madmax Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 What happened in my classroom at York University on November 11th was appalling. It was a Middle East politics class, and this is the conversation that took place on the morning of November 11th: Student: "Professor, will we be observing a moment of silence at 11am today?" Professor: "Why?" Student: "Because it's Remembrance Day..." Professor: "Oh. Well if you want to I guess we can. I don't observe these ceremonies." At 11am, about 75% of the class stood and observed a minute of silence while the professor was fixated on his watch, clearly annoyed. The other 25% sat and fiddled their thumbs in disapproval. What have we come to? I want your Profs Name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 In Canada, the aboriginal people aligned with the French and English for the most part. That's where the fighting came from, as a result of their picking sides. oh really...you sure know your Canadian history, you may want to research the deliberate extermination of the Beothuks...sure let's honor the fallen Canadians of purely imperialistic wars like the Boer war and WW1 and forget about the native Canadians who died fighting imperialist colonization...and the conservatives think immigrants need to brush up on their Canadian military history Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 Rundstedt was one of those generals, unfortunately for us Hitler came to his sense on this one so the war was prolonged. If Rundstedt hadn't be reinstated we could have liberated Holand in a week. Agreement...though complete Allied air supremecy kept his and Rommel's options very limited. Nope never heard of this before, sounds interesting though. From the years "BC" (before computers ) Some were easy while others were huge and complex. Fire in the East/Scorched Earth had a 5 foot by 9 foot map plus the complete orders of battle for the entire War in Russia including Finland. It was part of an even larger set called 'Europa' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa_(wargame) These days, most of the classics of those times have been put into a java system called Vassal/VASL http://www.vassalengine.org/community/index.php?option=com_welcome&Itemid=25 http://www.vasl.org/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 So half of Canadians were the Poppy just to conform? Sure that makes sense half? you personally counted and polled them?Maybe at the ceremonies you go to not the ones I do. I've been to a number and the cause of war is never discussed...let me know when International Imperialism is brought up in your experiences...history is written by the victor...If people like you had been in charge during the World Wars all of Europe would speak German now.if people like me were in charge everywhere there would be no wars...Explain this statement. War is never about freedom and liberty, that's just what it becomes as a justification for war.it's self explanatory...something I learned from two military people one Army the other Navy...Then what the fuck was Canada's involvement in the World Wars? we didn't gain a damn thing, except freedom and liberty for those countries and peoples that had been conquered by Germany. "War is never about freedom and liberty, that's just what it becomes as a justification for war." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 (edited) sure let's honor the fallen Canadians of purely imperialistic wars like the Boer war and WW1 and forget about the native Canadians who died fighting imperialist colonization... Been reading Naomi Klein, have we? Here's one for you, wyly: Today's so-called leftists, however, have never faced the peril of an enemy that threatens the planet. So comfortable are they within the free societies created by the men and women who fought and died for their luxurious existence, that they take the one day that we spare to give honour to them, and manipulate it into some kind of odious political revolt against our "militaristic" leadership... These modern revisionists cast our soldiers today as villains in the international game of neocolonialism.As though it weren't ridiculous enough, [Harsha Walia] finishes by condemning our nation as one that is based on the illegal expropriation of indigenous lands. One can scarcely be blamed for wondering whether Ms. Walia did not realize she resides in this occupied territory, and whether she intends to leave all of us Christian Crusader racists to go and live in a setting more comfortable to her notions of social justice. Bahrain perhaps? Activists Against Everything even object to Remembrance Day So, when are you going? [sp] Edited November 16, 2009 by g_bambino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulf42 Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 (edited) "War is never about freedom and liberty, that's just what it becomes as a justification for war." Sorry but WW2 was exactly about just that ..freedom and Liberty and as far as people like you in charge there would be no wars??? lol......People like Neville Chamberlain thought the same thing and people like Hitler laughed his face off...and there are many Hitlers in the world today. Violence has to be met with more overwhelming violence to be stopped, history has proved this many times over. Edited November 16, 2009 by wulf42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 Been reading Naomi Klein, have we? never heard of Klien...have you ever read Canadian history book?...I thought not... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 have you ever read Canadian history book?...I thought not... You didn't answer my question: Giving up your home stolen for you by racist, imperialist, capitalist pigs? Perhaps off to some socialist utopia like... oh, North Korea? I thought not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 Sorry but WW2 was exactly about just that ..freedom and Liberty and as far as people like you in charge there would be no wars??? lol......People like Neville Chamberlain thought the same thingand people like Hitler laughed his face off...and there are many Hitlers in the world today. Violence has to be met with more overwhelming violence to be stopped, history has proved this many times over. thanks, you like everybody here keeps confirming my reasoning...unfortunately it keeps going right over your head.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulf42 Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 thanks, you like everybody here keeps confirming my reasoning...unfortunately it keeps going right over your head.. What exactly is your reasoning?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 You didn't answer my question: Giving up your home stolen for you by racist, imperialist, capitalist pigs? Perhaps off to some socialist utopia like... oh, North Korea? I thought not. the topic was remembering the dead and you're deflecting because you're historically ignorant... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 What exactly is your reasoning?