did not suffer meltdowns.

Two years later and this is still a huge crisis.

[TimG]

http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/05/31/experts-foresee-no-detectable-health-impact-from-fukushima-radiation/

Experts Foresee No Detectable Health Impact from Fukushima Radiation

The levels of exposure to radiation following the leaks and explosions at the earthquake-damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power station in 2011 were so low that they led today to this important conclusion from experts convened in Vienna by the United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effect of Atomic Radiation:

It is unlikely to be able to attribute any health effects in the future among the general public and the vast majority of workers.

Yet this is despite the multiple meltdowns that we now know occurred. I personally think the Fukushima incident should increase our confidence in nuclear power because, despite the appearance of a great disaster, the data coming in after the fact is making it clear that the fear mongers were completely wrong and that harmful effects of radiation are being greatly exaggerated. Edited June 1, 2013 by TimG

[GostHacked]

http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/05/31/experts-foresee-no-detectable-health-impact-from-fukushima-radiation/

Yet this is despite the multiple meltdowns that we now know occurred. I personally think the Fukushima incident should increase our confidence in nuclear power because, despite the appearance of a great disaster, the data coming in after the fact is making it clear that the fear mongers were completely wrong and that harmful effects of radiation are being greatly exaggerated.

Still trying to downplay this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1J_33iKiGY

[TimG]

Still trying to downplay this?

The fact that some radiation is detectable does not mean the radiation is dangerous. The report I linked about makes it clear that scientists do not expect to be able to measure any effect of the accident in the health of the population or the most of the plant workers.

[GostHacked]

The fact that some radiation is detectable does not mean the radiation is dangerous. The report I linked about makes it clear that scientists do not expect to be able to measure any effect of the accident in the health of the population or the most of the plant workers.

Hey, do you recall in this thread where you said there were no meltdowns? TEPCO kept that from the public for months. Still going to say that they are giving us correct information regarding Fukushima? TEPCO has a shady history.

[TimG]

Hey, do you recall in this thread where you said there were no meltdowns?

At the time they had no way to know if meltdowns had occurred. In any case, meltdowns are a red herring because they don't matter if the radiation is kept contained. That appears to be the case. At the time I had not completely understood that a meltdown is not the total disaster that nuclear-phobes make them out to be.

But what really matters is the effect on human health in the years after the accident. The consensus medical opinion now seems to be that the effects on human health will be too small to measure. This proves that most of my claims about the accident were correct and most of your predictions (worse than Chernobyl, they would have to entomb the reactors in concrete, etc) were completely wrong.