Mass Man, and the Revolt of the Undermen

[lictor616]

To look at contemporary party politics and the shabby state of the electorate in America is a fascinating phenomena.

The inheritors of a once free and truly noble nation: the Americans, are proving before our very eyes the incontrovertibly true statement made by John Adams, who succeeded George Washington as President of the American Republic: "Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes itself, exhausts and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide."

Looking at the mindless rabble of lemming like creatures who bleat to Obama, even to worship this mediocre individual, truly are not of the same stock as the founders of the US. There's something wrong about worshiping ANY politician... its essentially levantine or religion in nature.

The people who worship Obama are in the same category as what Aristotle called "the born slave"... i.e. people who want and therefore DESERVE a master. They have declared themselves unfit for freedom and democracy.

It is unfortunate that the american electorate is incapable of self awareness... But they show how prophetic and true were the words of the great Julius Evola.

who, here, sums up the "American Problem" quite well and with the straightforward and harsh, honesty that liberalism and Political Correctness have effaced in this generation:

"The United States represents the reductio ad absurdum of the negative and the most senile aspects of Western civilization. What in Europe exist in diluted form are magnified and concentrated in the United States whereby they are revealed as the symptoms of disintegration and cultural and human regression. The American mentality can only be interpreted as an example of regression, which shows itself in the mental atrophy towards all higher interests and incomprehension of higher sensibility. The American mind has limited horizons, one conscribed to everything which is immediate and simplistic, with the inevitable consequence that everything is made banal, basic and leveled down until it is deprived of all spiritual life. Life itself in American terms is entirely mechanistic. The sense of I in America belongs entirely to the physical level of existence. The typical American neither has spiritual dilemmas nor complications: he is a natural joiner and conformist."

And when Evola speaks of "spirit" he does not mean the anything so silly as is often supposed... he means spirit in the way our Viking and Norsk ancestors did... as individuality and self respect.

Liberalism (at least the modern american left wing variety of it), does lack in self respect and virility. The liberal mass man must always be ready to show some self hatred (usually manifested by angst remorse about racism, or cursing his ancestors). That's the essence of political correctness: reconciliation with self-abasement ... It is a subconscious death wish and desire to lower one's self to the level of cringing inferiority.

and as Evola noted again:

“The inferior never lives a fuller life than when he feels his existence is subsumed in a greater order endowed with a center; then he feels like a man standing before leaders of men, and experiences the pride of serving as a free man in his proper station.”

Julius Evola

How shockingly accurate, no?

[Peter F]

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Liberalism (at least the modern american left wing variety of it), does lack in self respect and virility. The liberal mass man must always be ready to show some self hatred (usually manifested by angst remorse about racism, or cursing his ancestors). That's the essence of political correctness: reconciliation with self-abasement ... It is a subconscious death wish and desire to lower one's self to the level of cringing inferiority.

and as Evola noted again:

“The inferior never lives a fuller life than when he feels his existence is subsumed in a greater order endowed with a center; then he feels like a man standing before leaders of men, and experiences the pride of serving as a free man in his proper station.”

Julius Evola

How shockingly accurate, no?

Oooh! Oh! Can I kow-tow to you? please? Oh please let me honour you as my Uber-philosipher.

Get a grip Lictor. You are not superior to anyone on this earth.

Edited September 20, 2009 by Peter F

[lictor616]

You are not superior to anyone on this earth.

not even a rapist pedophile? Or a drug trafficker?

[Peter F]

not even a rapist pedophile? Or a drug trafficker?

not even

[bush_cheney2004]

....The people who worship Obama are in the same category as what Aristotle called "the born slave"... i.e. people who want and therefore DESERVE a master. They have declared themselves unfit for freedom and democracy.

Then we must add many "superior" Europeans to the list based on their fawning over Obama as well. Of course, Europe declared itself unfit for democracy many years ago.

