Michael Hardner Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 If Chinese government didn't do that in 1989, Now China maybe not a stable place, maybe now it is already used by terrorists to use as many other bases like Iraq and Afghanistan. Far more people will die. Very clear, bjre - "we need to kill people to maintain peace, it's very important". Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted January 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 Wow thread drift. Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 Wow thread drift. Could be worse - we're still talking about China and its control on media. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjre Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 (edited) Very clear, bjre - "we need to kill people to maintain peace, it's very important". China need law just like Canada need law. The difference is, Canada have no death penalty, many murders enjoy use guns. Canada have no death penalty, they still send murders to jails. Do you think if it is necessary to ask all cops give up their guns and tasers? If not, don't blame China. For the 1989 incident itself, it is war between US and China. It is US that should be blamed for the life lost. Edited January 18, 2010 by bjre Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 China need law just like Canada need law. The difference is, Canada have no death penalty, many murders enjoy use guns. Canada have no death penalty, they still send murders to jails. Do you think if it is necessary to ask all cops give up their guns and tasers? If not, don't blame China. This has nothing to do with the discussion. For the 1989 incident itself, it is war between US and China. It is US that should be blamed for the life lost. Don't forget to blame those who were peacefully protesting for being killed also. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjre Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 (edited) This has nothing to do with the discussion. Don't forget to blame those who were peacefully protesting for being killed also. It is CIA that behind it, the make violence and riot. Just like they did in Tibet 2008 and XinJiang last year, and many other places in the world. The riot kills people, Chinese army need to protect more life from violence. They did it correct. Edited January 18, 2010 by bjre Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjre Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 we need to kill people to maintain peace, it's very important. So that is why you think Canadian killed innocents in Afghanistan is correct? Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 So that is why you think Canadian killed innocents in Afghanistan is correct? When did they kill innocents in Afghanistan for protesting or stating their opinion ? If the Canadian government thinks that bjre is saying things that criticize the government will they arrest him ? No, they won't. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted January 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 Could be worse - we're still talking about China and its control on media. Wee, at least we still got that going for this thread. I guess that can be considered part of the cyberwar as well. The war is on another country, and at the same time a cyberwar or information-war on it's own citizens. Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjre Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 When did they kill innocents in Afghanistan for protesting or stating their opinion ? That is your justification killing of innocents? What they did wrong, they even did not protest. Why their life lost, why lot of life of Canadian young men and young women lost there? You don't care, for freedom? by means of kill lives? To fight terrorists? why there are terrorists there? You are making loop to talk about chicken and egg problem. I believe once western world stop attacking and start to talk, all violence can be solved. But that is not the nature of big business, they want money, they care nothing else, that's it. Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 That is your justification killing of innocents? What they did wrong, they even did not protest. Why their life lost, why lot of life of Canadian young men and young women lost there? You don't care, for freedom? by means of kill lives? To fight terrorists? why there are terrorists there? You are making loop to talk about chicken and egg problem. I believe once western world stop attacking and start to talk, all violence can be solved. But that is not the nature of big business, they want money, they care nothing else, that's it. Nobody is justifying the killing of innocents, except you. You still haven't answered why you think it's a good idea for China to send tanks to crush people who protest peacefully. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjre Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 Nobody is justifying the killing of innocents, except you. Then answer this question: Why there are innocent killed by Canadian army in Afghanistan? You still haven't answered why you think it's a good idea for China to send tanks to crush people who protest peacefully. I have answered YOU many times, China never send tanks to crush people who protest peacefully. It is YOU keep repeating this LIE. China send tanks to crush riots in which Chinese people were killed. These riots were designed and supported by western powers. There are some people who love to crush peacefully protest in Canada. Now answer this question. Why such things like Dudley George be killed can happen in Canada? Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 Then answer this question: Why there are innocent killed by Canadian army in Afghanistan? There aren't. The Canadian army doesn't set out to kill any innocents in Afghanistan. And what does this have to do with China's murder of students ? I have answered YOU many times, China never send tanks to crush people who protest peacefully. It is YOU keep repeating this LIE. China send tanks to crush riots in which Chinese people were killed. These riots were designed and supported by western powers. China send tanks to crush riots in which Chinese people were killed. Yes - China murdered students. And you seem to think it's ok. There are some people who love to crush peacefully protest in Canada. Now answer this question. Why such things like Dudley George be killed can happen in Canada? It's pretty rare, but it does happen. There was a very public trial and testimony and the people responsible were found criminally responsible. Did ANYTHING like that happen in China after 1989 ? No. So why are you defending China and saying they did nothing wrong ? They kill people on purpose for expressing their ideas and send people like you to Canada to defend them where there is no government censorship of free speech. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maple_leafs182 Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 Nobody is justifying the killing of innocents, except you. Yes we are justifying the killing of innocents, the War on Terrorism is our justification. You still haven't answered why you think it's a good idea for China to send tanks to crush people who protest peacefully. It doesn't matter what the problem is, people should not have to die over it. Whether it is a civilian death or not, a death is a death. In December 2007, the Iraqi government reported that there were 5 million orphans in Iraq, almost half of the country's children bjre, it isn't about money, it is about power and control, it always has been. Quote │ _______ [███STOP███]▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ :::::::--------------Conservatives beleive ▄▅█FUNDING THIS█▅▄▃▂- - - - - --- -- -- -- -------- Liberals lie I██████████████████] ...◥⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙'(='.'