maplesyrup Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Stephen Harper's ideas represent about 10% of the Canadian population's viewpoint and yet our business oriented media is talking about the possibilities of him doing well in the coming election. What a snowjob. Why do you think the Bloc is doing so well in Quebec? Sponsorship scandal? Nonsense. The left is on the rise throughout Canada, and the only way to prevent a Liberal majority is to vote NDP. Don't waste your vote on people going nowhere man. The Cons are a speeding disaster train heading for the crash of their lives. Remember Kim Campbell. Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Well, if Harper manages to win a minority government there still is the question of who would support him. I haven't heard any realistic explanations yet of how that would happen. So the only question is will it be a Liberal minority (with the NDP) or a majority ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maplesyrup Posted May 18, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 A lot will depend on the NDP's (read Jack layton) performance during the election campaign. My understanding is the NDP is going to do quite well on both coasts, and on the Prairies, excluding Alberta. Just not that clear about Ontario yet. Michael....I agree it will probably be either a Lberal majority or Liberal minority, with either the Bloc or the NDP as the Official Opposition. Interesting that Joe Clark is campaigning for Scott Brison in Nova Scotia. I am hearing that the Cons are going to decimated there. Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Canadians don't want socialists like Maplesyrup, or Liberal cronies like Alphonso Gagliagno, taking their money and giving it to government bureacrats to do what the heck they want with it. They want reasonable rates of taxation. They want a vibrant economy. They want their taxes to go to programs that actually help people who really need it. They want a military that can protect them from the threats of today and display true Canadian sovereingty, instead of being dependent militarily and economically on the US. I think Canadians want a government that rewards their hard work, instead of Liberal and Socialist friends. If so many people were Lefists, why does the Left always break the promises they make in elections? And why does the Left never actually say they are the Left? No. Enough is enough. Instead of giving our money to people who think they know better than us, I think we should finally have government that can allow Canada to reach its fullest potential. I think that's better than Alphonso Gagliagno. I also think that's better than the Socialism of the NDP. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 I think there is a good chance of a Tory (Harper) minority government. (Am I wrong?) If Harper wins, in fact the only way he'll win, is to have a lot of other normal people around him. So Maple Syrup don't worry Underneath all, Harper will only win if many ordinary MPs win. These ordinary MPs will keep all in check. Or, do you prefer a PM PM chèque en blanc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idealisttotheend Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Is it not just a bit reductionist to define the entire Liberal government in terms of one man? I don't really like them all that much either (though for different reasons) but wouldn't define them all by the fall guy they decided to fire. My understanding is the NDP is going to do quite well on both coasts, and on the Prairies, excluding Alberta. I just 'hear' what's in the media but I think the only way the NDP will have significant success is if the Liberals split the right vote with the Cons. If it ends up being a question of Harper's credibility s too far right it could happen. But more likely the Liberals will finally realize that they are going to have to run [b} for [/b] something in this election instead of running against the Cons and giving them the initiative. I'm guessing that 'for' will be slightly left of where they are now. So the left will not be mad enough at the Liberals to make a concerted effort against them and, as usual, will be afraid of Harper getting elected and so vote Liberal in droves. Just a guess. instead of being dependent militarily and economically on the US. The Cons have done nothing to stand for Canadian sovereignty in a long time and have done nothing to suggest they will start now. The people who pay their campaign funds depend on the US too much for it to be in their interest. Quote All too often the prize goes, not to who best plays the game, but to those who make the rules.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X_Deadly_X Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 I find communists funny, you really are... I think that anyone who thinks that we can have a utopia where everyone has the same really needs to go somewhere that has had communism and see what a joke a "5 year plan" does. A socialist regime spent BC to the brink because the unions said it was good for jobs, They were right, there were lots of jobs until the government stopped paying everyone and the lack of a market for the high speed ferry cost the BC government over a billion dollars with no long term improvement. The only thing stopping BC's economy from falling the the dope growing on Galliano Island and not what is done in Victoria. Face it, centralized goverment planning, which is what you need under a communist government, can never compensate for the changing needs of the people or the environment. We can't get a passport in an hour, do you think we can have the government to change its policy on grain reserves fast enough? Market-based economies are more robust and compensate for changes faster than a government can plan or force. If we need tractors, tractors appear. A socialist is someone who doesn't have the guts to admit he is a communist, just like an agnostic is someone who isn't ready to say he's an atheist just in case... So I invite you socialists to go to a socialist country and see people planting gardens in their yards to feed their families because they can't count on a paycheck...I am sure they would be happy to trade places with you and you can explore that paradise..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alliance Fanatic Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Whats so great about the NDP. Does'nt the NDP support Euthanasia, and is 100% Pro-Abortion. If the NDP got in all of Canada would turn into Vancouver's east side. Jack Layton probably prefers communists over American's, and has talked about how marijuana is a wonderful drug. I find that man sick, some people get hooked on marijauna, and then move onto harder drugs. Quote "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others" - George Orwell's Animal Farm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Does'nt the NDP support Euthanasia, and is 100% Pro-Abortion.What a thread?Layton eats children. Harper sends them to the States. Martin uses them for experiments. Gee whiz. What an election we'll have! Carry on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Stephen Harper's ideas represent about 10% of the Canadian population's viewpoint and yet our business oriented media is talking about the possibilities of him doing well in the coming election. What a snowjob. Would you care to tell us just which "ideas" of Stephen Harper represent 10% of Canadians' viewpoints? Just one or two would do nicely. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 I think there is a good chance of a Tory (Harper) minority government. (Am I wrong?) If Harper wins, in fact the only way he'll win, is to have a lot of other normal people around him. Would you care to define the terms of reference for "normal people"? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alliance Fanatic Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 Would you care to define the terms of reference for "normal people"?Apparently Harper is actually from the a far far away galaxy and has super powers. He suddenly during question period has to leave for a period of time in order to save people, and can fly. However the only way for him to lose his super powers is to expose him to cryptonite. His biggest enemies are Jack Layton and Paul Martin, whom want to turn Canada into a haven for criminals, and a safe haven for all of the scumbags running from the States to aviod justice. I suppose he needs some normal people to defend him. Quote "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others" - George Orwell's Animal Farm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiraly Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 Maple... ...too bad we couldn't have a wager whether the NDP or the Conservatives would finish with more seats. A friend of mine, card carrying NDP-er, is willing to bet that the Lieberals will win another majority.... ....she is so convinced that I think I'll try to get her to give me some odds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bro Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 I thinks it's ridiculous that there are still Canadians,unfortunately too many,who think government spending,will cure all our problems. Wake up people,we have to compete globally now,and we can't do that with governments like the liberals and ndp who waste money and run on or build huge deficits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slavik44 Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 Stephen Harper's ideas represent about 10% of the Canadian population's viewpoint and yet our business oriented media is talking about the possibilities of him doing well in the coming election. What a snowjob. no actually if given a fair chance his views represent much more then 10%, infact he has the support of over 20% of the population, and i would be willing to bet maybe even 25% of the population. I can back this up through numerous polling results of the CPC. Now tell me how you can back up your outragous and unfounded claims that Mr. Harper represents only 10% of canadian's, how did you come to this concusion. As far as the media saying he could do well in this election;they are simply stating what the evidence shows, they say the same thing about the NDP...and in both cases they are correct, both parties will do well in the election,a nd the liberals will nto do as well as expected prior febuary. Why do you think the Bloc is doing so well in Quebec? Sponsorship scandal? Nonsense. well I know know what the title of the thread was refering to: the above quote. the block I belive recieved 39.9% of the vote in the 2000 election. The block are currently polling at 46% In Quebec...an increase of 6% in the province. however if you look at tiem in between and leading up to the sponsorship scandal the bloc was down in the dumps..I am having trouble finding polls focusing on quebec but if my memory surves me right they were polling around 30%. Many pollster's percieved this as the death of quebec sepratism's main streem appeal. In fact if you look the block have been steadily declining, in popularity since 1993. they dropped 10 vseats in 1997, they droped 6 seats in 2000, and leading up to febuary in 2004 they were expected to drop another 5-10 seats. But all in a sudden with in one week, the bloc surged ahead in quebec and it seemed like they were on track to actually gain 5-10 seats in a 2004 election. Of course like all the other parties in canada they have dropped a bit since febuary, they still are poised to gain seats in quebec. Furthermore Gilles Duceppe and the BQ themselves are focusing there campaign around the sponsorship scandal, and using this to taint the liberals as a party that cannot represent the needs of Quebecois. Gilles Duceppe himself recognizes it the BQ were handed a life line, the sponsorship scandal has resureccted the party, in an area that has always been shaky politically. Indicating to me that quebec, suprisingly, much liek the rest of Canada is angry at the liberals. Of course jsut like the rest of Canada they province has switched over to there alternate, for some it is the NDP, for some it is the Cons for one it happens to be the B.Q and for others they don't see an alternate, so many just won't vote and others will just keep tradition. But in the end the bloc's rise in popularity has plenty to do wiht the sponsership scandal and your claim in fact is the one that is "Nonsense". Quote The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. - Ayn Rand --------- http://www.politicalcompass.org/ Economic Left/Right: 4.75 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.54 Last taken: May 23, 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 Back to your first post, Maplesyrup. I should note that the left is to the right of the left of days past. ( Got that ? ) No one is calling for nationalization of industry anymore, not even the Communist Party. And Layton says he wouldn't run a deficit. These are signs that things have generally turned to the right. ( Fiscally, anyway. ) And somebody please explain which party would support a minority CPC party. Or are we hoping that the 25% will climb to 40% ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 And somebody please explain which party would support a minority CPC party. Or are we hoping that the 25% will climb to 40% ? The glib answer is that old adage "politics makes for strange bedfellows". I think this question was discussed in another thread sometime ago. One scenario was Lib+NDP. So, what happens if the Tories get a plurality but Lib+NDP make for a majority? What does Clarkson do? (Duh...) But, back to your question: Would the BQ support the Tories? The NDP? If Harper forms a government, he'll have several months before he has to face parliament. I have a different question. Would some please explain to me how a voter votes for a minority government? One voter gets one ballot. We can't write in at the bottom that our vote only counts if it means a minority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alliance Fanatic Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 The election is'nt far off, its too hard to say what will happen. Thinks can change in a second. Quote "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others" - George Orwell's Animal Farm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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