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 as far as people like you in charge there would be no wars??? lol......People like Neville Chamberlain thought the same thingand people like Hitler laughed his face off...and there are many Hitlers in the world today. And therein lies the irony pointed out by the article I linked to for wyly's edification: the forbearers of today's hyper-leftists, like wyly, backed participation in the war as victory therein meant the defeat of their ideological arch-enemy: fascism. Now the soldiers who defeated fascism for wyly are abhorred by wily as idiotic pawns in a selfish, imperialist venture. He pretends he knows everything; but he only knows everything of the limited information selected to fit his own personal, self-righteous feelings of superiority. Silly, deluded boy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 the topic was remembering the dead and you're deflecting because you're historically ignorant... No, sir; you deflected from the point of the article I linked to for you, which was all about remembering the dead and how people like you do so. If you'd like to get back on track, please feel free to direct yourself there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 What exactly is your reasoning?? He won't answer this; just as he didn't do so when asked to explain himself in another thread. Wyly likes to rant emotionally but falls silent when asked for rational thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 (edited) oh really...you sure know your Canadian history, you may want to research the deliberate extermination of the Beothuks...sure let's honor the fallen Canadians of purely imperialistic wars like the Boer war and WW1 and forget about the native Canadians who died fighting imperialist colonization...and the conservatives think immigrants need to brush up on their Canadian military history When you said delberate extermination you make it sound like Genicide....I guess none of the below reasons would play a major role in that, would they... -loss of access to important food sources, from competition with Inuit and Mi'kmaqs as well as European settlers; -infectious diseases to which they had no immunity, such as smallpox, introduced by European contact -(Western peoples also suffered from these diseases. Vaccination against smallpox did not become widespread until the late 19th and 20th centuries); -endemic tuberculosis (TB), which weakened tribal members; and -violent encounters with trappers, settlers and other natives. My next question is if Canada did not become a nation until 1867, are you going to hold Canadians responable for this event, or the british ? If Canadians are resposable, just how far back in history do we have to go before the British get some of your scorn... Edited November 16, 2009 by Army Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 When you said delberate extermination you make it sound like Genicide....I guess none of the below reasons would play a major role in that, would they... -loss of access to important food sources, from competition with Inuit and Mi'kmaqs as well as European settlers; -infectious diseases to which they had no immunity, such as smallpox, introduced by European contact -(Western peoples also suffered from these diseases. Vaccination against smallpox did not become widespread until the late 19th and 20th centuries); -endemic tuberculosis (TB), which weakened tribal members; and -violent encounters with trappers, settlers and other natives. My next question is if Canada did not become a nation until 1867, are you going to hold Canadians responable for this event, or the british ? If Canadians are resposable, just how far back in history do we have to go before the British get some of your scorn... British and French yes, and you can't separate our founding nations from the country that followed...point was made by someone that this didn't happen in Canada as it did the USA and I pointed out it did...with the Beothuks there has been a historical cover up to shift the blame to other natives and Inuit when it was very much a settlers genocide, there were bounties placed on the heads of Beothuks...we have no remembrance day for the Beothuks because that would put us in the same league as Nazi's but maybe worse because we succeeded in exterminating an entire people...my point was and you as a soldier should know that history is skewed by the winner...others here want claim we're good and pure and would never do what those nasty Germans did, but we have overseas(Boer War) and in our own country... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 He won't answer this; just as he didn't do so when asked to explain himself in another thread. Wyly likes to rant emotionally but falls silent when asked for rational thought. the answers are all through my posts, you'll need to stretch you mental abilities if you want to understand, maybe crack a history book or two and not the shallow historical propaganda you learned in high school, it goes a bit deeper than that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 the answers are all through my posts, you'll need to stretch you mental abilities if you want to understand Uh huh, and you can't point to one of them in specific, can you. Thanks for admitting you don't use logic and fact to form your opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
politicslvr Posted November 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 I want your Profs Name. I don't think I want to expose the professor here on the thread, but if you could give me your input on what course of action I should take that would be appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 my point was and you as a soldier should know that history is skewed by the winner...others here want claim we're good and pure and would never do what those nasty Germans did, but we have overseas (Boer War) and in our own country... This is utter rubbish as I can go to my library or online and find great versions of the history of WW2 from the German point-of-view...or any other nation depending on how dedicated I am. For example: one of the best tactical histories of Operation Barbarossa is... Panzer Leader: Erinnerungen eines Soldaten (unabridged): by Heinz Guderian. There is an abridged version which is more common. Link... Looking further down on my own bookshelf, I find Gen Chuikov's History of the Great Patriotic War for a Russian version. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Chuikov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 Or another good read from the Germans...complete online. Stalingrad Diary (Adobe pdf) You might like this one Army Guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 This is utter rubbish as I can go to my library or online and find great versions of the history of WW2 from the German point-of-view...or any other nation depending on how dedicated I am. For example: one of the best tactical histories of Operation Barbarossa is... Panzer Leader: Erinnerungen eines Soldaten (unabridged): by Heinz Guderian. There is an abridged version which is more common. Link... Looking further down on my own bookshelf, I find Gen Chuikov's History of the Great Patriotic War for a Russian version. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Chuikov war is a symptom of a disease not the cause of the disease...and I've around 300 books on war through history but only about a dozen at most on the causes of war, you apparently have none.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 war is a symptom of a disease not the cause of the disease...and I've around 300 books on war through history but only about a dozen at most on the causes of war, you apparently have none.... Ummm...sure. Book? What's a book? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TrueMetis Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 Agreement...though complete Allied air supremecy kept his and Rommel's options very limited. From the years "BC" (before computers ) Some were easy while others were huge and complex. Fire in the East/Scorched Earth had a 5 foot by 9 foot map plus the complete orders of battle for the entire War in Russia including Finland. It was part of an even larger set called 'Europa' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa_(wargame) These days, most of the classics of those times have been put into a java system called Vassal/VASL http://www.vassalengine.org/community/index.php?option=com_welcome&Itemid=25 http://www.vasl.org/ Seems cool unfortunately I don't really have the time for this sort of thing right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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