lily Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 People like you griz, who work themselves into a fine lather because some street thug ambushed 3 white guys with a camera so he could cry racism after taunting them ad provoking them to fight... Is that what happened? Was the guy a street thug who ambushed 3 white guys, taunting them, etc? YOu seem to be the only one arguing that point.... here and everywhere else I've read about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lictor616 Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Is that what happened? Was the guy a street thug who ambushed 3 white guys, taunting them, etc?YOu seem to be the only one arguing that point.... here and everywhere else I've read about this. well judging by his garb, and his obvious hand spoiling gestures (BRAZENLY INVITING A FIGHT), he clearly knew what he was doing... The black guy could have simply walked away from that one... but he chose to stand and challenge all 3 of them... some may call this brave, but many would call this stupid- he wasn't fighting for self defense, he wasn't fighting for the sake of somebody else... so really it's not clear why the black guy was in this situation... add to that the defalayed/concealed JOHNNY ON THE SPOT WITH THE CAMERA factor... and you have your doubts... this whole scene reeks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_chick Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 (edited) Spoken like a true racist. Err, no. A racist would imply that the attackers behaviour was *a result* of their race. Implying that these types of attacks are carried out in groups is a sociological observation which is documented and occurs in all types of races and nationalities... not just 'white' people. Ever heard of mob mentality? It's the same thing, but in this case, race related. Too bad, Courtenay is a beautiful spot. Indeed, on Thursday or Friday about a 1000 people attended an anti-racism rally in Courtnay to show that they do not condone such behaviour. Judging the town by the actions of a few twerps is just as ridiculous as the actions of little twerps themselves. Edited July 12, 2009 by BC_chick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lictor616 Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Err, no. A racist would imply that the attackers behaviour was *a result* of their race. Implying that these types of attacks are carried out in groups is a sociological observation which is documented and occurs in all types of races and nationalities... not just 'white' people. Ever heard of mob mentality? It's the same thing, but in this case, race related. yeah we can see the mob mentality quite clearly for all those clamoring for a "hate crime" show trial... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_chick Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 (edited) yeah we can see the mob mentality quite clearly for all those clamoring for a "hate crime" show trial... Right, good comparison. One group is advocating non-violent justice based on something with which you just happen to disagree.... while the other believes in beating the bejesus out of somebody while hurling racially motivated obscenities. One and the same... of course. Edited July 12, 2009 by BC_chick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lictor616 Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Right, good comparison. One group is advocating non-violent justice based on something with which you just don't happen to agree.... while the other believes in beating the bejesus out of somebody while hurling racially motivated obscenities. One and the same... of course. what a bizarre misrepresentation... The people clamoring for a "hate crime" really are enemies of justice in any reasonable sense... after all: "hate crimes" are "thought crimes" because they punish the offender for WHAT HE WAS THINKING OF while committing a crime... Furthermore, hate crimes also set completely flawed standards for judging what should be deserving of additional punishment: why is hate worst then... "jealousy" say... should there be "jealousy" crimes? What about "comedic" crimes... crimes perpetrated for laughs? should they be a separate category? justice based? NONSENSE! A hate crime is simply a travesty of justice, it is Orwell's worst nightmare... and there is no such thing as a "hate crime" in Western Judicial systems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 what a bizarre misrepresentation... The people clamoring for a "hate crime" really are enemies of justice in any reasonable sense... after all: "hate crimes" are "thought crimes" because they punish the offender for WHAT HE WAS THINKING OF while committing a crime... Furthermore, hate crimes also set completely flawed standards for judging what should be deserving of additional punishment: why is hate worst then... "jealousy" say... should there be "jealousy" crimes? What about "comedic" crimes... crimes perpetrated for laughs? should they be a separate category? justice based? NONSENSE! A hate crime is simply a travesty of justice, it is Orwell's worst nightmare... and there is no such thing as a "hate crime" in Western Judicial systems. There's enough red herrings in the above pile of jetsam to open up a fish shop. 1) Thought crime. there are dozens of crimes that are on the books for "thinking"....they are called criminal conspiracy. Althjough hate crimes are never only thought...the actions are always follwed by verbal announcements 2) Almost all crimes have riders which can earn additional punishment. Assault, assault cause bodily harm...manslaughter, murder...premeditated murder etc etc.... 3) There is no such thing as hate crime in western etc etc....Demonstably false as many trials and convictions have shown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Groups of Blacks attack Whites in this city almost every day. It