Remiel Posted June 16, 2009 Report Posted June 16, 2009 What the hell is your field, Jerry? Anyway... Reading through her explanation, one thing seemed rather odd: Her arguments are the premises of why she may no longer want to be a Democrat. They have little if anything to do with why she should no longer want to be a liberal. Either there is a lot she is not saying, without which her article is worse than useless, or she had never really thought about her beliefs at all anyway, and thus any claim to authority on them is tenuous at best. Quote
benny Posted June 16, 2009 Report Posted June 16, 2009 I used to be a hard core left wing socialist. All through high school and university.Alot of it was probably because of how sympathetically the left perspective is taught in schools. I see so many college students today who are exactly the same as I was. The typical lefty is idealistic in his need to feel good about believing in helping people, and equaling the playing field, not realizing that there are things in this world such as accountability, consequence, risk and reward, or that not all problems are solved by throwing more government (ie taxpayer) money at them. But August 1991 is right: the left is childlike in it's realizations about reality and how the world works. Since many leftwingers expect aot more from government, many are basically grown up childeren who haven't figured out how to accept taking care of their own adult resposibilities (eg. health care, savings, pension) in my opinion. The old saying "if you aren't a left winger when you're young you have no heart, if you're not a conservative when you grow up, you have no brain" is so true. My converstion began in university as I started to look around at the left wing mentality and started to think outside of what the media and the socialist schooling were feeding me. I began rejecting some of the fodder being fed by professors, to question the "accepted wisdom" that all right wingers are evil-doers with no heart. I also started to realize that iff I wwanteed something in life, I had a choice of two roads: join the private sector, work extremely hard and achieve what I wanted to without asking for or expecting any help from anyone. OR, join the whiney masses and start demading that someone else do more for me. I chose the former, in other worlds, I grew up. Then as I entered the working world I started to read more beelieefs from the other side, and listen to talk radio - one of the best mediums for right wing thinking. Why is it so good? because I believe ideas that are well though out often don't do well in soundbites. Obama can give horrendously good speeched about saving the planet and pushing back the waters (literally - he did that, remember? "let it be remembered that this was the moment when the oceans stopped rising" hahahaha)....but day to day on the ground issues and discussions about the ridiculousness of the Canadian Human Rights Commission censoring speech, or the fact that extreme multi-culti tolerance has led to reverse racism and the abuse of jewish school teachers in some Toronto schools dominated by Islamic students, is better discussed and understood on a radio format rather than an "I'm here to save the world" speech. There cannot be a leftist school program for a leftist movement who wants to abolish school. Quote
JerrySeinfeld Posted June 16, 2009 Report Posted June 16, 2009 (edited) What the hell is your field, Jerry? Not relevant to the discussion - but business since you asked. Will not get more specific. Anyway... Reading through her explanation, one thing seemed rather odd: Her arguments are the premises of why she may no longer want to be a Democrat. They have little if anything to do with why she should no longer want to be a liberal. I disagree. Realizing that the idealism of the left is unrealistic, sanctimonious and egotistical is the first step. Not to mention self righteous. Think about it. It's a perfect refuge for people who either didn't have the ability or drive to achieve anything substantial in their own life. They can hide in academia or in the back of some coffee shop, or marching down the street in Montreal in -20C weather with a "it's too hot in here" sign and, solely throuhg the selection of an ideology, be a betteer person than an "evil" business person who does nothing but work hard, support a family, contribute meaningfully to the community and employ dozens, or even hundreds, of people. Edited June 16, 2009 by JerrySeinfeld Quote
benny Posted June 16, 2009 Report Posted June 16, 2009 (edited) I disagree. Realizing that the idealism of the left is unrealistic, sanctimonious and egotistical is the first step.Not to mention self righteous. Think about it. It's a perfect refuge for people who either didn't have the ability or drive to achieve anything substantial in their own life. They can hide in academia or in the back of some coffee shop, or marching down the street in Montreal in -20C weather with a "it's too hot in here" sign and, solely throuhg the selection of an ideology, be a betteer person than an "evil" business person who does nothing but work hard, support a family, contribute meaningfully to the community and employ dozens, or even hundreds, of people. The Left is rather busy saving nature with its productivity from the Right's greedy exploitation. Edited June 16, 2009 by benny Quote
Remiel Posted June 16, 2009 Report Posted June 16, 2009 It's a perfect refuge for people who either didn't have the ability or drive to achieve anything substantial in their own life. They can hide in academia or in the back of some coffee shop, or marching down the street in Montreal in -20C weather with a "it's too hot in here" sign and, solely throuhg the selection of an ideology, be a betteer person than an "evil" business person who does nothing but work hard, support a family, contribute meaningfully to the community and employ dozens, or even hundreds, of people. This is meaningless. With a few substitutions, I could make an equal untrue generalization (though this is closer to an outright fiction) about the right. Quote
benny Posted June 16, 2009 Report Posted June 16, 2009 This is meaningless. With a few substitutions, I could make an equal untrue generalization (though this is closer to an outright fiction) about the right. Like always, the actor is running instead of replying! The Right is only terrorizing itself! Quote
JerrySeinfeld Posted June 16, 2009 Report Posted June 16, 2009 This is meaningless. With a few substitutions, I could make an equal untrue generalization (though this is closer to an outright fiction) about the right. That's bullshit. All I want from my government is to be left alone. Quote
benny Posted June 16, 2009 Report Posted June 16, 2009 That's bullshit. All I want from my government is to be left alone. The Left is anarchist too! Quote
