Responsibility over Gaza

[naomiglover]

Is the devastation our fault as well?

Why did it take a group of peace activists to get the world to seriously question the blockade?

Why, for all these years, the quartet has gone along with it? What about Egypt? A supposed defender of Palestinians. Why has it contributed to the blockade by sealing its border?

[bush_cheney2004]

Is the devastation our fault as well?

LOL! They finally got to you, huh? Never let 'em see you sweat!

Why did it take a group of peace activists to get the world to seriously question the blockade?

It actually took DEAD peace activists...otherwise very boring as before.

Why, for all these years, the quartet has gone along with it? What about Egypt? A supposed defender of Palestinians. Why has it contributed to the blockade by sealing its border?

What "quartet"? Egypt has opened its border for a few days...then..it's back to business as usual!

[dre]

Is the devastation our fault as well?

Why did it take a group of peace activists to get the world to seriously question the blockade?

Why, for all these years, the quartet has gone along with it? What about Egypt? A supposed defender of Palestinians. Why has it contributed to the blockade by sealing its border?

Egypt gets paid billions of dollars in Aid and Arms by the US to tow the line over there.

As for the blockade and the rest of the stuff going on over there, I think people have just come to the realization that the conflict is unsolvable and that its going to go on for hundreds of years more, or until theres someone that can force both sides to behave and enforce international law.

Its hard for people to put a lot of effort into a cause they know is completely futile.

[naomiglover]

LOL! They finally got to you, huh? Never let 'em see you sweat!

Finally?

It actually took DEAD peace activists...otherwise very boring as before.

What "quartet"? Egypt has opened its border for a few days...then..it's back to business as usual!

Hopefully this won't be another case of the governments pandering to the public outrage for a short period of time, and then back to business as usual.

[naomiglover]

Egypt gets paid billions of dollars in Aid and Arms by the US to tow the line over there.

Yes.

We know that Israel will not do the right thing, but what about Egypt?

The Egyptian government is quietly getting away with an atrocity. It's not only going against what is right but also against what its own people want.

As for the blockade and the rest of the stuff going on over there, I think people have just come to the realization that the conflict is unsolvable and that its going to go on for hundreds of years more, or until theres someone that can force both sides to behave and enforce international law.

Its hard for people to put a lot of effort into a cause they know is completely futile.

As small as our voices are, I still believe, even a drop in this large bucket makes a difference.

[bush_cheney2004]

...Hopefully this won't be another case of the governments pandering to the public outrage for a short period of time, and then back to business as usual.

Why not? Gaza has milked its 15 minutes of fame far too long...the world has grown weary of the same old crap year after year. Not even pitched sword fights with the IDF on the high seas will keep attention for long.

Maybe they could shoot another Kennedy for more respect and sympathy!

[M.Dancer]

If the desire for a just peace was actually the real objective the call would be for Responsibility in Gaza.

As long as the quasi facsist Hamas is intent on self destruction and rule with murder and violence, then peace is not at all desirable.

[naomiglover]

Why not? Gaza has milked its 15 minutes of fame far too long...the world has grown weary of the same old crap year after year. Not even pitched sword fights with the IDF on the high seas will keep attention for long.

Maybe they could shoot another Kennedy for more respect and sympathy!

This time it's somebody other than the usual Palestinians who have been killed. It will come down to a few matters in the next few months, which will determine if things will be any different:

- How short is US leash around Turkey, an important NATO member.

- How important is business with Israel for Turkey

- How long the flame will last in the international community in addressing the blockade and Israel's violations of humanitarian laws

- How much longer will the EU governments say what their people want to hear

[bush_cheney2004]

- How short is US leash around Turkey, an important NATO member.

Very short...Turkey is already playing the part with calls for an apology and compensation for the victims. No problem...who do we make the check out to?

- How important is business with Israel for Turkey

About $2.5 billion US between them. Lots of tourists!

- How long the flame will last in the international community in addressing the blockade and Israel's violations of humanitarian laws

Three years and counting....

- How much longer will the EU governments say what their people want to hear

The EU has bigger problems right now than to worry about Gazans and their model rocket program.

Edited June 1, 2010 by bush_cheney2004

[scribblet]

'Peace' activists my foot !!!

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=287169

how much plainer can they be here

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/tobin/302256

Thus, efforts to break this blockade and the international isolation imposed on this Hamasistan, created to force Gaza’s rulers to renounce their allegiance to a program pledged to the violent destruction of Israel, have little to do with sympathy for Gazans and everything to do with fueling anti-Israel propaganda. Though European sympathy for the “plight” of besieged Gaza is commonplace, support for breaking the blockade means freedom for Hamas, not the people who must live under the rule of Islamist tyrants.

[naomiglover]

'Peace' activists my foot !!!

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=287169

how much plainer can they be here

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/tobin/302256

Thank you propaganda.