=)' ⊙ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjre Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 There aren't. The Canadian army doesn't set out to kill any innocents in Afghanistan. And what does this have to do with China's murder of students ? There are innocents killed by Canadian army in Afghanistan. The murder of the students is western powers who designed it. China send tanks to crush riots in which Chinese people were killed. Yes - China murdered students. And you seem to think it's ok. No, China is not the murder, The murder of the students is western powers who designed the violence roit. It's pretty rare, but it does happen. There was a very public trial and testimony and the people responsible were found criminally responsible. It is your system make it happen, in this system cops routinely bully people, like they killed the polish guy in airport. They make many kids lost their parents. They lock kids in school for refuse show his ID. They sue shopkeeper when he try to catch theft. Did ANYTHING like that happen in China after 1989 ? No. So why are you defending China and saying they did nothing wrong ? They kill people on purpose for expressing their ideas and send people like you to Canada to defend them where there is no government censorship of free speech. More than 99% percent of native people have been killed since 1400, that is the nature of your so called "freedom". The bloody nature of your hypocritical. Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born Free Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 More than 99% percent of native people have been killed since 1400, that is the nature of your so called "freedom". The bloody nature of your hypocritical. Wow! Where did you come from? Do you have a problem with Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms? Perhaps you can show us the one that China has and we can compare them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjre Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 Wow! Where did you come from? Do you have a problem with Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms? Perhaps you can show us the one that China has and we can compare them... Although I have not found time to study Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms carefully, I assume it is a nice thing. However, the real world I see is not so bright here. Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjre Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 It doesn't matter what the problem is, people should not have to die over it. Whether it is a civilian death or not, a death is a death. That is true. I hope everyone can think in this way. In December 2007, the Iraqi government reported that there were 5 million orphans in Iraq, almost half of the country's children That can make problem of terrorists even worse. bjre, it isn't about money, it is about power and control, it always has been. That is your opinion. In my opinion, money is their ultimate goal. Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted January 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 (edited) Although I have not found time to study Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms carefully, I assume it is a nice thing. However, the real world I see is not so bright here. Don't ever assume anything when you have not read the charter of rights and freedoms. China send tanks to crush riots in which Chinese people were killed. These riots were designed and supported by western powers.. Does this look like a riot to you?? This is the 'shot' heard around the world that day. That man in front of that tank, is no longer alive. Edited January 18, 2010 by GostHacked Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjre Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 (edited) Does this look like a riot to you?? This is the 'shot' heard around the world that day. That man in front of that tank, is no longer alive. This picture shows how evil western media is. Had this student be killed? Do you have any idea what happened after it? Why western media always love to tell Lie by cut things and give you small part and explain it according to their taste. Does this look like a riot to you?? Look it yourself. and find the tank in the video: If this riot happen in Canada, then what will happen? What will happen if you try to attack cops in Canada? What will happen if you try to attack American Tank? Crush peaceful student protesters with Army? It is more likely happen in western countries, like what happened in Kent State U, May 4, 1970. Edited January 18, 2010 by bjre Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 What German worry about? If they don't censor it what will happen? In their minds, the Nazis take over again. Sort of why there aren't any multiparty elections in China. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted January 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 More email accounts have been hacked apparently. http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/01/18/foreign-reporters-google-e-mail-hacked-china/ BEIJING -- International journalists in China said Monday that their Google e-mail accounts have been hacked in attacks similar to the ones against human rights activists that the search giant cited as a reason for considering pulling out of the country. Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjre Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 More email accounts have been hacked apparently. http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/01/18/foreign-reporters-google-e-mail-hacked-china/ Funny news, how about ClimateGate email hacked? Where was Clinton? Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjre Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 In their minds, the Nazis take over again. You mean democracy won't work in Germany? Sort of why there aren't any multiparty elections in China. Anyone ever blame Singapore has no multiparty elections? Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 There are innocents killed by Canadian army in Afghanistan. The murder of the students is western powers who designed it. That's not true. The Canadian armed forces are not there to kill innocent people and I challenge you to prove otherwise. As with the thread on Chinese herbal medicine, I suspect you'll come back with a host of links that are not germane to the question. No, China is not the murder, The murder of the students is western powers who designed the violence roit. There was no violence until the Chinese powers sent their tank to crush the students, and you don't seem to be bothered by that one bit. Why is it ? What would you say if your Canadian children wanted to protest tuition hikes on campus ? Don't you think society works when people can speak their minds. It is your system make it happen, in this system cops routinely bully people, like they killed the polish guy in airport. They make many kids lost their parents. They lock kids in school for refuse show his ID. They sue shopkeeper when he try to catch theft. More than 99% percent of native people have been killed since 1400, that is the nature of your so called "freedom". The bloody nature of your hypocritical. Your English is very poor, and it's tough for me to figure out what you're saying, but it seems incorrect. You constantly quote accidents and anomalies - small isolated incidents where one person died - as a counter-point to the horrible atrocities that happened in 1989. Do you really think one person dying from a police accident is equivalent to the government ordering tanks in to shoot young people who were *singing the Internationale* and wanted to improve China ? Please answer me that one question honestly. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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