Guthrie Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 That's why all the Palestinians are dead now.... oh... wait, nevermind, there goes that theory. By the way, there were no "Palestinians" in 1948. yes there were Palestinians in 1948 and a significant number of them were murdered or forced into exile -- Palestine had been occupied since before WWI --- doesn't mean it didn't exist, anymore than calling it part of Russia meant Georgia didn't exist -- but it's a neat con-artist trick being attempted on an international scale --- suppose we declare there's no such thing as Canada and therefore the US can push all those squatters and terrorists in our northern territories up farther north where they can be taken in by their own people --- I guess the Canadians would fight to keep their land, no matter who said there was no Canada - who, in their right mind, would blame them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Palistinians are Shemites - decended from Noah's son Shem -------------The Israelis are also decended from Shem....I wish that both of these long lost cousins would simply forget about the past for God's sake...but - I guess everyone has forgotten about being good and adhering to devine law ---seems we are now dealing with waring secularists hiding under the cloak of relgion and tradition - Christ said to the semites - "Your traditions are killing you" He was very visionary - too bad no one listend to the old deposed and disposed of Kind of Judea....The region needs a king - but they just keep killing them on arrival...what a mess - To destroy the father of your own family - then fight for 2000 years - like badly behaved orphans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remiel Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 I have to wonder why anyone thinks it is relevant whether Palestinians only came into existence as a distinct group sometime in the 20th Century. Do they think that the mythical Abraham would have said to himself, " Well, I made this pact with God only yesterday, so I guess me and my line do not really count as the Chosen People and inhabitants of Israel because we have not been around for a hundreds of years yet. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 I have to wonder why anyone thinks it is relevant whether Palestinians only came into existence as a distinct group sometime in the 20th Century. Do they think that the mythical Abraham would have said to himself, " Well, I made this pact with God only yesterday, so I guess me and my line do not really count as the Chosen People and inhabitants of Israel because we have not been around for a hundreds of years yet. " The JBG family is a distinct group. I want my state, and for the U.N. to pay for it. Sound fair? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drea Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 It sure doesn't seem fair JBG... so why do the Israelies warrant a "special" place? Paid for by the west btw...? Huh? Huh? LOL Arrogant jews LOL LOL LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 It sure doesn't seem fair JBG... so why do the Israelies warrant a "special" place? Paid for by the west btw...? Huh? Huh? LOL Arrogant jews LOL LOL LOL With a GDP of 200 billion dollars and a 6-7% GDP growth rate, Israel 'paid' for itself a long time ago. Oh, and your computer's chips and circut boards were all probably designed and made by Israelis...enjoy. Arrogant and ignorant, Drea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drea Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 a big stick makes for big morals right Dog? If you have the biggest stick in the neighbourhood is that "licence" for you to beat on those with small sticks? If you have a gun and your neighbours don't, does that give you "licence" to shoot them? If you are poor and your neighbour is rich, does that make it ok for him to steal your property because you can't fight back? Hmmmmm? The Israelis are just like anyone else, they do not deserve a "special" place set aside for them only. They are simple humans just like the rest of us and should learn to share, the selfish buggers! In this day and age of enlightenment and humanity... how can their still be some folks that would like to see an entire people be erradicated, one house, one tiny bit of land at a time? Have they not "moved on" from those ancient arguments about whose god is right? Shame on Israel supporters for not stopping (and actually advocating) the genocide of the Palestinians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dub Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 israel would flop without the political and economic support from the U.S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drea Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 When they keep pulling this crap!http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8089535.stm .....Gaza is nothing but an area full of terrorist's they get what they bring on themselves! Yah! Bulldozing your house is NOT a bad thing! Let me come onto your land and take it... then see if you want to retaliate, or if you will just peacefully go away... I'll make damn sure you have no food, no shelter and no weapons but the rocks on the little patch of ground I leave for you. One square cm per person ought to be plenty dontcha think? *the blindess of some folks is utterly astounding" Oh... and where do you live? I need to know if your land is suitable for my takeover ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 It sure doesn't seem fair JBG...Excactly. JBG is a nation as much as the Palestinians are a nation.so why do the Israelies warrant a "special" place? Paid for by the west btw...? Huh? Huh? LOLBecause they are a distinct nationality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 The Israelis are just like anyone else, they do not deserve a "special" place set aside for them only. They are simple humans just like the rest of us and should learn to share, the selfish buggers!Tell me how well