Here are the first few sentences in the commentary you are posting:

For those who wish to end the continued existence of a sovereign Jewish state on the shores of the Mediterranean, there is only one cause worth caring about: breaking the limited blockade that both Israel and Egypt have placed on Hamas-ruled Gaza.For those who wish to end the continued existence of a sovereign Jewish state on the shores of the Mediterranean, there is only one cause worth caring about: breaking the limited blockade that both Israel and Egypt have placed on Hamas-ruled Gaza.

So if you support the end of the blockade, you want the Jews to die.

I have seen 2 posts from you today and both have been extreme propaganda. Way to sink your credibility.

[DogOnPorch]

Sez li`l miss Jew-baiter.

[scribblet]

Yeah !! but really, if Israel did end the blockade we know what would happen - funny if some one poses an opposing opinion it's propaganda but their opinions are not. LOL

Maybe Israel should just end the blockade and let Hamas import all the munitions and Iranian money they can get their hands on so that they can actually carry out their mission of eliminating all of Israel.

Of course, we know that the pro-Palestinian/terrorist activists released from Israeli detention will somehow think it's okay torun a blockade and throw stun grenades at the soldiers etc. etc.

A blockade that is necessary to prevent attacks on Israel.

Edited June 2, 2010 by scriblett

[naomiglover]

Yeah !! but really, if Israel did end the blockade we know what would happen - funny if some one poses an opposing opinion it's propaganda but their opinions are not. LOL

Maybe Israel should just end the blockade and let Hamas import all the munitions and Iranian money they can get their hands on so that they can actually carry out their mission of eliminating all of Israel.

Of course, we know that the pro-Palestinian/terrorist activists released from Israeli detention will somehow think it's okay torun a blockade and throw stun grenades at the soldiers etc. etc.

A blockade that is necessary to prevent attacks on Israel.

You realize that children's toys, chocolate and jam are banned from going into Gaza.

Until not too long ago, diapers and crayons were banned.

This blockade is a collective punishment and is humanitarian disaster.

The aid ships that were seized were already inspected by the Cyprus authorities and nothing illegal was found.

Stop with the hysteria. Sending food and medicine to the Gaza people is not going to kill the Jews.

[M.Dancer]

Sending food and medicine to the Gaza people is not going to kill the Jews.

Stop with the hysteria, food and medicine arrive weekly.....

[naomiglover]

Stop with the hysteria, food and medicine arrive weekly.....

Navi Pillay, the United Nations' human rights chief, called the blockade devastating in an August 2009 report. Pillay said it constituted collective punishment, illegal under international law. Link

A 2008 report from the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) found that 70 per cent of Gaza's population suffered from "food insecurity." Link

World Health Organisation says dozens of basic medicines are unavailable in Gaza Link

Why are you okay with the suffering of the Gazans?

Edited June 2, 2010 by naomiglover

[M.Dancer]

"food insecurity."

food insecurity?

'Darling...do these falafels make me look fat?"

[Jack Weber]

food insecurity?

'Darling...do these falafels make me look fat?"

Classic....

[DogOnPorch]

Why are you okay with the suffering of the Gazans?

Probably the same reason you kiss terrorist ass.

[scribblet]

You realize that children's toys, chocolate and jam are banned from going into Gaza.

Until not too long ago, diapers and crayons were banned.

This blockade is a collective punishment and is humanitarian disaster.

The aid ships that were seized were already inspected by the Cyprus authorities and nothing illegal was found.

Stop with the hysteria. Sending food and medicine to the Gaza people is not going to kill the Jews.

You too can stop with the hysteria, checked out what has been delivered to the 'palestinians' lately e.g.

“it can tell an indifferent world what actually entered Gaza legally from Israel just this last week of the “siege”: 637 truckloads, consisting of 14,069 tons of humanitarian aid.

“Among the goods for Gaza civilians were 810,209 liters of heavy duty diesel fuel; 21 truckloads of milk powder and baby food; 897 tons of cooking gas; 66 truckloads of fruits and vegetables; 51 truckloads of wheat; 27 truckloads of meat, chicken and fish products; 40 truckloads of dairy products; 117 truckloads of animal feed; 36 truckloads of hygiene products; 38 trucks of clothing; 22 trucks of sugar and 4 trucks of medicine and medical equipment.

“In addition to that, 781 medical patients and accompanying individuals from the Gaza Strip crossed into Israel to receive treatment in various hospitals and 191 staff members of international organizations crossed into the Gaza Strip, and 202 crossed back from Gaza.”

Pretty impressive, especially when you consider that this is all being done by Israel for a people that wants to destroy it. As Cooper adds, it would also be appropriate to remind the world of what was emanating from the Palestinian territories before barriers and sanctions were fully in place. Here is Cooper’s (partial) list:

** June 1, 2001 - 21 killed and 120 Israelis - mostly teenagers - wounded outside a Tel Aviv disco.

** August 9, 2001 - 15 people were killed, including 7 children, and 130 injured in a suicide bombing at Sbarro’s in downtown Jerusalem.