[kuzadd]

Then we must add many "superior" Europeans to the list based on their fawning over Obama as well. Of course, Europe declared itself unfit for democracy many years ago.

why were fawning supporters of bush more fit for democracy LOL ?

Given that Obama is just carrying on the bush legacy??

The bailouts that started with Bush carried on with Obama, same for the "war on terror" bowing to wall street, even the so called health care reform is bending over to wall street, so nothing has changed... nothing ever does....

[Sir Bandelot]

The glorious America of old you dream of never existed. America was created out of violence and bloodshed right from day one. Revolutionary war, civil war and slavery deeply affected the US culture. I think the election of Obama, if anything has brought to light the serious problem of racism in large percentages of society.

However it could be argued that liberalism leads to a kind of permissiveness, that ultimately brings about the destruction of a society. The irony is, without that very liberalism in the first place, you would only have harsh theocratic regimes.

[kimmy]

There's something wrong about worshiping ANY politician...

I agree with this much.

, produced by Ashton Kutcher, features lots of celebrities pledging to support all sorts of socially active causes, but concludes with the pledgers pledging "to be a servant to our president". Dude, he's a president, not a feudal warlord. He doesn't get servants.

-k

[M.Dancer]

He doesn't get servants.

-k

You mean, "Corry in the House" isn't real?

[Sir Bandelot]

I agree with this much.

, produced by Ashton Kutcher, features lots of celebrities pledging to support all sorts of socially active causes, but concludes with the pledgers pledging "to be a servant to our president". Dude, he's a president, not a feudal warlord. He doesn't get servants.

-k

And yet it seems to me, the attitude under George Bush was to give him the utmost respect, follow him anywhere, even into the abyss if he so ordered. Which they soon did

[Pliny]

And yet it seems to me, the attitude under George Bush was to give him the utmost respect, follow him anywhere, even into the abyss if he so ordered. Which they soon did

Yes. I witnessed that - Bush had the utmost respect and Americans followed him everywhere.

Sheesh!

[Argus]

not even

A smart man would not enter a topic merely to make himself look foolish.

You should be quiet now.

[Pliny]

I agree with this much.

, produced by Ashton Kutcher, features lots of celebrities pledging to support all sorts of socially active causes, but concludes with the pledgers pledging "to be a servant to our president". Dude, he's a president, not a feudal warlord. He doesn't get servants.

-k

Hollywood is almost as shallow and sanctimonious as Washington.

Allying themselves with the biggest meddlers, do-gooders and busybodies in politics shows a rather superfluous understanding of the human condition. They haven't put much thought past vacuous sloganeering and symbolism. But man they feel great about themselves!

[Argus]

why were fawning supporters of bush more fit for democracy LOL ?

I have NEVER understood how people can get so excited over politicians. I saw some screaming crowd of Liberals fawning over Ignatieff a short while back and I'm left shaking my head. He's done nothing to justify any man putting him on a pedestal. Nor has Harper, really, nor Layton (of course), and not Obama either.

To see people cheer, crying, going wild over these guys just makes me shake my head in wonderment about the state of our society. There's never been a politician I could unreservedly admire, and I don't see any change on the horizon.

I did admire Preston Manning, though I had to ignore his religious beliefs, but then he went all soft and backtracked on principal and his party sort of collapsed into the same old same old as the others.

[kuzadd]

Yes. I witnessed that - Bush had the utmost respect and Americans followed him everywhere.

Sheesh!

your not suggesting that GWB did not have fanatical followers?

come on, the religious right??

cripes they made documentaries including worship of GWB, recall Jesus camp?

fanatic followers, the only difference is in who is following

[kuzadd]

I have NEVER understood how people can get so excited over politicians.

that I will agree with you on.

[bush_cheney2004]

why were fawning supporters of bush more fit for democracy LOL ?

Bush was supported in Poland, Albania, and Czech Republic.....not all of Europe as exhibited during Obama's campaign swing to emulate JFK.

Given that Obama is just carrying on the bush legacy??

He is carrying out U.S. "legacy".....see post WW2 history.

