maplesyrup Posted March 30, 2004 Report Posted March 30, 2004 Politically I think Martin has really blown it. Who the heck is advising our current Prime Minister anyways? They must be an obsequious group. Do they have a death wish? Chrétien defends sponsorship program Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France
Michael Hardner Posted March 30, 2004 Report Posted March 30, 2004 Politically I think Martin has really blown it.Who the heck is advising our current Prime Minister anyways? They must be an obsequious group. Do they have a death wish? I don't know, MS, what would you advise ? The only other option would have been to sweep the whole business under the carpet. I think that PM PM knows that there's a public perception of him doing things differently than his predecessor. Given that these things did happen, he took the path of relative openness which is a better long-term strategy. He has a few months to get the poll figures back over 40 %. As the months float by, the scandal will find its scapegoats and the public will get more comfortable with PM PM. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
maplesyrup Posted March 30, 2004 Author Report Posted March 30, 2004 Problem is that Martin has no mandate. The media has turned sponsorship scandal into a circus. I think Martin is going to take a hit because he is front and centre dealing with sponsorship scandal. Concerning political strategy I agee with Chretien. Maybe this new PC Party will save Martin s butt by splitting the Conservative vote. If I were Martin I would help them get off the ground. Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France
Dennis Posted March 30, 2004 Report Posted March 30, 2004 Maybe this new PC Party will save Martin s butt by splitting the Conservative vote.Again with the silliness from maplesyrup, who's intent seems more to simply agitate conservatives than it is to engage in meaningful discussion. (I believe some people refer to it as trolling?) What the Conservatives have to do with Martin's handling of scandal is an interesting question indeed. And what this "PC Party" has to do with it, as insignificant as it is right now, is even more interesting. (Yes, they do call it trolling, don't they?)As for Martin, which is the actual topic at hand, he did place himself in a difficult situation. My thought has been that maybe he could have finessed the situation much better than he did. What he did was try to completely seperate himself from the previous regime, which he was a part of anyway, instead of focus on the positives of that time in office while also emphasizing the things he would do differently. He also could have tried to minimize the impact of scandal, instead of legitimizing it as a scandal. Perhaps a good politician could have shown concern while trying to put it in perspective. With Chretien and Martin you have polar opposites. Chretien was a shoulder shrugger, while Martin is one to yell, "Fire...Fire...Fire..Fire..." Quote
August1991 Posted March 31, 2004 Report Posted March 31, 2004 The only other option would have been to sweep the whole business under the carpet. That is precisely what Martin should have done and could have done. (It was done with the much larger HRDC scandal.) Imagine. Audit, yadda yadda, accounting changes, yadda yadda, national unity, yadda yadda, Canada is great, yadda yadda - and then: We are going to make Canada truly GREAT. Fireworks, Election, Majority. Martin didn't get it. He bungled. Why? (And you know what? You can't put the toothpaste back into the toothpaste tube. At most you can hope people will forget why the bathroom floor is sticky.) Quote
maplesyrup Posted March 31, 2004 Author Report Posted March 31, 2004 I'm getting the impression the only people who care about the sponsorship scandal anymore are the Conservatives. It seems like the rest of the country is getting scandal fatigue. Maybe people are just looking forward to summertime, oh I forgot, I should have said springtime, everyone doesn't live in BC. Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France
Michael Hardner Posted March 31, 2004 Report Posted March 31, 2004 Martin didn't get it. He bungled. Why? Auguste: (Sorry, but it sounds more like a first name.) I'm not so cynical yet as to discount the idea that he may have felt that it was WRONG to do so. My optimism also extends to the other two major party leaders, by the way. I think Harper and Layton have both been taking the high road as far as I can see. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
August1991 Posted March 31, 2004 Report Posted March 31, 2004 I'm not so cynical yet as to discount the idea that he may have felt that it was WRONG to do so. Michel Hardnère: The Perfect is the Enemy of the Good. (PS. Never thought of it that way. Augustus, Augustus Caesar, Auguste! I thought rather of my own life in, well, the month and year of August 1991. Do you know what happened then?) Quote
Michael Hardner Posted March 31, 2004 Report Posted March 31, 2004 The Perfect is the Enemy of the Good. But striving for perfection is something we all must do. (PS. Never thought of it that way. Augustus, Augustus Caesar, Auguste! I thought rather of my own life in, well, the month and year of August 1991. Do you know what happened then?) I don't know. Was that the month of your birth ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
maplesyrup Posted March 31, 2004 Author Report Posted March 31, 2004 August 1991....are you talking about the failed Russian Coup? Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France
August1991 Posted April 1, 2004 Report Posted April 1, 2004 But striving for perfection is something we all must do. Perfection is unattainable, and people will always be dissatisfied in some sense. IOW, life is inevitably made up of choices - even Bill Gates has only 24 hours in a day, and a life span of 70 some odd years. (In this, he is no richer than any of us.) ... failed Russian Coup? Correct. Quote
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