Topaz Posted August 7, 2010 Report Share Posted August 7, 2010 It was probably part of the deal with the countries that were behind the 9/11. Maybe they are blackmailing the US government and saying if you dom't build it, then we will tell the world how YOU let 9/11 happen and were the missing 2.3 trillion dollars went. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted August 7, 2010 Report Share Posted August 7, 2010 I mean, that since these guys are all muslim, that's why the muslims shouldn't build the mosque there. I'm not sure where you're getting that from. I was simply responding to the claim that it's somehow bigoted to rightly point out the obvious relation between Islam and 9/11. Some of you seem to have your heads buried in the sand. Probably on purpose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Bandelot Posted August 7, 2010 Report Share Posted August 7, 2010 I'm not sure where you're getting that from. I was simply responding to the claim that it's somehow bigoted to rightly point out the obvious relation between Islam and 9/11. Some of you seem to have your heads buried in the sand. Probably on purpose. Like I said, it's too delicately worded in political correctness for me to get it. The truth is simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted August 7, 2010 Report Share Posted August 7, 2010 Like I said, it's too delicately worded in political correctness for me to get it. The truth is simple. Fair enough. However, if you can't grasp that concept, perhaps you shouldn't be posting in this thread. Leave it to people who can understand things like these. That way you don't look so foolish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted August 7, 2010 Report Share Posted August 7, 2010 (edited) I'm not sure where you're getting that from. I was simply responding to the claim that it's somehow bigoted to rightly point out the obvious relation between Islam and 9/11. Some of you seem to have your heads buried in the sand. Probably on purpose. I never thought I would quote Ron Paul but I am going to because he has a different view point then you do and at least it isn't a simpleton one. Even Ron Paul gets it is way more complicated then "Terrorists are Muslim and they hate freedom." Why can't you? Edited August 7, 2010 by punked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msj Posted August 7, 2010 Report Share Posted August 7, 2010 The 9/11 Hijackers Mohamed Atta Waleed al-Shehri Wail al-Shehri Abdulaziz al-Omari Satam al-Suqami Marwan al-Shehhi Fayez Banihammad Mohand al-Shehri Hamza al-Ghamdi Ahmed al-Ghamdi Hani Hanjour Khalid al-Mihdhar Majed Moqed Nawaf al-Hazmi Salem al-Hazmi Ziad Jarrah Ahmed al-Haznawi Ahmed al-Nami Saeed al-Ghamdi Hmmm, if only there was something in common with all these individuals. But I can't quite put my finger on it. Oooh, oooh, is it that they were all men? Is it? Is it? Good thing no one wants to build a bath house on 9/11 ground! Paul Krugman had a good post about this issue: Bad for the Jews: So let’s try some comparable cases, OK? It causes some people pain to see Jews operating small businesses in non-Jewish neighborhoods; it causes some people pain to see Jews writing for national publications (as I learn from my mailbox most weeks); it causes some people pain to see Jews on the Supreme Court. So would ADL [Anti-Defamation League] agree that we should ban Jews from these activities, so as to spare these people pain? No? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted August 7, 2010 Report Share Posted August 7, 2010 (edited) Oooh, oooh, is it that they were all men? Is it? Is it? Good thing no one wants to build a bath house on 9/11 ground! Paul Krugman had a good post about this issue: Bad for the Jews: Love Paul Krugman he is a voice of reason in an otherwise muddled world. Edited August 7, 2010 by punked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Bandelot Posted August 7, 2010 Report Share Posted August 7, 2010 Fair enough. However, if you can't grasp that concept, perhaps you shouldn't be posting in this thread. Leave it to people who can understand things like these. That way you don't look so foolish. I don't care how you see me. But I'd rather not be seen agreeing with Newt Gingrich, Pat Robertson and Sarah Palin in this. Besides, my view is that the mosque should have been allowed, as long as it appeals to moderate people, muslim or non. But regardless of whether it gets built or not, that is almost secondary now, to what the debate itself reveals about the mentality of people. That much I understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted August 7, 2010 Report Share Posted August 7, 2010 Krugman: So let’s try some comparable cases, OK? It causes some people pain to see Jews operating small businesses in non-Jewish neighborhoods; it causes some people pain to see Jews writing for national publications (as I learn from my mailbox most weeks); it causes some people pain to see Jews on the Supreme Court. So would ADL [Anti-Defamation League] agree that we should ban Jews from these activities, so as to spare these people pain? No? Except of course that the cases are not comparable. Get back to me after Jews crash airplanes into skyscrapers on American soil and kill thousands of American civilians in the process, and then want to build a synagogue in the ruins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TrueMetis Posted August 7, 2010 Report Share Posted August 7, 2010 Except of course that the cases are not comparable. Get back to me after Jews crash airplanes into skyscrapers on American soil and kill thousands of American civilians in the process, and then want to build a synagogue in the ruins. Well come back to me when Muslims do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted August 7, 2010 Report Share Posted August 7, 2010 Well come back to me when Muslims do that. Ok ok, a few blocks down the street from the ruins. Technicalities, sheesh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Bandelot Posted August 7, 2010 Report Share Posted August 7, 2010 Ok ok, a few blocks down the street from the ruins. Technicalities, sheesh. Yeah. Plus, it's a cultural center with a mosque in one room. Plus, the building was used as an impromptu mosque before they announced they were going to renovate it. So muslims were going there up to 5 times a day, every day for probably several years already. But now they announced they want to build it up, what happens? Boom. Targeted by extremists. And their apologists. As well as those who don't agree with them, but merely "understand". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted August 7, 2010 Report Share Posted August 7, 2010 Yeah. Plus, it's a cultural center with a mosque in one room. Plus, the building was used as an impromptu mosque before they announced they were going to renovate it. So muslims were going there up to 5 times a day, every day for probably several years already. But now they announced they want to build it up, what happens? Boom. Targeted by extremists. And their apologists. As well as those who don't agree with them, but merely "understand". What is nice about it is most the people banging their drums about it don't even live in NY. Guess what Newt, Sarah, Shady and the States rights crowd. YOU DON'T GET A SAY! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msj Posted August 7, 2010 Report Share Posted August 7, 2010 Except of course that the cases are not comparable. Get back to me after Jews crash airplanes into skyscrapers on American soil and kill thousands of American civilians in the process, and then want to build a synagogue in the ruins. Sure, and I suppose it's surprising to you that Germany has an embassy in Israel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted August 7, 2010 Report Share Posted August 7, 2010 (edited) Sure, and I suppose it's surprising to you that Germany has an embassy in Israel. Why would that surprise me? Israel and Germany have had close ties since relatively soon after the war. Germany paid extensive reparations to surviving Jews and to the state of Israel on behalf of those Jews that had no surviving families. German war criminals were tried and punished. Hostilities are long since over and the German and Jewish people are for the most part reconciled. The same cannot be said of the United States and Islamic extremists. Edited August 7, 2010 by Bonam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted August 7, 2010 Report Share Posted August 7, 2010 Why would that surprise me? Israel and Germany have had close ties since relatively soon after the war. Germany paid extensive reparations to surviving Jews and to the state of Israel on behalf of those Jews that had no surviving families. German war criminals were tried and punished. Hostilities are long since over and the German and Jewish people are for the most part reconciled. The same cannot be said of the United States and Islamic extremists. The same cannot be said of the United States and Islamic extremists. Sure but they (extremists) arent the ones that want to build the stupid church. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msj Posted August 7, 2010 Report Share Posted August 7, 2010 Why would that surprise me? Israel and Germany have had close ties since relatively soon after the war. Germany paid extensive reparations to surviving Jews and to the state of Israel on behalf of those Jews that had no surviving families. German war criminals were tried and punished. Hostilities are long since over and the German and Jewish people are for the most part reconciled. The same cannot be said of the United States and Islamic extremists. The bigots just don't get it, do you? All Muslims are not Islamic extremists just like all Germans are not Nazi's and just like not all Jews are evil world dominating bankers (or whatever the anti-jewish flavour of the day is) just like not all Catholic priests are child molesters etc.... BTW, of course I support warm relations between Germany and Israel. As I support warm relations between Americans who are not Muslim and Americans who are Muslim and would like to worship in a mosque that may happen to end up on 9/11 soil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted August 7, 2010 Report Share Posted August 7, 2010 The bigots just don't get it, do you? All Muslims are not Islamic extremists just like all Germans are not Nazi's and just like not all Jews are evil world dominating bankers (or whatever the anti-jewish flavour of the day is) just like not all Catholic priests are child molesters etc.... BTW, of course I support warm relations between Germany and Israel. As I support warm relations between Americans who are not Muslim and Americans who are Muslim and would like to worship in a mosque that may happen to end up on 9/11 soil. 2 Blocks away from 9/11 soil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 7, 2010 Report Share Posted August 7, 2010 All Muslims are not Islamic extremists just like all Germans are not Nazi's..... Sure....but we still bombed all Germans! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted August 7, 2010 Report Share Posted August 7, 2010 The bigots just don't get it, do you? All Muslims are not Islamic extremists just like all Germans are not Nazi's and just like not all Jews are evil world dominating bankers (or whatever the anti-jewish flavour of the day is) just like not all Catholic priests are child molesters etc.... BTW, of course I support warm relations between Germany and Israel. As I support warm relations between Americans who are not Muslim and Americans who are Muslim and would like to worship in a mosque that may happen to end up on 9/11 soil. I still don't like Germans..and that was over 60 years ago ---Chanberlain if alive today would say "build that mosque" That "I had a talk with Hitler and seems like a nice enough fellow".............................live and learn - we live but do not learn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msj Posted August 7, 2010 Report Share Posted August 7, 2010 Sure....but we still bombed all Germans! Yes, and some of "us" even nuked the Japanese. Reality's a bitch sometimes. We even interned Japanese during WWII even though it was a thoroughly stupid idea. No excusing that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted August 7, 2010 Report Share Posted August 7, 2010 The bigots just don't get it, do you? Ah yes, name-calling, certainly a time-honored debating tactic. Once you can do something besides foaming at the mouth and mumbling about bigots let me know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted August 7, 2010 Report Share Posted August 7, 2010 Ah yes, name-calling, certainly a time-honored debating tactic. Once you can do something besides foaming at the mouth and mumbling about bigots let me know. It isn't name calling when it is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted August 7, 2010 Report Share Posted August 7, 2010 It isn't name calling when it is true. Says the terrorist. Wait, would that be name-calling? Nope, not if I claim that "it's true". Doesn't matter if there's no evidence to support it right? Several posters in this thread, evidently including yourself, are in the habit of assuming everyone you disagree with is a bigot. You may want to grow up sometime and realize that a wide range of opinions can exist on any given topic without the people holding those opinions being evil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msj Posted August 7, 2010 Report Share Posted August 7, 2010 Ah yes, name-calling, certainly a time-honored debating tactic. Once you can do something besides foaming at the mouth and mumbling about bigots let me know. As punked has already pointed out, calling someone what they are is a fact. As for foaming at the mouth - well, that has more to do with your drinkin' problem than me mumbling. Oh, and how does one mumble when writing in a forum? Hmmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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