Israeli Build Up

[wulf42]

If this deal goes through Israel will have the worlds most advanced aircraft with the most advanced electronics....i bet the Iranians are taking notes. Well if it helps push Iran into discussions over their nuke program that can't be a bad thing.

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE5AN31E20091124

[naomiglover]

If this deal goes through Israel will have the worlds most advanced aircraft with the most advanced electronics....i bet the Iranians are taking notes. Well if it helps push Iran into discussions over their nuke program that can't be a bad thing.

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE5AN31E20091124

Using your perspective, you would agree that a nuclear Iran will push Israel into discussions over their constant violation of international law and their inexcusable treatment of the Palestinians.

[Oleg Bach]

If this deal goes through Israel will have the worlds most advanced aircraft with the most advanced electronics....i bet the Iranians are taking notes. Well if it helps push Iran into discussions over their nuke program that can't be a bad thing.

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE5AN31E20091124

Even if Iran submits that does not guarentee that Israel (America) does not destroy the place anyway. Why do they keep pointing at Israel and not state the facts that - America will ahve the worlds most advanced aircraft and the most advanced electronics - It is physcially impossible for Israel because of it's sheer smallness to achieve such a threatinging power...Israel without it's supporters is no stronger than Palistine.

[wulf42]

Using your perspective, you would agree that a nuclear Iran will push Israel into discussions over their constant violation of international law and their inexcusable treatment of the Palestinians.

Well lets look at it from a realistic perspective, the Israeli's estimated to have over 400+ Nukes...and Iran well yet to build one, so i would say Iran won t push Israel into anything but an all out attack on Iran if it doesn t smarten up.

[wulf42]

Even if Iran submits that does not guarentee that Israel (America) does not destroy the place anyway. Why do they keep pointing at Israel and not state the facts that - America will ahve the worlds most advanced aircraft and the most advanced electronics - It is physcially impossible for Israel because of it's sheer smallness to achieve such a threatinging power...Israel without it's supporters is no stronger than Palistine.

If Iran dropped it's nuclear program today the threat of an Israeli or U.S. attack would

end immediately,there would be no excuse for an attack of any kind.

[Army Guy]

Even if Iran submits that does not guarentee that Israel (America) does not destroy the place anyway. Why do they keep pointing at Israel and not state the facts that - America will ahve the worlds most advanced aircraft and the most advanced electronics - It is physcially impossible for Israel because of it's sheer smallness to achieve such a threatinging power...Israel without it's supporters is no stronger than Palistine

Israel has done just fine without it's supporters, it's history is full of examples....Most of Israel's history is written by Israelis blood...not American.

[wyly]

Well lets look at it from a realistic perspective, the Israeli's estimated to have over 400+ Nukes...and Iran well yet to build one, so i would say Iran won t push Israel into anything but an all out attack on Iran if it doesn t smarten up.

you have no idea how many nukes Israel has, and if they can't deliver them they no effect anyways...

if Iran even has 4 and can deliver them Israel ceases to exist as a country, Iran leads Israel in missile technology...and Iran is large enough it would recover from an exchange of nukes...size matters...

[eyeball]

...size matters...

So does having the world's most advanced aircraft...no doubt the Iranians will be looking for some of these themselves one day. Gotta do what you can to keep up with the Jones' right?

[DogOnPorch]

Even if Iran submits that does not guarentee that Israel (America) does not destroy the place anyway. Why do they keep pointing at Israel and not state the facts that - America will ahve the worlds most advanced aircraft and the most advanced electronics - It is physcially impossible for Israel because of it's sheer smallness to achieve such a threatinging power...Israel without it's supporters is no stronger than Palistine.

Tiny Israel...almost unarmed at the start of the 1948 War, fought and defeated the combined might of several Arab nations. What Israel has that the Arabs do not is an efficient and very effective command control system with very competent officers and motivated well-trained soldiers and reserves.

This system beat the Arab armies into the ground on numerous occasions now.

Israel without it's supporters is no stronger than Palistine.

The terrorists had well armed allies in the form of Egyptians, Syrians, Jordanians and several other nations in the area. Syria and Egypt armed free-of-charge by the Soviets with the latest weapons. Arabs just can't win a battle unless they have enormous odds in their favor and Israel is hamstrung by a holiday....say Yom Kippur. Oppps...the Arabs lost that one too...lol.

The thing is, terrorist supporters just can't understand how Israel does it, so they attribute this tiny nation's success on American aid.

