Taxing your life

[JerrySeinfeld]

Ok so the models were clearly wrong. Ten years of steady global temperatures have contradicted the predictions of a decade ago which modelled for a surefire warmer earth.

It hasn't happened.

Then comes climategate and the email saga of the CRU at east anglia. These guys basically re-wrote what "peer review" means to fit their tunnel vision view of the world - and deleted the raw data!

Of course, after a special investigation by a committee of lifelong environmental activists (LOL), they were found "not guilty" of any wrongdoing. What a surprise!

Meantime Al Gore is actually becoming a bit of a liability for the cause. Zipping around the world in his private jet, burning 10,000 KW hours per MONTH in his house (what's he doing in there, anyway?) - all, of course, offset by buying carbon credits from his multi-million dollar asset management firm (which sells carbon credits), well on his way to becoming the world's first carbon billionaire - won't take unprescreend questions, won't debate anyone of merit, all this despitee a now-laughably fraudulent movie.

So the IPCC predictions were incorrect, the chief sources of these predictions are under intense scrutiny for data manipulation and deletion, as well as rigging the peer review process, celebrity spokespersons are becoming buffoons and then <POOF!> an icelanding volcano explodes, revealing to the world the true powers that nature has on climate, as opposed to the cooked up manmade threat ergo your evil SUV.

And your taxes are still going up.

My point?

In the past week I have encountered: an environmental fee for renting a houseboat, several times paid carbon tax for filling my tank with gasoline, a surcharge for using more than the "government allowed" amount of energy in my home, an extra charge for using bags for my groceries, just to name a few.

And it occurred to me: carbon is life.

And if carbon is life, then life is taxed.

And it all makes sense: if you're a big time, big government, tax and spend socialist who believes in confiscating money from the people in the world who actually produce things, and then controlling people's behavior, then environmentalism is the perfect trojan horse: using the simple logic of "saving the planet" , by default everything you do is taxable, and certain things you do are not allowed.

In some latenight poker gamee in hell, Stalin, Mao and Hitler are kicking themselves: "it's all to save the planet for your childeren - why didn't I think of that?"

This is scary stuff. Fortunately, it seems people are catching on just in time. Sure a few taxes got through, but I think people are realizing the jig is up.

We can only hope.

Edited April 18, 2010 by JerrySeinfeld

[Michael Hardner]

The fact that you have to quote Al Gore shows that your post is just a rehash of drive-bys.

We already have a long and well-discussed thread or two on Global Warming. Keep It Simple and Pliny are representing your side of the argument more rationally than you, I would say. I have learned a few things from them.

Why don't you just close up this thread and go read that one. This doesn't add anything to the debate at all.

Typical snippet of unneeded commentary:

In some latenight poker gamee in hell, Stalin, Mao and Hitler are kicking themselves

[Jack Weber]

Ok so the models were clearly wrong. Ten years of steady global temperatures have contradicted the predictions of a decade ago which modelled for a surefire warmer earth.

It hasn't happened.

Then comes climategate and the email saga of the CRU at east anglia. These guys basically re-wrote what "peer review" means to fit their tunnel vision view of the world - and deleted the raw data!

Of course, after a special investigation by a committee of lifelong environmental activists (LOL), they were found "not guilty" of any wrongdoing. What a surprise!

Meantime Al Gore is actually becoming a bit of a liability for the cause. Zipping around the world in his private jet, burning 10,000 KW hours per MONTH in his house (what's he doing in there, anyway?) - all, of course, offset by buying carbon credits from his multi-million dollar asset management firm (which sells carbon credits), well on his way to becoming the world's first carbon billionaire - won't take unprescreend questions, won't debate anyone of merit, all this despitee a now-laughably fraudulent movie.

So the IPCC predictions were incorrect, the chief sources of these predictions are under intense scrutiny for data manipulation and deletion, as well as rigging the peer review process, celebrity spokespersons are becoming buffoons and then <POOF!> an icelanding volcano explodes, revealing to the world the true powers that nature has on climate, as opposed to the cooked up manmade threat ergo your evil SUV.

And your taxes are still going up.

My point?

In the past week I have encountered: an environmental fee for renting a houseboat, several times paid carbon tax for filling my tank with gasoline, a surcharge for using more than the "government allowed" amount of energy in my home, an extra charge for using bags for my groceries, just to name a few.

And it occurred to me: carbon is life.

And if carbon is life, then life is taxed.

And it all makes sense: if you're a big time, big government, tax and spend socialist who believes in confiscating money from the people in the world who actually produce things, and then controlling people's behavior, then environmentalism is the perfect trojan horse: using the simple logic of "saving the planet" , by default everything you do is taxable, and certain things you do are not allowed.

In some latenight poker gamee in hell, Stalin, Mao and Hitler are kicking themselves: "it's all to save the planet for your childeren - why didn't I think of that?"

This is scary stuff. Fortunately, it seems people are catching on just in time. Sure a few taxes got through, but I think people are realizing the jig is up.

We can only hope.

Firstly,Adolph Hitler was not an extreme leftists lIke Stalin or Chairman Mao..He was a virulent Fascist and there was a fair amount of corporatism within the NAZI regime...

To the larger issue of some leftist confiscatory cabal of "big thinkers",stealing our money under the guise of "environmental protectionism"...I tend to agree...