JerrySeinfeld Posted June 16, 2009 Report Posted June 16, 2009 (edited) The Left is anarchist too! Great then we agree. Lower taxes and less government. Edited June 16, 2009 by JerrySeinfeld Quote
benny Posted June 16, 2009 Report Posted June 16, 2009 Great then we agree. Lower taxes and less government. Not anarcho-capitalist, just anarchist. Quote
JerrySeinfeld Posted June 18, 2009 Report Posted June 18, 2009 Not anarcho-capitalist, just anarchist. Left wing isn't anarchist. Anarchist is it's own category. It believes in no government at all. Quote
benny Posted June 18, 2009 Report Posted June 18, 2009 Left wing isn't anarchist. Anarchist is it's own category. It believes in no government at all. Left is about class warfare by all means including anarchy of course; Right is about replacing the class by the race, thereby naturalizing social conflicts. Quote
JerrySeinfeld Posted June 18, 2009 Report Posted June 18, 2009 Left is about class warfare by all means including anarchy of course; Right is about replacing the class by the race, thereby naturalizing social conflicts. What in heaven's name are you talking about? Quote
benny Posted June 18, 2009 Report Posted June 18, 2009 What in heaven's name are you talking about? Left and Right. Quote
JerrySeinfeld Posted June 18, 2009 Report Posted June 18, 2009 (edited) Left and Right. Left is cradle to grave nanny state mutli-culti moral relativism (there is no right and wrong, only "different:). Right is freedom from government, acceptance of adult responsibility and the knowledge of absolute right and wrong (for example beating your wife is wrong, not just "culturally different"). Left is "good times", childish and "feels good right now". Right is happy, realistic, grown up and rewarding long term. Edited June 18, 2009 by JerrySeinfeld Quote
benny Posted June 18, 2009 Report Posted June 18, 2009 Left is cradle to grave nanny state mutli-culti moral relativism About multiculturalism, just look at W. Bush, it is the Right who endeavors to weaken workers unions through (illegal) immigration. Quote
JerrySeinfeld Posted June 18, 2009 Report Posted June 18, 2009 About multiculturalism, just look at W. Bush, it is the Right who endeavors to weaken workers unions through (illegal) immigration. Could you provide me with a quote from Bush supporting your claim? As well, Bush is not a multicultualist at all, in the definition of the word. Quote
benny Posted June 18, 2009 Report Posted June 18, 2009 Could you provide me with a quote from Bush supporting your claim?As well, Bush is not a multicultualist at all, in the definition of the word. "comprehensive immigration reform" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehensive...orm_Act_of_2007 Quote
JerrySeinfeld Posted June 18, 2009 Report Posted June 18, 2009 (edited) "comprehensive immigration reform"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehensive...orm_Act_of_2007 a compromise between providing a responsible path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants and increased border enforcement: it included funding for 300 miles (480 km) of vehicle barriers, 105 camera and radar towers, and 20,000 more Border Patrol agents, while simultaneously restructuring visa criteria around high skill workers sounds reasonable to me. personally I would have tried to export 'em all. But I think Bush saw this as unrealistic and has always had a soft spot in his heart for not separating mexican families, who supported him in Texas gubernatorial races and also are a fairly religious lot just like him. So this was a realistic compromise. As for left wing multi-culti, I suppose giving policemen handbooks instructing them not to arrest muslim wife-beaters out of "cultural sensitivity" (Australia), could be considered "progressive" ...if you're completely indoctrinated by the left that is. Edited June 18, 2009 by JerrySeinfeld Quote
benny Posted June 18, 2009 Report Posted June 18, 2009 As for left wing multi-culti, I suppose giving policemen handbooks instructing them not to arrest muslim wife-beaters out of "cultural sensitivity" (Australia), could be considered "progressive" ...if you're completely indoctrinated by the left that is. Just look "America's most wanted" if you want to know more about how easy it is for Latino killers to escape conservatives laws. http://www.amw.com/ Quote
JerrySeinfeld Posted June 18, 2009 Report Posted June 18, 2009 Just look "America's most wanted" if you want to know more about how easy it is for Latino killers to escape conservatives laws.http://www.amw.com/ Please cite where in the police handbook they are instructed to permanently release mom killers based upon them being latino? Quote
benny Posted June 18, 2009 Report Posted June 18, 2009 Please cite where in the police handbook they are instructed to permanently release mom killers based upon them being latino? If someone has a driver's license, don't bother asking for his/her citizenship status. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted June 18, 2009 Report Posted June 18, 2009 If someone has a driver's license, don't bother asking for his/her citizenship status. International drivers licences make you a citizen of the world -- are you a member of Larazza...do you have pic of Trotsky in your house? Just figure out that this young promoter who loves to dope it up is the spawn of a liberal - His mother does documentarys - here last one as the kid put it was "crossing with the mexicans into Texas ---- the dope kid has no father and it looks like he does not understand what terf or home or private property is - that everyone is welcome....eventually prosperity declines - with liberalization ----benny - is it so bad to protect what is yours? Does it make me a bad person to shooo away parasitic lazy non-talented people who want to feed off my kids? Hugh - benny - I feel so guilty for being a tribal leader - does that make me a terrorist ? And benny --- so when you having this modern quiet and bloodless revolution? Don't bother telling me ---- time for me to step out and go home - time for a nap...from one home to another - as Jesus said " my house ( the royal house) has many mansions......up to three homes...and I am poor - Jesus was a very bright fellow and a grand revolutionary...over and out benny - love to you and the family.. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted June 18, 2009 Report Posted June 18, 2009 You could deprogram a liberal in one year by putting them in protective custody at Kingston in the gay wing...within one year they will be demanding human rights for straights. Quote
benny Posted June 18, 2009 Report Posted June 18, 2009 You could deprogram a liberal in one year by putting them in protective custody at Kingston in the gay wing...within one year they will be demanding human rights for straights. More stupidities from Oleg! Quote
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