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aboriginals were generally Marxist.

There was some question about shells being used for trading; however, as far as one can tell goods were traded for goods.

wampum traditionally was used for treaty and marriage.

Most European deals were more likely extortion and fraud brought on by use of force and communication manipulation. Most treaties with the US and Canada would be void due to threat of use of force which invalidates a contract. Of course some were very genuine, however when you have people give up their land for blankets and food it is rather sad, especially if after their homes and foodstuffs are burned, and those blankets are diseased.

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Here is a decent story on the issue from the Toronto Star and how this action has contributed to the on-going split in sensibilities on the reserve.

It is interesting to note that 'traditionally' the Kahnawake Mohawks always have the concept of 'adoption' as a means for integrating people into the community proper. I am curious as to why this avenue has not been used.

Wampum use, within the Mohawk communities, was primarily as a mnemonic device in strings or belt forms. One of the earliest uses of this sort of device was noted in the ancient story of the Peacemaker whose friend, Ayenwatha, used strings of wampum beads (said to be made of sumac) in his mourning ritual after his family was killed. It was this ability to overcome grief that gives this mnemonic method it's cultural value. In later times beads made from quahog shells were used as 'wampum.'

In the literature, I have never encountered the use of wampum in the Iroquoian world as any sort of internal currency other than that of informal exchange. Outside of Iroquoia, wampum was used as an exchange medium, but wasn't any more of a "currency" than beaver pelts. And of course, as everyone knows, the word 'wampum' is a borrowed word since there are no native Mohawk words that contain the letters 'm' or 'p.'

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At least 20, where different Haudenosaunee have traveled so far, which includes the US.

Please feel free to back up that...you know, with something official...like an official regognition ...exchange of credentials, diplomatic notes....

Mohawk citizenship is as valid as the Kingdom of the Saguenay...

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That's the way societies evolve, brick by painful brick from the bottom up. Not the top down.

CBC aired a report this morning on Kahnawake.

While it is true that no one should dictate whom one can fall in love with, it must be pointed out the citizenship does not interfere with those relationships. Rather it is clear the spouse must apply for citizenship, or they are asked to leave. It is perfectly normal, moral and within sovereign jurisdiction.

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A mohawk explain why they are racist.

We are relevant only insofar as we have genetic integrity, hence the imposition of rules which discourage marriage to non-Natives.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/columnists/Mohawks+evict+Natives/2549277/story.html

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A mohawk explain why they are racist.

No, no, they're not racist at all, as proven by the eloquent explanation offered by Joe Delaronde, spokesperson for the Mohawk Council of Kahnawake:

I don't know why people think it has anything to do with racism... our law says [non-natives] don't have the right to live here.

:blink:

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Media spin. What they are saying is that marrying a non-Mohawk triggers the rule. That definition of Mohawk within that nation is not based on race (as it is in Canada) but on nationality and the ability to trace one's nationality through the mothers. Quebec does the same thing where it concerns education in French.

It is only racist in your little mind...because...well... that is how racist think...., right?

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It is only racist in your little mind...because...well... that is how racist think...., right?

So if you recognize racism it's because you are racist?

Is that the line you wish to run with?

You know, for someone who throws the charge of ad hominem around like you do, you might want to look up hypocrite in the dictionary.

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rac·ism   /ˈreɪsɪzəm/ [rey-siz-uhm]

–noun

1.a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement,usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

2.a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.

3.hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

Seems these Mohawk leaders fit all three definitions.

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Seems these Mohawk leaders fit all three definitions.

No no no. Their rules aren't based on race. They're based on some kind of phoney citizenship rules....you can tell the citizens from the non citizens, because the citizens are Mohawk, don't use license plates on their cars, and repeatedly get turned away at the borders of other countries when they try to use their made up passports as entree documents.

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So if you recognize racism it's because you are racist?

Is that the line you wish to run with?

You know, for someone who throws the charge of ad hominem around like you do, you might want to look up hypocrite in the dictionary.

Nope. Geez you can't even get that right. You see racism where there is none...because you think in racist terms....

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Nope. Geez you can't even get that right. You see racism where there is none...because you think in racist terms....

Perhaps more accurately you don't see dividing based on race families, dividing a community and evicting spouces based on race, as racist is because you approve of racist laws....

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At least 20, where different Haudenosaunee have traveled so far, which includes the US. Presently the Haudenosaunee Confederacy is finalizing the Secure Passport intended to meet the requirements of Homeland Security.

Where's the list?

Sniff sniff.....I smell manure

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...At least 20, where different Haudenosaunee have traveled so far, which includes the US. Presently the Haudenosaunee Confederacy is finalizing the Secure Passport intended to meet the requirements of Homeland Security. As well the status card which identifies Mohawk people is all the identification need to travel back and forth across the border.

Well hell, then it must be true if it includes the US....we don't even let white dopers with Canadian passports in ! :lol:

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Iroquois Passports

Iroquois Nationals Lacrosse Team (1995 article) I believe this team still uses the passport and as recently as 2007 for the U19 team at the World Championships.

More? Let me google that for you...

It would be interesting to note whether or not they have secured a passport/ID card that meets the US rules.

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Iroquois Passports

Iroquois Nationals Lacrosse Team (1995 article) I believe this team still uses the passport and as recently as 2007 for the U19 team at the World Championships.

More? Let me google that for you...

It would be interesting to note whether or not they have secured a passport/ID card that meets the US rules.

In my last visit to Akwesasne, I was informed that it was still being reviewed by Homeland Security. However, it has been accepted in principle and the questions revolve around the colour of the card, and the information required on the chip.

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Like the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, the Iroquois League does not currently posses sovereignty over any territory. However unlike the SMOM, the League is not recognised by any state as a distinct entity under international law, and thus its passports are merely accepted as a courtesy rather than out of diplomatic obligation.

Play passports given only to people of the right genetic composition.

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Play passports given only to people of the right genetic composition.

Of course, but the impetus behind such a 'courtesy' is fairly significant. For instance, why bother? Try using a Las Vegas passport in England. For the immediate concerns, an Iroquois passport that satisfies the security requirements of Homeland Security can address border crossing and adhere to the elements of the Jay Treaty.

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Iroquois Passports

Iroquois Nationals Lacrosse Team (1995 article) I believe this team still uses the passport and as recently as 2007 for the U19 team at the World Championships.

More? Let me google that for you...

It would be interesting to note whether or not they have secured a passport/ID card that meets the US rules.

Well, what a lot of worthless links.

The forst link is about a US lacrosse team that hopes to use there passport, but had not (1990s)

The second about the same US lacrosse team had this to say...

Haudenosaunee Confederacy's use of its own passports, now accepted in many nations despite U.S. opposition.

So in other words, in any nation that did not require a US passport, the mohawk one worked....No nation would incure US anger by treating a fake document as bonafide.

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