Now be prepared to be called a "denier" or a "knuckledragger"...or a troll by the simpering leftist bedwetters that permeate this place on occasion,because you have upset their tender sensibilities and question their blind devotion and their bowing at the altar of Extreme Environmentalism.

Their logic,or whatever passes for it,astounds me...They cannot possibly conceive of the fact that they might actually be played for fools who follow an ethos that has done this before...

Collectivist groupthink...Ya' gotta love it!

Edited April 18, 2010 by Jack Weber

[Jack Weber]

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Edited April 18, 2010 by Jack Weber

[Michael Hardner]

a troll by the simpering leftist bedwetters that permeate this place on occasion,because

JS does behaving in trolling in that he comes on here and makes incorrect statements, and when challenged he doesn't respond.

The most famous example in my mind was when he talked about the prevalence of university degrees among truck drivers in India. Of course, he had no source for his assertion.

If the assertion is that those who oppose him don't use logic in their thinking, how does one rationalize his pattern of posting ? JS just posts out of emotionality, whatever that may be.

[JerrySeinfeld]

JS does behaving in trolling in that he comes on here and makes incorrect statements, and when challenged he doesn't respond.

The most famous example in my mind was when he talked about the prevalence of university degrees among truck drivers in India. Of course, he had no source for his assertion.

If the assertion is that those who oppose him don't use logic in their thinking, how does one rationalize his pattern of posting ? JS just posts out of emotionality, whatever that may be.

An odd post on the topic of environmentalism. Yet, Michael, you're the "unemotional" one?

Let's stay on topic shall we?

Edited April 18, 2010 by JerrySeinfeld

[Michael Hardner]

Why should I stay on topic when you will just jump to a new one whenever you're challenged into a corner ?

Want another example ?

A hysterical post from you:

"That would be a good point if our leaders weren't rushing to visit a mosque and apologize whenever a muslim killed a bunch of innocents."

When asked to defend this piece of hysteria there's no response as usual.

link

[JerrySeinfeld]

Why should I stay on topic when you will just jump to a new one whenever you're challenged into a corner ?

Want another example ?

A hysterical post from you:

When asked to defend this piece of hysteria there's no response as usual.

link

It's not a Hysterical Post Michael, it's a simple fact.

After 9-11 attacks, virtually every world leader of consequence in the western world visited a mosque shortly thereafter. And the buzzword of the day was "root causes" - ie. what did WE do to deserve this.

Look it up.

I can't spend all day finding cites for obvious facts just because you aren't aware of what happened in the world in the days following one of the biggest events in world history.

Anyway I bit on your bait. How did I allow you to drag a conversationb about the Enviro trojan horse into a debate about Islam? Aren't you supposed to be the moderator, ensuring we all stay on topic?

Jesus.

Edited April 18, 2010 by JerrySeinfeld

[Michael Hardner]

I can't spend all day finding cites for obvious facts just because you aren't aware of what happened in the world in the days following one of the biggest events in world history.

In other words, you can't provide evidence.

We've covered this in the past, Jerry. You continue to post individual examples, and then cite this as an 'example' with no proof as to the cause.

Please give us a break from your hysterical style and go post elsewhere. I get good arguments from Argus that cover your side of the spectrum. Your style of internet posting is so 1996.

[JerrySeinfeld]

In other words, you can't provide evidence.

We've covered this in the past, Jerry. You continue to post individual examples, and then cite this as an 'example' with no proof as to the cause.

Please give us a break from your hysterical style and go post elsewhere. I get good arguments from Argus that cover your side of the spectrum. Your style of internet posting is so 1996.

(Sigh)

teaching history lessons

to the willfully blind

can be

such a thankless task...

Now shall we continue with your baseless ad hominem logical fallacies or get back to the actual title of this topic?

It's quite clear who's off base here, Michael. On the one hand we have someone interested in debating the actual topic (me) and on the other, we have someone who hurls baseless accusations unrelated to the topic at hand (you).

Edited April 18, 2010 by JerrySeinfeld

[Michael Hardner]

Now shall we continue with your baseless ad hominem logical fallacies or get back to the actual title of this topic?

It's quite clear who's off base here, Michael. On the one hand we have someone interested in debating the actual topic (me) and on the other, we have someone who hurls baseless accusations unrelated to the topic at hand (you).

So you provide evidence after 2 years, and my accusations are now baseless ? Nevertheless, thanks for providing some links.

[Pliny]

As I live and breathe, so shall carbon be taxed.

I liked this post, actually.

We need politicians to wake up to these things. They haven't yet.

I consider Obama as a promoter of an anti-constitutional form of government. Woodrow Wilson, FDR, Jimmy Carter, Lyndon Johnson and even Nixon did their best to introduce socialist concepts to government or increase the size of government, and now Obama is taking the progression further. He is transforming American government and perhaps hopefully poisoning the chances of further progression by waking up the people of America and returning it to what made it great in the first place - The people.

Governments make governments great; they don't make nations great - they are better at destroying them.

[Michael Hardner]

even Nixon did their best to introduce socialist concepts to government or increase the size of government

Nixon ? Really ? Why do you say so ?

[Pliny]

Nixon ? Really ? Why do you say so ?

The gold widow closed under Nixon. Bretton-woods collapsed. The United States basically couldn't pay it's bills. It was the end of the gold standard altogether. He was really right wing in that he had his hit list of enemies that he was working on.