Topaz Posted February 27, 2009 Report Posted February 27, 2009 After 16 years of being on air, the A-channel, own by CTV media, is shuting down Windsor's only TV station and Wingham, both in Ontario. Wingham will still have some news reported through London. CTV Media says the problem is advestising which usually pays to run the stations are not working and so they went to the CRTC and asked for a "carriage fee" to cable companies to help keep these on air. It was turned down and so two stations are gone and more to follow. Since I didn't know that much about the CRTC and did some research and found that the minister of Heritage (james moore) and the industry minister have alot of control over the decides made. So IF this is true, and Windosr id NDP country, is it surprising after all? Quote
M.Dancer Posted February 27, 2009 Report Posted February 27, 2009 (edited) The decision is CTV's to make. They bought the A channel from CHUM _City and their layoff started almost immediately. Quite a few people, junior and senior technical and producers were let go from MUch Music, More Much Music, etc etc... As well the Cable companies were not interested in adding a surcharge which would be passed to the subscribers. I know I'm not and if we lost Achannel Barrie, I wouldn't lose a second of sleep over a channel I get and don't watch...which is why Achannel can't get advertisers....poor ratings. Edited February 27, 2009 by Charles Anthony deleted entirely re-quoted Opening Post Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Topaz Posted February 27, 2009 Author Report Posted February 27, 2009 The community says its going to fight it cause after all, Windsor needs TV coverage with all the negative news with the auto sector. Sure they have their radio stations , al least for now, but you know its not the same as TV news. I bet this Fed. gov't will allow more US channels in and soon we won't be able to find Canadian news. Quote
M.Dancer Posted February 27, 2009 Report Posted February 27, 2009 The community says its going to fight it cause after all, Windsor needs TV coverage with all the negative news with the auto sector. Sure they have their radio stations , al least for now, but you know its not the same as TV news. They also have a CBC local and a Radio Canada outlet I bet this Fed. gov't will allow more US channels in and soon we won't be able to find Canadian news. I think you don't know what you are talking about. Windsor if you remember is minutes south of Detroit....they get already seven Detroit station free of charge and there is nothing the NDP can do about it. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
guyser Posted February 27, 2009 Report Posted February 27, 2009 . I know I'm not and if we lost Achannel Barrie, I wouldn't lose a second of sleep over a channel I get and don't watch...which is why Achannel can't get advertisers....poor ratings. I have watched A channel in all its markets, and frankly I have no idea how they survived, perhaps the exception is AC Vancouver. But I do like the morning news and weather from Barrie, but only for the cottage forecasts. And , something I can get on the net anyway. That doofus KC Colby needs to find a new job though. Quote
Topaz Posted March 2, 2009 Author Report Posted March 2, 2009 What is also hurting the media, on TV , radio and newspapers is the INTERNET. More people are reading news online and so less buying of papers and less advertising going on. I can see that governments will some how start to put charges on the net to help these industries and when they do, the next election, they will be gone! Quote
M.Dancer Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 What is also hurting the media, on TV , radio and newspapers is the INTERNET. More people are reading news online and so less buying of papers and less advertising going on. Ummmm...no. All the major traffic sites are owned by traditional media outlets so that advertising on those sites are still going into the same pockets. A media buy on globeandmail.com will set you back 50K for a small banner to give you 1,000,000 impressions....they sell out that category quite quickly. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
guyser Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 . A media buy on globeandmail.com will set you back 50K for a small banner to give you 1,000,000 impressions....they sell out that category quite quickly. Ouch ! Any idea what a full page ad (print) would cost to go in the G&M? Quote
M.Dancer Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 Ouch !Any idea what a full page ad (print) would cost to go in the G&M? Depends on the section and whether you have a contract to run the year. But the negotiations start at $66,000 black and white for Front news and Report on Business, $41,000 for Travel, $32,000 for everything else. A full page appointment notice will set you back......$133,200.00 Colour is $9885.. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
guyser Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 A full page appointment notice will set you back......$133,200.00 Weel so much for that thought. Thanks Dancer Quote