[eyeball]

The thing is, terrorist supporters just can't understand how Israel does it, so they attribute this tiny nation's success on American aid.

So what do they need the aid for?

[DogOnPorch]

So does having the world's most advanced aircraft...no doubt the Iranians will be looking for some of these themselves one day. Gotta do what you can to keep up with the Jones' right?

You think that Iran, up until now, has been unarmed?

if Iran even has 4 and can deliver them Israel ceases to exist as a country, Iran leads Israel in missile technology...and Iran is large enough it would recover from an exchange of nukes...size matters...

You can't be serious. Israel is a world leader in missile technology. Iran is basically playing with North Korean/Pakistani technology.

[DogOnPorch]

So what do they need the aid for?

US aid to Israel isn't a welfare cheque. Where do you think many of the USA's high-tech systems and such are developed? Folks like yourself just tend to see things much like a welfare bum rather than like two successful bussiness partners exchanging goods and services.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_technology_in_Israel

[eyeball]

US aid to Israel isn't a welfare cheque. Where do you think many of the USA's high-tech systems and such are developed? Folks like yourself just tend to see things much like a welfare bum rather than like two successful bussiness partners exchanging goods and services.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_technology_in_Israel

So Israel is actually aiding the U.S. Okay.

[DogOnPorch]

So Israel is actually aiding the U.S. Okay.

Now you're getting it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_companies_quoted_on_the_Nasdaq

Edited November 25, 2009 by DogOnPorch

[wulf42]

you have no idea how many nukes Israel has, and if they can't deliver them they no effect anyways...

if Iran even has 4 and can deliver them Israel ceases to exist as a country, Iran leads Israel in missile technology...and Iran is large enough it would recover from an exchange of nukes...size matters...

Iran would recover?? you can't be serious? Iran would be a glass jar for about a thousand years or so! Israel has enough firepower not only to destroy Iran but the whole Middle East! Read the "Sampson Option" it is in case Israel is threatened to be overrun or destroyed the Israeli's will make sure the Arabs won't be around to enjoy the victory!...So you think Israel can't deliver Nukes? think again! Apparently the U.S. Airforce knows how many Nukes Israel has so unless you know more than they do i will go with the U.S.A.F.

http://www.rense.com/general26/bombs.htm

http://www.cdi.org/issues/nukef&f/database/isnukes.html

http://www.active-duty.com/MI_IsraeliSubmarineForce.htm

Edited November 26, 2009 by wulf42

[DogOnPorch]

Iran would recover?? you can't be serious? Iran would be a glass jar for about a thousand years or so! Israel has enough firepower not only to destroy Iran but the whole Middle East! Read the "Sampson Option" it is in case Israel is threatened to be overrun or destroyed the Israeli's will make sure the Arabs won't be around to enjoy the victory!...So you think Israel can't deliver Nukes? think again! Apparently the U.S. Airforce knows how many Nukes Israel has so unless you know more than they do i will go with the U.S.A.F.

http://www.rense.com/general26/bombs.htm

http://www.cdi.org/issues/nukef&f/database/isnukes.html

http://www.active-duty.com/MI_IsraeliSubmarineForce.htm

Many folks are poorly informed about the power and effects of thermo-nuclear weapons. One look at the Chernobyl area of the Ukraine gives a good example of what one single ground-burst megatonne fusion weapon can do to an entire region radiation-wise.

Iran is working on a several kilotonne yield fission weapon...probably similar to Little Boy...a shot-plug type device (the 'simplest' type)...tiny in comparison to whatever Israel has under wraps.

See diagram...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7ymgG446N8

Castle Bravo, March 1954: 15 Mt...the largest US hydrogen bomb test.

Edited November 26, 2009 by DogOnPorch

[wulf42]

Many folks are poorly informed about the power and effects of thermo-nuclear weapons. One look at the Chernobyl area of the Ukraine gives a good example of what one single ground-burst megatonne fusion weapon can do to an entire region radiation-wise.

Iran is working on a several kilotonne yield fission weapon...probably similar to Little Boy...a shot-plug type device (the 'simplest' type)...tiny in comparison to whatever Israel has under wraps.

See diagram...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7ymgG446N8

Castle Bravo, March 1954: 15 Mt...the largest US hydrogen bomb test.