** December 1, 2001 - two genocide bombers detonated explosive devices on Jerusalem’s Ben Yehuda’s pedestrian mall on a Saturday night. A car bomb exploded nearby 20 minutes later. Ten people were killed, including many children, and 188 were injured.

** February 16, 2002 - A suicide bomber deliberately targeted Jewish children sitting at a pizzeria in the town of Karnei Shomron. Three children died and over 30 were wounded.

** March 9, 2002 - A suicide bomber kills 11 people and injures 54 in a crowded Cafe in Jerusalem

** March 27, 2002 – At a Passover Seder in a Netanya hotel, a genocide bomber belonging to Fatah’s al-Aqsa Martyrs detonated an explosive device, killing 30 and injuring 132, including many children and elderly.

** January 5, 2003 - 23 people were killed, and more than 80 were wounded when two Palestinian murderers blew themselves up near the old Tel Aviv bus station.

** June 11, 2003 - Sixteen Israelis were killed and more than 100 were wounded when a homicide bomber, dressed as an ultra-Orthodox Jew, detonated his explosives belt on a bus in downtown Jerusalem. Palestinian terrorists have attempted 11 homicide bombings and murdered 23 Israelis in the last 4 days, since Palestinians “accepted” the international “roadmap for peace.”

** January 15, 2004 - Two Israeli soldiers, a border policeman, and a security guard for a private manpower company, were murdered by a female suicide bomber at the Erez Gaza crossing.

** September 1, 2004 - Two suicide bombers exploded almost simultaneously on two buses in central Beersheba, killing 16 innocents and wounding dozens.

It all puts things in some perspective, doesn’t it? Which is precisely why the CBC et al won't be writing about that.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3892605,00.html

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Oh, and I hope they are enjoying that olympic swimming pool they just built

[bush_cheney2004]

....Why are you okay with the suffering of the Gazans?

Because they live like kings compared to SubSaharan Africans or Haitians. Boooyah!

[skikdi]

I only just joined this forum but the attitude most of you hold just sickens me.

I cant believe how Israel broke international law and not one person is able to condemn them (Harper included). No wonder Canada's losing its integrity

[M.Dancer]

I only just joined this forum but the attitude most of you hold just sickens me.

I cant believe how Israel broke international law and not one person is able to condemn them (Harper included). No wonder Canada's losing its integrity

I condemn Israel for boarding the blockade running vessel armed with paintball guns, there by fooling the militants and making them think they could repel the IDF and causing them to beat the IDF boarders senseless...

Happy?

Did you have a particular international law in mind or was that just a blanket "not sure but there must be a law against soldiers carrying paintball guns kind of law"?

[scribblet]

Canada's integrity is intact, Palestine however, never had any to begin with. If the "Palestinians" quit attacking Israel and attempting to annihilate them by bringing in munitions with which to do it with, a blockade wouldn't be necessary.

Israel is provoked, Israel responds to such provocations but in the end you people always chastise Israel.

For those who wish to end the continued existence of a sovereign Jewish state on the shores of the Mediterranean, there is only one cause worth caring about: breaking the limited blockade that both Israel and Egypt have placed on Hamas-ruled Gaza. No one in Gaza is starving. All are fed by a United Nations and Israel.

http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=113

Anatomy of Hate

Since the Palestinian Authority was established it has systematically indoctrinated young and old to hate Israelis and Jews. Using media, education, and cultural structures that it controls, the PA has actively promoted religious hatred, demonization, conspiracy libels, etc. These are packaged to present Israelis and Jews as endangering Palestinians, Arabs, and all humanity. This ongoing campaign has so successfully instilled hatred that fighting, murder and even suicide terror against Israelis and Jews are seen by the majority of Palestinians as justified self-defense and as Allah’s will.

Demonization of Jews/Israelis

[skikdi]

I condemn Israel for boarding the blockade running vessel armed with paintball guns, there by fooling the militants and making them think they could repel the IDF and causing them to beat the IDF boarders senseless...

Happy?

Did you have a particular international law in mind or was that just a blanket "not sure but there must be a law against soldiers carrying paintball guns kind of law"?

They had no right being on that vessel on the first place. It a hundred miles from shore, their jurisdiction stretches 3 nautical miles from Gaza. Therefore them boarding a foreign vessel on international waters with arms is a clear act of piracy. Thats where they broke international law and you cant justify it.

And we havent even gotten into whether the bloackade is even legitimate, but thats another story.

What bothers me as a Canadian is that our government has this partisan trust for the state of Israel, and so they couldnt even condemn the act. Thats what gets me, our loyalty to them has gotten in the way of our values that a decade ago were so cherished.

And dont use bland sarcasm, it takes away from the substance of your reply