Ignatieff more bad press

[punked]

Ignatieff feels summer heat

Chief of staff faces rancour over alleged favouritism as party aims to get in fighting shape for the fall

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/685526

You think the power grab would happen after the Liberals win. You would think the knives would come out after the Liberals lose. Although Dobbin keeps telling me the Liberals are united.

[jdobbin]

You think the power grab would happen after the Liberals win. You would think the knives would come out after the Liberals lose. Although Dobbin keeps telling me the Liberals are united.

I said there was no leadership rancour. This article doesn't mention any.

I also said a few days ago I was concerned about the inexperience in the leader's office.

[Oleg Bach]

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/685526

You think the power grab would happen after the Liberals win. You would think the knives would come out after the Liberals lose. Although Dobbin keeps telling me the Liberals are united.

The liberals will NOT lose - After doing an in depth study of Ignatieff - It is clear to me that this man has substance and soul - and intelligent compassion - He has what Canadians need..The Harper Camp is harshg and disconnected from the needs of our citizens - People are tired of having a governent in power who's primary concerns are centred around maintaining the sic status quo that still holds Americans by the throat - we don't need henchmanship in service of America - Ignatieff IS more Canadian in the long run then Harper the neo-con could ever be - we need a leader to serve our buisness and interests - not the interests of America - FAMILY FIRST.

[Moonbox]

Once again Oleg comes to the table with a rant that nobody is going to pay notice to. At least I could understand this one though.

[Oleg Bach]

Once again Oleg comes to the table with a rant that nobody is going to pay notice to. At least I could understand this one though.

It's evident that you want to call my post a rant regardless of whether it is or not. Then you contradict yourself by saying in very few words that the post is understandable? Well what is it - a crazed and incoherent rant or a good clear legible post? What? You don't like the idea that I am about to electronically cross the floor to the liberal left? Well I am about to - If I am disliked on the right - I will go to where I am appreciated - and I can lobby ------ I helped lobby out the liberals and I can help lobby them back in...never underestimate a nobody.

[bush_cheney2004]

... Ignatieff IS more Canadian in the long run then Harper the neo-con could ever be - we need a leader to serve our buisness and interests - not the interests of America - FAMILY FIRST.

Yet PM Harper has no American cloaking device like Ignatieff. Or many years living in America. Is being the most "Canadian" a counterintuitive experience?

Edited August 24, 2009 by bush_cheney2004

[fellowtraveller]

I said there was no leadership rancour.

You also claimed Harper was being hunted down within his own party.

Still think that?

[jdobbin]

You also claimed Harper was being hunted down within his own party.

Still think that?

I don't recall ever saying that. Perhaps you could show me. Unless you are referring to 2005 when there was indeed rancour.

Edited August 24, 2009 by jdobbin

[OddSox]

Once again Oleg comes to the table with a rant that nobody is going to pay notice to. At least I could understand this one though.

Why does Oleg refuse to use sentences?

[Jerry J. Fortin]

Iggy has the keys to the kingdom in his hand. He is just waiting to find the door and unlock it. I am sure Harper will do the expected thing and show him the way.

[Moonbox]

It's evident that you want to call my post a rant regardless of whether it is or not. Then you contradict yourself by saying in very few words that the post is understandable?

A 'rant' doesn't HAVE to be unintelligible. A rant is an extravagant display in which what you say has more 'style' or 'noise' than substance. Most of your rants border on unintelligible. This one at least could be read without getting your eyes crossed.

What? You don't like the idea that I am about to electronically cross the floor to the liberal left? Well I am about to - If I am disliked on the right - I will go to where I am appreciated - and I can lobby ------ I helped lobby out the liberals and I can help lobby them back in...never underestimate a nobody.

I couldn't care less who you support because I don't understand half of what you say or I lose interest in the 'long-winded loquaciousness'.

Edited August 25, 2009 by Moonbox

[fellowtraveller]

I don't recall ever saying that. Perhaps you could show me. Unless you are referring to 2005 when there was indeed rancour.

It was just before you insisted there would be an election last spring. "The Knives are out for Harper, who will be his replacement"

Forgotten already?

[jdobbin]

It was just before you insisted there would be an election last spring. "The Knives are out for Harper, who will be his replacement"

Forgotten already?

I showed a link to that article from CTV. I didn't write that headline. In fact, if you read any post where I reference an article, I use that article's header for the post. Or have you forgotten already?

My own comment on the article was that if Harper was replaced by the coalition that he would likely face a leadership review. I said I had no idea how organized some of these backroom campaigns were but that I was surprised how fast they got web pages up. Or have you forgotten that already too?

[Oleg Bach]

Yet PM Harper has no American cloaking device like Ignatieff. Or many years living in America. Is being the most "Canadian" a counterintuitive experience?

Ignatieff knows exactly how America ticks and what motivates the characters - and what the sub-text is - Harper is a novice...I would rather go with the guy - that might give you guy a hard time...Ignatieff turned on Canada - which means he is more that capabel once settled in on turning on America.

[fellowtraveller]

I showed a link to that article from CTV. I didn't write that headline. In fact, if you read any post where I reference an article, I use that article's header for the post. Or have you forgotten already?