The bailouts that started with Bush carried on with Obama, same for the "war on terror" bowing to wall street, even the so called health care reform is bending over to wall street, so nothing has changed... nothing ever does....

So this makes Americans stupid compared to Europeans who know better....but still get the exact same thing?

[Michael Hardner]

Bush was supported in Poland, Albania, and Czech Republic.....not all of Europe as exhibited during Obama's campaign swing to emulate JFK.

BC_

also -> Africa

One of the failures of the Bush administration was to make his popularity in Africa known to the American people. Bush's policies in Africa won praise from Bob Geldof and others:

Mr Bush's Malaria initiative has seen the disease halved in 15 African countries.

Travelling to the continent with the president in February last year, Bob Geldof concluded: "The Bush regime has been divisive - but not in Africa.

"I read it has been incompetent - but not in Africa. It has created bitterness - but not here in Africa. Here, his administration has saved millions of lives."

BBC

That speaks to the failure of media to inform us of good news stories, IMO.

[Pliny]

How shockingly accurate, no?

Not entirely.

I agree with kimmy, there is something wrong about worshiping a politician.

But it is the politicians that degrade the system of government using and baiting the electorate with things they full well know they shouldn't be offering them. Gaining control of public education breeds a servile nation where none are prepared for living life and only a few recognize it.

The electorate, once they are at the government trough never relinquish their position and getting fat from the lessening of responsibility to themselves or anyone else brings the mobs for their share which eventually ends in non-production and the fulfillment of Bastiat's premise where "the State is the great fantasy that everyone can live off of the production of everyone else"

Edited September 21, 2009 by Pliny

[Pliny]

your not suggesting that GWB did not have fanatical followers?

come on, the religious right??

cripes they made documentaries including worship of GWB, recall Jesus camp?

fanatic followers, the only difference is in who is following

"Fawning" describes liberals. Fanatic followers describes mobs. The extreme right has their fanatical followers, I agree.

I didn't, to put it in Bernie Goldberg's terms, see "a slobbering love affair" with George Bush in the media. I saw a lot of animosity towards him personally as well as his policies and the tinfoil hat liberals who blamed him for 9/11. Remember, he was the President and I didn't see any videos of celebrities lining up to pledge allegiance.

You must haunt the Liberal hate sites because I saw no documentaries of worship toward GWB. Although, the msm did mention support by the religious right as some kind of slur against them and Bush.

I have, however, seen great worship of Obama in the media. The only place there is no "fawning" over Obama is on Foxnews, negative comment is about his policies and socialist proclivities, rarely is there anything personal said about him other than he is a brilliant orator. Personally, I feel he is a demagogue and speaks in generalities so you never know what he is going to do. I just assume he is going to always move further to the left and just pretend he is a centrist.

When he says he is for "change we can believe in" - he is talking about moving the country left although he avoids saying that specifically and doesn't say how far or what policies.

When he says, "with your help we are going to transform the nation". We know he is going to move the country to the left but we don't know how far or what his policies are.

When he says, he will not sign a health care bill that adds one dime to the deficit does that mean two dimes are ok because it seems a miracle to provide 40 million more Americans with health care without increasing the cost. I mean how is that possible?

He says, I am not going to add more taxes on anyone making less than $250,000/yr and then starts adding protection tariffs on all manner of products increasing the cost of goods to everyone.

Is this what he means - no direct taxes? The tariffs are passed on to the consumer of course. But if he is going to initiate a cap and trade tax how is he going to avoid not having those taxes affect the average American making under $250,00/yr?

All these slogans without specifics are meaningless jargon.

All the while he avoids the label "socialist". Never saying he is one and even countering anyone who calls him one. Well, a lot of Americans know the difference between a free democracy and socialism and a lot more are getting educated now. No thanks to the public education system, but - Thanks, Barack, for waking them up!

