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All to the contrary, it makes a lot of sense but perhaps too much for you!

benny may be broadcasting our of China and does not really know the language. Maybe we sent some bad teacher over there to teach English? :lol: It looks like we have an advantage over benny - benny if an illiterate. No personal offense there benny - YOU know our laws and you will manipulate them..Much like that lady that had the pass port problem in Africa -we invite her into our home - and now she wants to sue us for over two million bucks for the kindness.

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benny may be broadcasting our of China and does not really know the language. Maybe we sent some bad teacher over there to teach English? :lol: It looks like we have an advantage over benny - benny if an illiterate. No personal offense there benny - YOU know our laws and you will manipulate them..Much like that lady that had the pass port problem in Africa -we invite her into our home - and now she wants to sue us for over two million bucks for the kindness.

more and more personal attacks

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Isn't that (finding out situation first hand, rather than from the the hands of government spinners) one reason we elect representatives? Not Liberal, obviously. Ministry of truth defines the party line of day, and any deviation is treated as a taboo. Why does it remind me of something else here, could anybody help?

Hamas controls the movements of the U.N. within Gaza and spin things their way. The freedom to move about and assess things in the West Bank does not face the same restrictions. Perhaps you will look that up.

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Hamas controls the movements of the U.N. within Gaza and spin things their way. The freedom to move about and assess things in the West Bank does not face the same restrictions. Perhaps you will look that up.

Precisely by visiting Gaza, Borys Wrzesnewsky would have gained some credibility to argue about these controls. But he refused!

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Spoke to a documentary film producer, who visted Gaza and Israel proper. She said both sides tossed rocks - She said the rocks were not the fist size you expect in a traditional mid-eastern stoning..they were the size of basket balls..Her arm was nearly torn off...and BOTH sides harrassed her calling the crew Nazis - all they were doing is documenting events and situations...this place is worthless.

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Spoke to a documentary film producer, who visted Gaza and Israel proper. She said both sides tossed rocks - She said the rocks were not the fist size you expect in a traditional mid-eastern stoning..they were the size of basket balls..Her arm was nearly torn off...and BOTH sides harrassed her calling the crew Nazis - all they were doing is documenting events and situations...this place is worthless.

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Are you a simpleton? Or just looking for trouble? Or both...look at the heading of the thread. Politicals seek support of the Jewish community in Canada in the next election....correct! Anything to do with Israel or Gaza connects to the topic - because most activist Jews in Canada are very concerned about the middle east - and how we deal with the middle east effects how the Jewish community will vote. My stories give some insight into the Gaza Israeli issue. The more insight we have the better. So what do you have to say other than "off topic"? Go ahead and say something that is on topic...I am listening.

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Are you a simpleton? Or just looking for trouble? Or both...look at the heading of the thread. Politicals seek support of the Jewish community in Canada in the next election....correct! Anything to do with Israel or Gaza connects to the topic - because most activist Jews in Canada are very concerned about the middle east - and how we deal with the middle east effects how the Jewish community will vote. My stories give some insight into the Gaza Israeli issue. The more insight we have the better. So what do you have to say other than "off topic"? Go ahead and say something that is on topic...I am listening.

Take a look at post #1083.

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Everybody,

Stop the off-topic banter. Discuss "Grits, Tories battle for Jewish support in next election" or stay out of this thread.

If you want to talk about Israel, do so in the International section.

Ch. A.

Benny loves the rule book. And has an unhealthy appreciation for authority - except when it suits him or her..or what ever. Charles Anthony's attempt to have us focus is helpful - but even the mods can make mistakes - like listening to bennys complaints. Without fully understanding what motivates the writer. If the Grits and Tories want to sway Jewish voters - just pledge full support for Israel and they have that vote - I wonder if the left and the right can do that at the same time and get away with being sincere?

You see that's the problem. People are more perceptive these days and they will know who is pandering - all of them! With todays atmosphere of resentment for recent Israeli actions in Gaza - it's pretty touchy. Worst part the issues will be clouded in some sort of ruse cloaked in anti-semitism - which is less these days..and not more dispite what some what to diseminate...I think what is on the rise is anti-asshole...To suck up to it is called brown nosing.

People are not as foolishly racist or anti-jewish as their fore fathers - but I do believe that most of the anglo - politicals still have this phoney thing going on with the jews - they are still old school and think in terms of international banking conspiracy and so forth. They imagine that Jewish interests and concerns are the top of the power heap - again - the left and right in Canada have a dated mindset - the average young Jew - really does not represent an Allan Greenspan on mass...stero-typicallity..seems to still prevail - The Jewish vote is no more important than the Muslim vote. Times have changed folks - you have to battle it out for ALL the votes..no one sector of Canadian culture is going to win you an election. Get with the times.

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Get with the times.

All to the contrary! If you want to understand why there are still Jews at very different top positions and in very different countries, you will have to accept a timeless truth: to climb at the top, one has to be a singular individual, that is, an individual with very little appetite to follow a crowd.

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Hamas controls the movements of the U.N. within Gaza and spin things their way. The freedom to move about and assess things in the West Bank does not face the same restrictions. Perhaps you will look that up.

I have to "look up" proofs to your statements, Dobbin? Are you trying to be funny, again?

Anyways. So we better not have any first hand information and (because it'd make it so much easier?) just press on with the party line? There it goes, folks. You elect your Liberal MP. They will not go out and find out the truth for you. Instead, they'll read you a prepared statement thought out by Iggy to maximise his chances of electability at the moment. Looks like somebody likes Harper's approaches to party discipline, and wouldn't mind to try them; potentially making Libs even closer to being an identical twin of the Conservatives.