Very true!....Israel i imagine is on par with the U.S. as far as type and quality of Nuclear weapons they have, the thing that gets me is people say "Iran has a right to have Nukes" but people don t realize the minute Iran has a functional Nuke and deleivery system ...Israel will be on a hair trigger, so what happens if Israel gets a glitch in their radar systems and their system detects what may be and incoming missile? If Iran stayed convention Israel would likely wait to make sure if it is an real attack or not,Iran goes Nuclear then Israel will let loose with it's Nuclear tipped jericho 3 missiles at the drop of a hat.

[naomiglover]

Israel has done just fine without it's supporters, it's history is full of examples....Most of Israel's history is written by Israelis blood...not American.

You forgot the Palestinian blood and you are wrong about Israel being just fine without its supporters.

Israel has been receiving an average of $3billion a year from the United States and has been receiving political support from both the U.S. and the U.K. Without them, Israel would not be able to be doing what it's doing today.

[wulf42]

Israel has been receiving an average of $3billion a year from the United States and has been receiving political support from both the U.S. and the U.K. Without them, Israel would not be able to be doing what it's doing today.

Do you mean protecting itself from fanatical regimes bent on it's destruction? because that is the only thing Israel is doing.

[Army Guy]

You forgot the Palestinian blood and you are wrong about Israel being just fine without its supporters.

Israel has been receiving an average of $3billion a year from the United States and has been receiving political support from both the U.S. and the U.K. Without them, Israel would not be able to be doing what it's doing today.

Israel defence budget is approx 12.4 Bil US dollars without US aid, with US aid it's 15.4 bil...hardly a make it or break it contribution...

Somehow you forgot to mention what each of the other middle east countries recieve.

[GostHacked]

If Iran dropped it's nuclear program today the threat of an Israeli or U.S. attack would

end immediately,there would be no excuse for an attack of any kind.

Hogwash. Syria was not a threat and yet their reactor was targeted. Iraq was not a threat to Isreal (but a threat to the US) and their reactor was targeted. Track record shows that, yes they still would.

[M.Dancer]

Israel for the last few years receives little more tha 2 billion...not the 3 billion that Naomi cites.

Egypt receives little over 1 billion

Jordan receives well over 250 million

Various other nations receive their share too.

http://pdf.usaid.gov/pdf_docs/PCAAB954.pdf

Edited November 27, 2009 by M.Dancer

[wulf42]

Hogwash. Syria was not a threat and yet their reactor was targeted. Iraq was not a threat to Isreal (but a threat to the US) and their reactor was targeted. Track record shows that, yes they still would.

If Iran agreed to letting Russia enrich their Uranium only enough so it could be used for medical uses or power as the Iranians say they want, an all out attack would be off the table! Israel would not be able to justify it and wouldn t take that kind of risk but that is not Iran's intention they don t give a rats butt about medical uses or power they want a Nuclear weapon period, anyone who thinks any different is a door knob!......... according to these article's it appears the world should brace for the worse. Israel has reached it's tolerance limit.

http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=6321

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2009/11/middle-east-iran-israel-flex-muscles-for-possible-war.html

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125928552939565833.html

Edited November 27, 2009 by wulf42

[GostHacked]

If Iran agreed to letting Russia enrich their Uranium only enough so it could be used for medical uses or power as the Iranians say they want, an all out attack would be off the table! Israel would not be able to justify it and wouldn t take that kind of risk but that is not Iran's intention they don t give a rats butt about medical uses or power they want a Nuclear weapon period, anyone who thinks any different is a door knob!......... according to these article's it appears the world should brace for the worse. Israel has reached it's tolerance limit.

http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=6321

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2009/11/middle-east-iran-israel-flex-muscles-for-possible-war.html

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125928552939565833.html

Even if they built a nuke, I doubt Iran would use it. They know the reprocussions. And I doubt Israel or the US would be that vocal about it. When Iran gets the nuke, you are going to find out that there will be much diplomacy and the hard talk will fade away. Iran WILL use it in self defence. I doubt they will use it offensively regardless of what Iran is saying.

Well, Isreal can stop whining or do something about it. Since there seems to be a connection with Hamas and the Iranians, a strike on Iran's nuke facility might not be in their best interest. But I guess judging by the reaction from the bombimg of the Syrian and Iraqi facilities, there might not be much retaliation on Israel.

Edited November 27, 2009 by GostHacked

[DogOnPorch]

Even if they built a nuke, I doubt Iran would use it.

That's where yer Hamas comes in handy.