And people say harper is a control freak

[PIK]

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2010/10/27/don-martin-ottawas-big-red-control-freaks/

[scribblet]

Ain't it grand LOL wonder if Iggy will catch up to Chretien -

[capricorn]

Harper may be a control freak but that's one in a caucus of 143. On the other hand, the Liberals have 77 control freaks. So which leader controls his caucus? No need to even ask the question.

[Topaz]

So are you three, saying you are in agreement with allowing senior immigrants collecting only being here 3 years?

[punked]

So are you three, saying you are in agreement with allowing senior immigrants collecting only being here 3 years?

You ignore all the other LIBERAL bills the Leader has pulled support from. Remember the womens health bill that failed after Liberals broke from the pack? What about the Mining bill that failed because the Liberal leader pulled the old disappearing act. There are plenty progressive issues falling by the wayside because the Liberal leader is scared what the Conservatives will say Topaz so don't make this about 1 bill because it isn't.

It is about workers rights, womens rights, and human rights the Liberal leader keeps failing on. Like it or not Ruby's bill is not the only to fall because the Leader of the Liberals is not doing progressives justice.

[daniel]

Harper may be a control freak but that's one in a caucus of 143. On the other hand, the Liberals have 77 control freaks. So which leader controls his caucus? No need to even ask the question.

So make up your mind and stop whining about it. Do you support control freaks or not?

[Shakeyhands]

it must be difficult for you Booster Club members to see Liberal MP's that are allowed to speak.

The National Post btw? Best kept for emergency TP.

[capricorn]

So make up your mind and stop whining about it. Do you support control freaks or not?

I'd rather have a party leader leading a caucus that speaks with one voice. Ignatieff swings in all directions like a weather vane.

Ignatieff’s mixed message on mining leaves Liberal heads spinning

Some Liberals are confused as to where their leader, Michael Ignatieff, stands on issues. Wednesday night was a good example.

Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff, a human rights expert and former academic, indicated last week in caucus he was not in favour of a private member’s bill by Scarborough MP John McKay that called for Canadian mining firms to act ethically abroad or face sanctions, including being denied taxpayer funding.

In caucus this week, however, sources say he did not say a word about it. Instead his Whip, Marcel Proulx, was quietly encouraging Liberal MPs to stay away from the third reading vote Wednesday evening to ensure the bill would be defeated.

Some Liberals were perturbed that Mr. Ignatieff was inserting himself into private member’s business as many MPs view such legislation as their sole opportunity – amid all sorts of control measures by party officials – to practice democracy by voting freely.

Later in the day, perhaps fearing a bit of a backlash from MPs, Mr. Ignatieff’s office sent out a curious backgrounder and series of talking points regarding the bill to caucus members just before Wednesday’s vote. It seemed to suggest the Liberals were falling in line behind Mr. McKay’s proposal.

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It then went on to note that this controversial bill could be improved in the Senate. Some Liberals thought this meant the party leadership was now in favour of the bill.

But it wasn’t to be. A short while later the bill was defeated thanks to a number of Liberal MPs, including Mr. Ignatieff, who did not come show up to vote. Mr. McKay’s legislation was defeated 140 to 134.

Then, a few minutes after the vote, the Liberals sent out another release. “Despite the defeat of C-300, the Liberal Party remains committed to the important principle of corporate social responsibility for Canadian industries at home and abroad,” Mr. Igntaieff said in the statement.

He went on to talk about having an “open and transparent process” to deal with CSR issues. Not surprisingly, some Liberals were scratching their heads as to where Mr. Ignatieff actually stands on this issue.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/ignatieffs-mixed-message-on-mining-leaves-liberal-heads-spinning/article1776539/

Weather vane Ignatieff is all over the map and his Liberals are getting dizzy trying to follow his moves. Some control by Ignatieff would be a good thing at this juncture but I don't think he's up to the challenge.

[capricorn]

To reinforce my point about how wishy washy Ignatieff can be, this from the Torstar.

If Ignatieff doesn’t stand with McKay and most of his caucus, just where does he stand? Canadians need to know.

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorials/article/882726--ethical-mining-what-s-ignatieff-s-view

Liberals and Canadians deserve better from a leader of the opposition.