non-Muslims fare in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Yemen, Egypt, Libya, Afghanistan, Syria, Sudan, Malaysia, Indonesia (even the latter two aren't so great), and the like. And contrast that to how Israeli citizen Muslims do.Now who shares, and who doesn't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dub Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Tell me how well non-Muslims fare in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Yemen, Egypt, Libya, Afghanistan, Syria, Sudan, Malaysia, Indonesia (even the latter two aren't so great), and the like. And contrast that to how Israeli citizen Muslims do.Now who shares, and who doesn't? are you seriously comparing israel to those countries (even though iran has the second highest jewish population in the middle east)? saying that because they do it, it's okay for israel to do it as well? why not compare israel to the western countries like US and canada who don't put a restriction based on religion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 israel would flop without the political and economic support from the U.S. So would Canada....so what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dub Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 So would Canada....so what. since when did US start giving canada $3billion of your tax money every year? sometimes you get really silly with your comparisons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 (edited) You guys do realize that 3 billion is basically nothing on the scale of the US economy, and barely anything on the scale of Israel's economy, right? are you seriously comparing israel to those countries (even though iran has the second highest jewish population in the middle east)? saying that because they do it, it's okay for israel to do it as well? Notice how jbg uses the word "contrast". That means that his point is that they do things differently than those countries, not that it's ok to do things like those countries do. Basic English. Let me come onto your land and take it... then see if you want to retaliate, or if you will just peacefully go away... I'll make damn sure you have no food, no shelter and no weapons but the rocks on the little patch of ground I leave for you. One square cm per person ought to be plenty dontcha think?*the blindess of some folks is utterly astounding" The Palestinians have plenty of food, much of it provided by Israel, at the expense of Israelis. Fuel is shipped into Gaza from Israel, at the expense of Israelis. Medical services are provided to Palestinians in hospitals in Israel, at the expense of Israeli taxpayers. Israel pulled out of land it had previously controlled (Gaza), rather than taking land. The population density of the West Bank and Gaza is lower than the population density of Israel. Israel is content to stay within its existing borders and recognizes the surrounding Arab states, while the Arabs (which already control an area of land roughly 100x larger than Israel) continue not to recognize Israel and still have as their ultimate goal Israel's destruction. Most of the Arab states adjacent to Israel thinks they should get a piece of Israel and has that as a "precondition" for peace: Lebanon wants the Sheba farms, Syria wants the Golan heights, etc. Who is trying to get who's land? Every single one of your points is utterly wrong and backwards. Who is blind again? Open your eyes. Edited June 15, 2009 by Bonam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 since when did US start giving canada $3billion of your tax money every year? Oh, I'm sure I can find a lot more than $3 billion between US defense spending, joint defense pacts, satellite services, communications, etc., etc. Hell, just being on the US border is worth a lot more than $3 billion based on the trade imbalance and access to American markets. sometimes you get really silly with your comparisons. And sometimes they bite where it hurts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 You guys do realize that 3 billion is basically nothing on the scale of the US economy, and barely anything on the scale of Israel's economy, right? Three billion seems alot to Hamas supporters as it buys a lot of AK-47s and Iranian rockets. The Palestinians have plenty of food, much of it provided by Israel, at the expense of Israelis. Fuel is shipped into Gaza from Israel, at the expense of Israelis. Medical services are provided to Palestinians in hospitals in Israel, at the expense of Israeli taxpayers. Israel pulled out of land it had previously controlled (Gaza), rather than taking land. The population density of the West Bank and Gaza is lower than the population density of Israel. Israel is content to stay within its existing borders and recognizes the surrounding Arab states, while the Arabs (which already control an area of land roughly 100x larger than Israel) continue not to recognize Israel and still have as their ultimate goal Israel's destruction. Most of the Arab states adjacent to Israel thinks they should get a piece of Israel and has that as a "precondition" for peace: Lebanon wants the Sheba farms, Syria wants the Golan heights, etc. Who is trying to get who's land? Every single one of your points is utterly wrong and backwards. Who is blind again? Open your eyes. Well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 When they keep pulling this crap!http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8089535.stm .....Gaza is nothing but an area full of terrorist's they get what they bring on themselves! Based on the language of your post, I'm pretty sure you would do worst than what were doing the Palestinians here if you were in their shoes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remiel Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 The JBG family is a distinct group. I want my state, and for the U.N. to pay for it.Sound fair? No, jbg, you are not a nation. Stop being so facetious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 No, jbg, you are not a nation. Stop being so facetious. Indeed! A state should be given only to nations (not simply to families or groups) and only at certain conditions (see Michael Walzer for the underpinnings). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Walzer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrustyKidd Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 israel would flop without the political and economic support from the U.S. Another classical left wing fallacy. This is reminiscent to the argument where you tried to say that Israel immediately rejected Partition and had to be shown the errors of your bigotry. Now for this revisionism based on hatred, please show us how three billion being withheld from Israel will have any disastrous effect on it's fifty billion per year economy when all they have to do is lower support fore Palestinians, scale back on defense and make the shortfall up by building a wall as well as charge the US more for use of it's port facilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dub Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 You guys do realize that 3 billion is basically nothing on the scale of the US economy, and barely anything on the scale of Israel's economy, right? israeli citizens receive more of the US tax money than american citizens do. that's kind of weird, no? Notice how jbg uses the word "contrast". That means that his point is that they do things differently than those countries, not that it's ok to do things like those countries do. Basic English. i guess it's yours and jbg's decision to set the bar low by comparing the treatment of other religious and ethnic groups to the countries listed. perhaps people will forget how muslims are treated in western countries. maybe they'll forget that they're treated as equals, unlike in israel. The Palestinians have plenty of food, much of it provided by Israel, at the expense of Israelis. Fuel is shipped into Gaza from Israel, at the expense of Israelis. Medical services are provided to Palestinians in hospitals in Israel, at the expense of Israeli taxpayers. what the heck are you going on about? not sure where you get your information, but that's wrong. israel ranks extremely low in aid to the palestinians. not to mention all the destruction they continue to create. just look at what they did in gaza recently. not to mention paralyzing the economy by their many actions. Israel pulled out of land it had previously controlled (Gaza), rather than taking land. wrong again, mr. wrong man. they increased the settlements in the west bank even faster. where do you think the extremist gaza settlers went after they were taken out of gaza? The population density of the West Bank and Gaza is lower than the population density of Israel. wtf? lol. palestinian population density = 645 persons/km2 israeli population density = 324/km2 do you have any shame? Israel is content to stay within its existing borders and recognizes the surrounding Arab states lol. did you miss the one about the increasing settlements and the internationally recognized annexation of palestinian land? who is this clown? while the Arabs (which already control an area of land roughly 100x larger than Israel) continue not to recognize Israel and still have as their ultimate goal Israel's destruction. Most of the Arab states adjacent to Israel thinks they should get a piece of Israel and has that as a "precondition" for peace: Lebanon wants the Sheba farms, Syria wants the Golan heights, etc. Who is trying to get who's land? Every single one of your points is utterly wrong and backwards. Who is blind again? Open your eyes. you're just a big fuckup. how is it that you were able to post so much misinformation in one post? wow. you've made DoP and dancer look good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dub Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Another classical left wing fallacy. This is reminiscent to the argument where you tried to say that Israel immediately rejected Partition you lie as well krusty. i never said "Israel immediately rejected Partition". either show this comment i made or STFU. i said israel rejected the partition because they rejected the border outlined that is the truthand had to be shown the errors of your bigotry. Now for this revisionism based on hatred, please show us how three billion being withheld from Israel will have any disastrous effect on it's fifty billion per year economy when all they have to do is lower support fore Palestinians, scale back on defense and make the shortfall up by building a wall as well as charge the US more for use of it's port facilities. $3 billion comes in military aid. many of the weapons used by israel is made in the US. i also mentioned the political support that israel receives from the AIPAC friendly US government. not to mention fighting israel's wars, like the iraq war. without US' mothering of israel, israel would flop. US is israel's viagra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Now for this revisionism based on hatred, please show us how three billion being withheld from Israel will have any disastrous effect on it's fifty billion per year economy when all they have to do is lower support fore Palestinians, scale back on defense and make the shortfall up by building a wall as well as charge the US more for use of it's port facilities. To me, the real terrorists are those who say that billions in armament are nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Israel gets some weapons from the US. Not most. As well, the vast majority of these weapons/equipment have no bearing on the Palestinian situation. Rather, the gear is meant to counter Syria and Iran...and does. As I'm sure even the Israel haters here can recall, the place is one of the planet's largest weapons manufacturers. Uzi, Grail, Merkava, Kfir, etc. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_equipment_of_Israel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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