just isn't called a hate crime, and it gets little publicity. The media is even reluctant to identify the race of the attackers, lest it cause offense. Thugs are thugs. I don't for the life of me understand why liberal types gets indignant only when it's whites attacking a black guy, or when some gay guy gets beaten up because he's gay. Some people say motivation is always a consideration in sentencing. That's true, but only insofar as whether or not the motive in any way excuses the behavior of the attacker. Generally, when motive is a factor it happens when the person who was attacked could be said to have provoked the attack in some way, or if the attacker was high on drugs or alcohol, and so unable to form intent. But three thugs who beat a guy up just for fun are in no way more innocent than three guys who beat a guy up for fun because the guy is black or gay. Some swagging asshole who likes to throw his weight around should be locked up so he can play with like-minded assholes, regardless of why he attacked someone, unless there are extenuating circumstances. The very idea of a "hate crime" is intellectually bankrupt and morally indefensible. Three swaggering punks mock, ridicule, and beat the crap out of a guy because he looks weak, or he looks like a pansy, or he looks like a geek, or has goofy hair, or he has acne or just because, get punished one way, but if they beat up a guy cause he's black or gay it's in a whole other league? Drivel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lictor616 Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 (edited) There's enough red herrings in the above pile of jetsam to open up a fish shop.1) Thought crime. there are dozens of crimes that are on the books for "thinking"....they are called criminal conspiracy. Althjough hate crimes are never only thought...the actions are always follwed by verbal announcements 2) Almost all crimes have riders which can earn additional punishment. Assault, assault cause bodily harm...manslaughter, murder...premeditated murder etc etc.... 3) There is no such thing as hate crime in western etc etc....Demonstably false as many trials and convictions have shown. 1/ Criminal conspiracy is an obscene loophole- technically "A criminal conspiracy exists when two or more people agree to commit almost any unlawful act" hence any crime could be labeled a conspiracy. "Conspiracy" as a statutory offense has nearly been abolished. The notion however that someone gets into a fist fight because of the race or hairstyle of a certain person cannot by any stretch of the imagination be prosecuted as a "conspiracy". 2/ Assault is not the same as thought... there's a reason why western style justice systems operate under what "DAMAGE" is caused. I can tell if someone has had a nose broken, I can tell when a home has been arsoned, I can tell when teeth have been knocked out- I can tell if someone caused bodily harm as self defense.... I CANNOT tell however, when people are victimized by WORDS THAT ARE SAID TO THEM, or by thoughts thunk by a perpetrator- there is NO WAY of knowing someone is victimized by thoughts or words. if someone is shot because of a certain style of clothes, why is this somehow less egregious, and less deserving of punishment then if someone is shot because of his race? Again, "hate crime" is a slap in the face to our whole conception of justice. 3/ there had never been "laws" such as a "hate crimes" until the early 2000's... hate crimes are a completely novel concept... and even today, there are numerous problems with their "enactment". Edited July 12, 2009 by lictor616 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulf42 Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 (edited) Groups of Blacks attack Whites in this city almost every day. It just isn't called a hate crime, and it gets little publicity. The media is even reluctant to identify the race of the attackers, lest it cause offense. Unfortunately the same holds true here as well..........blacks attack whites here all the time and hardly makes the evening news.......but good God if a group of whites attack a black.........the news is all over it and people are ready for a mob hanging.................where is the equal justice in that? all that does is give more ammunition for all these stupid moronic white supremist groups that are now popping up all over this country and gaining support! The laws and people's reaction should be exactly the same if a white attacks a black or a black attacks a white, it should be just as equally wrong either way but as of now it is not! Edited July 12, 2009 by wulf42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lictor616 Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Unfortunately the same holds true here as well..........blacks attack whites here all the time and hardly makes the evening news.......but good God if a group of whites attack a black.........the news is all over it and people are ready for a mob hanging.................where is the equal justice in that? all that does is give more ammunition for all these stupid moronic white supremist groups that are now popping up all over this country and gaining support!The laws and people's reaction should be exactly the same if a white attacks a black or a black attacks a white, it should be just as equally wrong either way but as of now it is not! most of us sober people are quite aware of this sickening double standard... and the same people who are usually foaming at the mouth with hate and anger at "white on black" "hate crimes" are always conspicuously silent about the reverse situation of "black on white crime" which is far more prevalent and often far more egregious. In places where interracial crime stats are compiled (such as the US) 85 of interracial crimes are black-on-white, yet reading newspapers and watching TV news does not confirm this reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabidgoose Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 how more "alice in wonderland ethics" can it get? Gee lictor, I dunno...maybe about as Alice in Wonderland as you seem to have gotten. I take a long weekend off for holiday and get back to quotes from you such as: "I leave the street thuggery up to blacks.... they seem to like it... " "Well that black guy just looks like such a perp... " "such are the multicultural jungles that diversity is making of our high schools..." "Incidentally: the black male is clearly CHALLENGING THEM to fight... (maybe this is another rodney king incident, where he knew someone would be hidden with a camera?)" Got news for you buddy, that myth about the Rodney King videotaping being a setup was debunked a long, long time ago. and then there's my personal favorite: "Don't think that I approve of hate crime legislation: whatever you mean by "oxymoron" I don't know... " In your case, just ignore the "oxy" part, lictor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griz Posted July 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Where did I say this? Holy smokers what bit your coffee this morning? What about my other points like the Highway of Tears? Apparently those guys attacked the blackman in a Macdonald's Parking lot over a cheese burger? How could it have been staged? To you the 14 on 1 black on white assault is "not" a hate crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabre Rider Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Unfortunately the same holds true here as well..........blacks attack whites here all the time and hardly makes the evening news.......but good God if a group of whites attack a black.........the news is all over it and people are ready for a mob hanging.................where is the equal justice in that? all that does is give more ammunition for all these stupid moronic white supremist groups that are now popping up all over this country and gaining support!The laws and people's reaction should be exactly the same if a white attacks a black or a black attacks a white, it should be just as equally wrong either way but as of now it is not! Do they still play "Broom the Coon" in Halifax? just wondering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulf42 Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 (edited) Do they still play "Broom the Coon" in Halifax? just wondering. This is the typical remark from a childish Liberal... but the truth is still the same equal rights should be just that equal!! you treat the perps the same exactly if they are black ,white or plaid, obviously by your childish comment you can t grasp such a simple concept! so maybe you shouldn t play with the grown ups! I guess you think only certain races deserve to have rights and not others huh?? Edited July 13, 2009 by wulf42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangles Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 This is the typical remark from a childish Liberal... but the truth is still the same equal rights should be just that equal!! you treat the perps the same exactly if they are black ,white or plaid, obviously by your childish commentyou can t grasp such a simple concept! so maybe you shouldn t play with the grown ups! I guess you think only certain races deserve to have rights and not others huh?? People should be treated the same way regardless of where they’re from or who they are. That includes all sections of the spectrum ranging from justice to the job market. I do find it amusing that the word "Liberal" is usually tagged on miscegenationists (such as myself), those who live in mixed neighborhoods, urban dwellers, and minorities. In addition the word liberal is thrown with a vicious vigor at those who accept that race is just a social construct and demand equal treatment (in all sectors of society). This is fallacy. Conservatives throughout different corners of this continent believe in the same principles, and there are minorities in Canada who support the conservative party. In fact the conservative victories in the past two elections have hinged so much on the visible minority vote. I can’t see the party really enacting policies that will upset them. I suggest if you vote conservative due to a false belief that somehow they will fulfill your racialist fantasies, I'd suggest you start yourself another party that will because the Canadian torys is not it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 3/ there had never been "laws" such as a "hate crimes" until the early 2000's... hate crimes are a completely novel concept... and even today, there are numerous problems with their "enactment". Again you fail. See the United Kingdom and their anti terrorism laws of the 1970s-80s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulf42 Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 I suggest if you vote conservative due to a false belief that somehow they will fulfill your racialist fantasies, I'd suggest you start yourself another party that will because the Canadian torys is not it. lol...............so treating ALL races the same equally under the law makes me a racist??? ...................your an idiot! Good God no wonder this country is in so much trouble ...to many people who think like you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangles Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 (edited) lol...............so treating ALL races the same equally under the law makes me a racist??? ...................your an idiot!Good God no wonder this country is in so much trouble ...to many people who think like you! If you truly you believe that we should treat all races equal (not just under the law, but in every sector of society including jobs, housing, marriage etc), then this does not necessarily apply to you. But tossing "liberal" around like a curse word