Come now, your enthusiasm for the idea was longlived and sincere, don't try and pretend now you were just a plucky yet dispassionate observer. You found somethign that meshed with your heratfelt Liberal Party of Canada wet dream and ran hard with it. Few people joined your circlejerk though about Harper being in jeopardy, just as few joined the one you tried to organize around Harper engineeering a spring election.

If you insist on being revisionist about your own failures, at least have the wit to wait a while.

[jdobbin]

Come now, your enthusiasm for the idea was longlived and sincere, don't try and pretend now you were just a plucky yet dispassionate observer. You found somethign that meshed with your heratfelt Liberal Party of Canada wet dream and ran hard with it. Few people joined your circlejerk though about Harper being in jeopardy, just as few joined the one you tried to organize around Harper engineeering a spring election.

Look, I obviously can't help your frothy anger about all this.

There certainly was talk about the situation that Harper led the party to with his legislation and certainly a few people looked at what might come after. There were the beginnings of some campaigns that began to happen.

As for an election, it was exactly Harper's intent to cripple party finances save for his party and call an election while the Liberals were in a leadership campaign. It would have been perfect timing since he would have run against Dion or some other interim leader.

The Liberals foiled that by appointing Ignatieff as leader immediately.

Wasn't it you and others who repeatedly said last time that Harper would not call an election before the end of the mandate? What a lie that turned out to be. And the excuses were heard! It was the Liberals fault we were told. How? Did Harper lose a confidence vote? No.

This is the sort of crap that we hear all the time from some on the Tory front. Harper's promise to fulfill a mandate is a lie. His legislation on election timetables is a lie. He will call an election when he feels he can win and he felt he could win last time when he called it.

If you insist on being revisionist about your own failures, at least have the wit to wait a while.

You insist on lying about the link I posted. I didn't make up the header. I didn't make up the story. And there were a lot of people speculating on what would happen if Harper hadn't prorogued Parliament. Many suspected his own party would have been shocked and it would have fallen on Harper's head.

Your failure to actually show where I wrote anything but the link and the header from the article speaks volumes. I also never said Harper was being hunted down by his own party. I said there was speculation on what would happen if they lost the confidence vote.

More revisionist history from the angry, extremist right wing.

Edited August 26, 2009 by jdobbin

[Hydraboss]

Look, I obviously can't help your frothy anger about all this.

There certainly was talk about the situation that Harper led the party to with his legislation and certainly a few people looked at what might come after. There were the beginnings of some campaigns that began to happen.

As for an election, it was exactly Harper's intent to cripple party finances save for his party and call an election while the Liberals were in a leadership campaign. It would have been perfect timing since he would have run against Dion or some other interim leader.

The Liberals foiled that by appointing Ignatieff as leader immediately.

Wasn't it you and others who repeatedly said last time that Harper would not call an election before the end of the mandate? What a lie that turned out to be. And the excuses were heard! It was the Liberals fault we were told. How? Did Harper lose a confidence vote? No.

This is the sort of crap that we hear all the time from some on the Tory front. Harper's promise to fulfill a mandate is a lie. His legislation on election timetables is a lie. He will call an election when he feels he can win and he felt he could win last time when he called it.

You insist on lying about the link I posted. I didn't make up the header. I didn't make up the story. And there were a lot of people speculating on what would happen if Harper hadn't prorogued Parliament. Many suspected his own party would have been shocked and it would have fallen on Harper's head.

Your failure to actually show where I wrote anything but the link and the header from the article speaks volumes. I also never said Harper was being hunted down by his own party. I said there was speculation on what would happen if they lost the confidence vote.

More revisionist history from the angry, extremist right wing.

Can I have a quarter everytime Dobbin uses the word "lie"? I want to buy a diesel pusher motorhome and this would probably be the quickest way.

[madmax]

Can I have a quarter everytime Dobbin uses the word "lie"?

He'd stop using it if the Conservatives stopped lieing. But if they keep it up, you'll be rich.

I remember Harpers self imposed election of 2008.

Edited August 27, 2009 by madmax

[Oleg Bach]

He'd stop using it if the Conservatives stopped lieing. But if they keep it up, you'll be rich.

I remember Harpers self imposed election of 2008.

"Lie" - that's harsh - what I saw in my experience was even more harsh - yet painted over as if it were kind civility - at the court of appeal I read a ruling that said the trial judge "mispoke" What the hell does that mean - either he lied or he was crazy.

[Hydraboss]

He'd stop using it if the Conservatives stopped lieing. But if they keep it up, you'll be rich.

I remember Harpers self imposed election of 2008.

Actually, I was referring to Dobbin screaming "lie" with regards to other posters on the board.

[jdobbin]

Can I have a quarter everytime Dobbin uses the word "lie"? I want to buy a diesel pusher motorhome and this would probably be the quickest way.

Can I have a quarter every time someone actually lies here?

[jdobbin]

Actually, I was referring to Dobbin screaming "lie" with regards to other posters on the board.

If they had something to back up accusations, I wouldn't keep calling them on it.

[punked]

If they had something to back up accusations, I wouldn't keep calling them on it.

Pffftttttttttt right.

[jdobbin]

Pffftttttttttt right.

Okay, you show me where I said Harper was being hunted down by his own party. If you can, you can call me out on this.

[punked]

Okay, you show me where I said Harper was being hunted down by his own party. If you can, you can call me out on this.

Never said you did Dobbin you big liar.