Wild Bill Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 (edited) I have two daughters, 18 and 12 years of age. Neither EVER listens to the radio! Neither do any of their friends, apparently. Lots of IPod stuff and YouTube or whatever but zip all for traditional radio. This has to have an impact as they move up in age to an advertiser's demographic. I find I listen to very little myself anymore. Some news and talk but rarely for music. Part of that is the convenience of my own library of vinyl and CDs. The main reason however is that for my tastes I NEED my library 'cuz commercial radio doesn't cater to my tastes! I'm 56 years old, square in the middle of the "classic rock" demographic. Yet I rarely hear much of what I listened to when I was young. Classic rock today would appear to mean "Classic AM Rock!" When I was in my teens and early 20's I never listened to AM radio for music. Neither did anyone in my peer group. It was all FM radio, with lots of album cuts and next to nothing of what would be called a "Top 40" hit. It was Mendelson Mainline, Moody Blues, Captain Beefheart, Fairport Convention, Perth County Conspiracy, Crowbar (but NEVER 'Oh, What a Feeling!", Pat Travers, Dominic Troiano, with the occasional break for FireSign Theatre or Cheech and Chong. So where does that leave today's radio? No kids and no old farts. That leaves folks in elevators and those getting a haircut, I guess. Not as many listeners today HAVE hair to cut! The 'suits' took over, not allowing DJs to pick their own material in favour of buying playlists of songs that came with "numbers" indicating their supposed appeal to any particular demographic. Well, they got what they wanted. Now they're whining about their future. Reap the whirlwind, all you plastic people! I'm off to put a Buffalo Springfield LP on my tube audio phonograph system. Edited March 3, 2009 by Wild Bill Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
fellowtraveller Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 I'm off to put a Buffalo Springfield LP on my tube audio phonograph system. Is that the kerosene model or steam powered model? Quote The government should do something.
Wild Bill Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 Is that the kerosene model or steam powered model? Actually, it runs on granola! While we're on the subject, I've often wondered if the reason we hear so little "hippy" music from the late 60's and early 70's is not because the 'suits' have no number data from that era (FM DJs were too stoned to keep stats, I guess) but perhaps there's a CONSPIRACY against psychedelia! Somewhere the ghosts of Richard Nixon's cabinet are still pulling the strings... Seriously, we hear lots of music OLDER than that era and lots of newer material. Isn't it a bit strange that there's a decade missing? The music of an entire generation is rarely if ever played. "Coincidence? I think not!" Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
M.Dancer Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 It was Mendelson Mainline, Moody Blues, Captain Beefheart, Fairport Convention, Perth County Conspiracy, Crowbar (but NEVER 'Oh, What a Feeling!", Pat Travers, Dominic Troiano, with the occasional break for FireSign Theatre or Cheech and Chong. The ones I have heard of in bold. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 ....So where does that leave today's radio? No kids and no old farts. That leaves folks in elevators and those getting a haircut, I guess. Not as many listeners today HAVE hair to cut!The 'suits' took over, not allowing DJs to pick their own material in favour of buying playlists of songs that came with "numbers" indicating their supposed appeal to any particular demographic. Well, they got what they wanted. Now they're whining about their future. Reap the whirlwind, all you plastic people! I'm off to put a Buffalo Springfield LP on my tube audio phonograph system. Have to agree 100%....what we used to know as Top 40 programming on AM has come to replace many alternatives.....it's so bad they actually call it "alternative music". In the US it's the likes of Clear Channel buying many radio outlets in major markets only to ruin how they got that way. Automated playlists are so predictable, that the commercials are actually welcomed instead. Save your vinyl and the means to play it. I still have a reel-to-reel recording of an FM broadcast of Arlo Guthrie's "Alices Restaurant Massacree" from over 40 years ago, and it has more "life" than the plastic crap heard today. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
M.Dancer Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 Save your vinyl and the means to play it. I still have a reel-to-reel recording of an FM broadcast of Arlo Guthrie's "Alices Restaurant Massacree" from over 40 years ago, and it has more "life" than the plastic crap heard today. I have the first edition book in pristine condition...there was something special about it ...can't remember what...the illustrator....or the publishing house... I did a search on it and found it being sold for over $100...which is okay..I paid a nickle...or was it a pickle? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Wild Bill Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 I have the first edition book in pristine condition...there was something special about it ...can't remember what...the illustrator....or the publishing house...I did a search on it and found it being sold for over $100...which is okay..I paid a nickle...or was it a pickle? Perhaps you paid with a ride on your motor-sickle? Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
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