And so, we have a real chance to end up with the total and absolute triumph of democracy:

- the only two parties that could ever be elected to govern;

- identical in any practical point of policy;

- and party organization;

- could only be distinguished by slight variations of terminology and polemics ("free market" vs "social policies")

We're really privileged to live to see this!

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I have to "look up" proofs to your statements, Dobbin? Are you trying to be funny, again?

Anyways. So we better not have any first hand information and (because it'd make it so much easier?) just press on with the party line? There it goes, folks. You elect your Liberal MP. They will not go out and find out the truth for you. Instead, they'll read you a prepared statement thought out by Iggy to maximise his chances of electability at the moment. Looks like somebody likes Harper's approaches to party discipline, and wouldn't mind to try them; potentially making Libs even closer to being an identical twin of the Conservatives.

And so, we have a real chance to end up with the total and absolute triumph of democracy:

- the only two parties that could ever be elected to govern;

- identical in any practical point of policy;

- and party organization;

- could only be distinguished by slight variations of terminology and polemics ("free market" vs "social policies")

We're really privileged to live to see this!

There would be more democratic options in Gaza than in Canada!

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I have to "look up" proofs to your statements, Dobbin? Are you trying to be funny, again?

Are you trying to be funny thinking movement within Gaza isn't heavily controlled by Hamas?

The propaganda coming out of there is outrageous.

Or do you you believe that Israelis are harvesting organs from Palestinians?

Anyways. So we better not have any first hand information and (because it'd make it so much easier?) just press on with the party line? There it goes, folks. You elect your Liberal MP. They will not go out and find out the truth for you. Instead, they'll read you a prepared statement thought out by Iggy to maximise his chances of electability at the moment. Looks like somebody likes Harper's approaches to party discipline, and wouldn't mind to try them; potentially making Libs even closer to being an identical twin of the Conservatives.

And so, we have a real chance to end up with the total and absolute triumph of democracy:

- the only two parties that could ever be elected to govern;

- identical in any practical point of policy;

- and party organization;

- could only be distinguished by slight variations of terminology and polemics ("free market" vs "social policies")

We're really privileged to live to see this!

You elect your local NDP and BQ MPs to visit Gaza for 24 hours to be a propaganda tool for Hamas?

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Are you trying to be funny thinking movement within Gaza isn't heavily controlled by Hamas?

And how would you know for certain what's actually going on in those places if you yourself refuse to find out first hand?

By reading your ideological crystal ball?

Perhaps, not unlike Harper and Co?

The propaganda coming out of there is outrageous.

Or do you you believe that Israelis are harvesting organs from Palestinians?

What else do you believe that I believe? And how would that relate to the topic? Other than an obvious distraction from it?

You elect your local NDP and BQ MPs to visit Gaza for 24 hours to be a propaganda tool for Hamas?

We elect all MPs to find out first hand information for us. Some parties however, are obviously more concerned with ideological and electoral considerations, than triffle matters of establishing the truth or standing up for principles they themselves proclaimed, but have no will or courage to follow through upon.

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And how would you know for certain what's actually going on in those places if you yourself refuse to find out first hand?

By reading your ideological crystal ball?

Perhaps, not unlike Harper and Co?

I think we know because it is what happened last time and it happened again this time.

What else do you believe that I believe? And how would that relate to the topic? Other than an obvious distraction from it?

It relates because it is the type of propaganda that is put out there. At least in the West Bank, there is a lot more freedom to move around without the same handling you get in Gaza.

We elect all MPs to find out first hand information for us. Some parties however, are obviously more concerned with ideological and electoral considerations, than triffle matters of establishing the truth or standing up for principles they themselves proclaimed, but have no will or courage to follow through upon.

Some MPs are obviously less concerned about being used as propaganda tools for organizations universally regarded as terrorists. However, in your mind they aren't.

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I think we know because it is what happened last time and it happened again this time.

And building of settlements has happened since Day 1, is going on as we speak, and for all we know "will happen again this time" (and the next time and in forever time, till someone finally finds the courage to notice it and act). Yet, Liberal MPs have no issues visiting Isreal. Why so, Dobbin?

Because in the new Liberal ideology (which looks, smells and quacks every single bit like its Conservative counterpart), one kind of agression is better than another? Because its ideologically closer to what the new Liberals are?

At least in the West Bank, there is a lot more freedom to move around without the same handling you get in Gaza.

If Liberals tried to negotiate the "freedom of movement", I would believe you, as it stands thought, it's nothing more than a lame excuse to cover your obvious reluctance to act caused by clear ideological biases. BTW how much "freedom of movement" MPs have to go to the settlement cites on their all too common visits to Israel, official and otherwise?

Some MPs are obviously less concerned about being used as propaganda tools for organizations universally regarded as terrorists.

But they don't appear at all "concerned" that their ever friendly visits to Israel would be used as "propaganda tool" to excuse and justify continuing, ongoing and massive expansion of illegal settlemetns, from Day 1? Why such a difference of attitudes to acts that are both obvious and clear examples of agression? Because, in the new Liberal ideology, would one kind of agression be better, because it's perpetrated by the friendly side?

That question has been following you for a long time in this discussion, and you have yet to present a rational answer to it.

However, in your mind they aren't.

High five, you did it again! (reading other individual's mind). Just demo it to a bunch of scientists, and you may yet get a Nobel. With which you could hire a bunch of writers and lawyers who would attempt something that's still eluding you, i.e. the proof that stinky deed committed by your buddy actually smells like poisies and rosies and should be cheered and praised (rather than condemned and acted upon, as per your own oldtime talk).

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