Edited September 21, 2009 by Pliny

[kimmy]

And yet it seems to me, the attitude under George Bush was to give him the utmost respect, follow him anywhere, even into the abyss if he so ordered. Which they soon did

We have strikingly different memories of the Bush Jr years.

Who gave Bush their utmost respect? His opponents and critics would barely even give him their civility, and more than a few would not even grant him that.

Even among his supporters, and maybe I'm wrong here, but the attitude seems to have been primarily "Thank god he beat Gore/Kerry." I certainly can't recall Dubya Youth Regiment Drill Teams being formed, or cult-like sing-alongs in his honor, or people pledging to be his servants. None of that.

-k

[bush_cheney2004]

....Even among his supporters, and maybe I'm wrong here, but the attitude seems to have been primarily "Thank god he beat Gore/Kerry." I certainly can't recall Dubya Youth Regiment Drill Teams being formed, or cult-like sing-alongs in his honor, or people pledging to be his servants. None of that.

Agreed.....Bush never ascended to self annointed Jesusdom or cult of personality. Bush also never had to kiss David Letterman's ass to save legislation.

Edited September 22, 2009 by bush_cheney2004

[bush_cheney2004]

BC_

also -> Africa

One of the failures of the Bush administration was to make his popularity in Africa known to the American people. Bush's policies in Africa won praise from Bob Geldof and others:

True....but there was recognition of AIDS policy and successes (PEPFAR program), even with detractors because of abstinence components.

http://www.canada.com/health/story.html?id=1132130

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President'...for_AIDS_Relief

Edited September 22, 2009 by bush_cheney2004

[Sir Bandelot]

We have strikingly different memories of the Bush Jr years.

Who gave Bush their utmost respect? His opponents and critics would barely even give him their civility, and more than a few would not even grant him that.

Even among his supporters, and maybe I'm wrong here, but the attitude seems to have been primarily "Thank god he beat Gore/Kerry." I certainly can't recall Dubya Youth Regiment Drill Teams being formed, or cult-like sing-alongs in his honor, or people pledging to be his servants. None of that.

No, thats true Bush was not a cult of personality. But Bush commanded respect. For example I don't remember anyone jumping up and shouting out "You Lie!" when Bush was speaking on national television... probably because we all knew he was lying.

[kimmy]

No, thats true Bush was not a cult of personality. But Bush commanded respect. For example I don't remember anyone jumping up and shouting out "You Lie!" when Bush was speaking on national television... probably because we all knew he was lying.

If nobody heckled during one of his own speeches, it may have been because they were afraid they'd get their asses kicked by Secret Service agents. I'm highly skeptical that it's an indication of any level of respect for Bush.

This was a guy who was likened to a chimpanzee. People urged him to go eat some pretzels (referencing an incident where he apparently choked on one.) Being called a liar is nothing new for politicians, but the claim that Bush himself planned the murder of thousands of his own citizens is something I can't recall being directed at other presidents. There's also the popularity of the belief that Bush himself was merely a sock-puppet for Dick Cheney. Or the frequent claim that he's a religious wacko, or reference to his use of drugs and alcohol as a young man. I reject as absurd the suggestion that Bush's critics afforded him some level of respect that Obama's critics haven't reciprocated. If anything, the reverse is in evidence.

And that is without mentioning the celebrities, who seem to be a remarkably think-alike group. Bush's lack of intellect was a goldmine for people like Letterman and Jon Stewart. I recall that fat loser clutching his Oscar while he bellowed "SHAME ON YOU MR PRESIDENT SHAME ON YOU..." or the Dixie Chicks or various Baldwins... the celebrities are hardly a representative of the American people as a whole, but they have a loud voice and used it many times to express a genuine contempt for Bush.

I am pretty much amazed right now as I listen to Obama's defenders point to Joe Wilson's outburst or the comments of partisan media hacks or the heated rhetoric over healthcare as some sort of unprecedented state of chaos in American politics, and conclude that it must be because Obama has dark skin. What? Unprecedented? Where were these people during the previous 8 years? What short memories people have.

-k