is highly immature. Edited July 13, 2009 by Strangles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulf42 Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 (edited) If you truly you believe that we should treat all races equal (not just under the law, but in every sector of society including jobs, housing, marriage etc), then this does not necessarily apply to you. But tossing "liberal" around like a curse word is highly immature. and asking if we still do "broom the coon" in Halifax is considered ok??? which by the way i fully intend to report! okay i see how you people think on here, you pick and choose what is considered acceptable comments according to who is posting....got it!! Edited July 13, 2009 by wulf42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangles Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 and asking if we still do "broom the coon" in Halifax is considered ok??? which by the way i fully intend to report!okay i see how you people think on here, you pick and choose what is considered acceptable comments according to who is posting....got it!! I didn't ask you that. Has it occurred to you the person that asked you might be a conservative? Let’s take this topic elsewhere…. Halifax is one of the most beautiful towns in Canada in my opinion, and I've done some extensive work there, and while by no means am I trying to generalize, many there don't take kindly to taking orders from someone with darker skin. Racism in the job market and especially higher echelons of corporate offices still exist. Many still believe "All races are created equal, but some more equal than others". I find racist to be both of liberal and conservative political alignment, of every colour, ethnicity and background. This is why anti-discrimination laws exist. I won't be surprised if an Indian or Korean manager find themselves embroiled in their wrath within the next few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulf42 Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 If you truly you believe that we should treat all races equal (not just under the law, but in every sector of society including jobs, housing, marriage etc), then this does not necessarily apply to you. But tossing "liberal" around like a curse word is highly immature. Of course i believe in equal rights for all races...........................there should be absolutely no difference in hiring practices.......housing...human rights or rights under the law..........for any race................people should be hired for what they know and are qualified for........not their skin colour...................the law must be equally intolerant against ALL hate crimes and assaults no matter what the colour!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangles Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 (edited) Of course i believe in equal rights for all races...........................there should be absolutely no difference in hiring practices.......housing...human rights or rights under the law..........for any race................people should be hired for what they know and are qualified for........not their skin colour...................the law must be equally intolerantagainst ALL hate crimes and assaults no matter what the colour!! I fully agree with you. However the whole point of this topic was about those who do not agree with this principle. And some here try to justify the unjustifiable. Edited July 13, 2009 by Strangles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lictor616 Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 (edited) People should be treated the same way regardless of where they’re from or who they are. That includes all sections of the spectrum ranging from justice to the job market. I do find it amusing that the word "Liberal" is usually tagged on miscegenationists (such as myself), those who live in mixed neighborhoods, urban dwellers, and minorities. In addition the word liberal is thrown with a vicious vigor at those who accept that race is just a social construct and demand equal treatment (in all sectors of society). This is fallacy. Conservatives throughout different corners of this continent believe in the same principles, and there are minorities in Canada who support the conservative party. In fact the conservative victories in the past two elections have hinged so much on the visible minority vote. I can’t see the party really enacting policies that will upset them. I suggest if you vote conservative due to a false belief that somehow they will fulfill your racialist fantasies, I'd suggest you start yourself another party that will because the Canadian torys is not it. so a system of complete racial equality, which doesn't consider race AT ALL... is still somehow ... RACIST? am I getting this right? Wanting to treat people of different races EQUALLY... is RAcist... I mean how much more proof do you need to see that all this hate crime hooplah has nothing to do with anti racism... and everything to do with bludgeoning the white majority into accepting its own racial subjugation and "payback" for some real or imagine racism. People like strangles are the real racists... people who want to enact laws to dispossess an identifiable group. The fact that he couldn't bring himself to qualify the 14 on 1 (black on white 14 year old girl assault) as ALSO a hatecrime shows the functioning of this person's mind: which is filled with racial hatred for white people. Edited July 13, 2009 by lictor616 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 I mean how much more proof that all this hate crime hooplah has nothing to do with anti racism... An iota of proof would be a start....you're hysterics and tangible fear and cowardice of blacks not proof....nor are your falsohoods and strawmen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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